Apologies, I thought you were talking about youngsters who are on the verge of first team football not the likes that you mentioned who have had a season or two playing first team to prove their worth.
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Why Boston would want this carnage to roll on to Christmas at least beggars belief. He lost the players after the United game and the last few months have been nothing shy of an absolute disgrace. Which in this horrendous season is saying something. Just how bad it has to get before they act is anyones guess?
Here's to another summer of blown resources in the transfer market from a ridiculous transfer committee who don't give much of any thought into how the players they're buying will fit into the system the manager employs; and a stubborn ***, excessively naive manager who refuses to adapt his system to the talents of the players he's handed.
The whole club is a complete mess from top to bottom. FSG have to take a LONG hard look at themselves for the whole upper management structure of the club regardless of whomever is overseeing the playing side.
Sky Sports is only good for confirming transfers.
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It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest should he stay - But if he does, other areas will be reviewed instead
However, people have been pointing out this was all reported when Kenny was in charge and three days later he was sacked
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Hyperbole at it's finest
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Pray tell how that was exaggerated how exactly?
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I understand the ending to the season was terrible and unacceptable - the players simply stopped playing and the final two games were a shambles. The start of the season was a complete mixed bag, but generally poor (Like others at the top end though)
But in the middle of the season we were the best team in England for 2-3 months form wise... Defensively we considerably improved and talk as recently as March was that we may just be in contention for 2nd place (how things can change in the space of two months)
Transfers have been poor, the strategy is rubbish, the manager can be naive and stubborn but has also shown the required ability on a lot of occasions as well.
At the end of the day we came 6th, when in reality we are on paper a 5th place club... We have only came above 6th place once in five years yet people are saying we are in a complete crisis
A lot can be improved, but it's also not as bad as some are making out
I does seem Liverpool fans are fantastic and some of the best out there when it's going well for the team (look at last season and the support the team got) - But when we don't meet expectations we are very quick to turn and be hypocritical
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So, in latest news:
- Klopp is definitely not coming, according to Bild
- There will be no DoF, according to Chris Bascombe
- Rodgers' position is not threatened yet, according to Bascombe, Pearce and Joyce.
In other words, we're gonna continue with the same transfer committee and the same manager, and hope for a miracle next season. All aboard the **** Train, last stop is Failville.
- Klopp is definitely not coming, according to Bild
- There will be no DoF, according to Chris Bascombe
- Rodgers' position is not threatened yet, according to Bascombe, Pearce and Joyce.
In other words, we're gonna continue with the same transfer committee and the same manager, and hope for a miracle next season. All aboard the **** Train, last stop is Failville.
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When a manager has completely lost the dressing room, there's usually only one outcome.
I have no idea why Boston would want to prolong this or what they're trying to prove.
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I cant help but feel not all of that is true .. I mean, who honestly believes a changes is not needed in some capacity
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If we're being brutally honest it's a been a horrible, shambles of a season from start to finish. And let's not even get started on the absolutely disgraceful European campaign. Which is now three in a row from a manager if you say this season was 2 separate competitions. (1 of which, to the absolute detriment and disgrace of everyone involved, the manager and club didn't even want to be in. Would of been nice to of told the 3 and half thousand who travelled out to Istanbul, many of who didn't even make the game thanks to shocking Turkish organisation; that before hand to save the time and money involved but that's another story.).
Even through the 'run' from the defeat at Utd through to, ironically, the defeat at home to Utd when the season in effect ended; we may of lead the Country form wise but performance wise it was far from as clear cut as that. I can't remember one game, save for the two Chelsea semis we never finished, and the home game against a woeful (at that stage) City team where we went out and dominated. Yes, performances were better. And yes, defensively, in the main thanks to a big turnaround from Mingolet, we tightened up a lot. But you always had that uneasy feeling that it could go back the other way. And such was the fragility among the group, as soon as they had the one big set back against Utd it unravelled at a rapid rate.
The last 2 games of the season weren't isolated. They've been coming from day one when we scarcely deserved to beat Southampton.
The real galling thing, as poor as Liverpool were, this has been yet another real poor Premiership with the top 4 spot crying out to be taken. A real poor Utd side were fair holding the door WIDE open up until the last week or so for someone to jump in and claim it but we'd LONG past given up the ghost to the disgrace of the whole job lot of them.
I personally think you're being real generous to say we aren't in a serious mess.
You could quite easily sit down and gut the entire squad and be left with a handful of players who either deserve or are of (what should be) the requisite quality to be at Liverpool Football Club. Which leads to one of the major problems which nobody really knows the answer to as there's no transparency; exactly who is buying these guys? And even if, for the sake of argument, NONE of the players were BR signings and it was all down to the clown show transfer committee; at the very least he as a coach should be able to mould what he's given into a cohesive unit and utilise the quality's of the players at his disposal to the best of their ability's. Instead we have him continually playing a multitude of players out of position, rendering a good many pretty darn ineffective; whilst changing systems that many times I honestly don't think many of the players know what their respective role is supposed to be. Do you honestly know what, for want a better word, our 'identity' under Rodgers is? Because I sure as **** don't. And that's not even getting started on him taking a massive step backwards from the massive overachievement of last season back to the mediocrity of year one. And in so doing becoming the first three year manger since Shankly walked through the door in '59 to fail to win ANY silverware.
And that's not to excuse the players who most all, with the exception of Coutinho and Mingolet the second half of the year, have been little shy of an absolute disgrace in their attitude. Which was hammered home in glorious technicolour the last two games. Even if they'd stopped buying into BR, and had stopped playing for him (which they so patently had); the very LEAST you should of expected from them the last 2 games was to give EVERYTHING they had for the one man they (laughably) pertain to care about. The one man who's dug them out of the **** on WAY more occasions than any one man ever should in the ultimate team game. The way they 'sent off' the Captain was beyond criminal.
I completely disagree about the sorry state of our club. It's as bad as it's been in a LONG time. On AND off the pitch. Boston need to decide just how committed they truly are to turning this around and make the relevant changes within themselves as much as outside changes.
For without that, as we currently stand, can you honestly see anything more than further decline and at best a Europa League placing next year?
The current state of the club is a massive mess IMHO. We are currently Liverpool Football Club in name only.
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The clubs been in a similar situation for many, many years with only the odd season proving to be different - So no, I don't think the club this season is in any particular mess compared to others
The problem is Liverpool are a mediocre team, who realistically compete for 4th-7th every season but fans still see us as a team challenging on all fronts. Barring any drastic change (which in the modern game is financial) I cant see that changing
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Lack of finances is a convenient excuse to hide other failings at the club. Numerous clubs have done well even if they were competing with a massive disparity in financies as compared to their rivals (See Madrid, Atletico)
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Completely agreed, we should have done better and I'm not blaming all of it on finances ... but to be consistently successful it is an almost direct correlation that strong financial backing is involved
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I wouldn't disagree with that per se. As I alluded to above, we are Liverpool in name only in many respects. Last season's massive over achievement (and ultimate massive disappointment); didn't help in the unrealistic expectation many had going into this year. We have NO divine right to expect to win the League. But, given our history, we SHOULD expect to be challenging at the least. And outside of the top 3, the rest of the league was much of a poor muchness that 4th was openly there for anyones taking. We barely scraped home for the last Europa place the club doesn't even want.
Three years in, and 200 odd million spent (whoever ultimately made the decisions and pulled the trigger), with only a handful if that of success's therein; we're in no better situation than when he took over. And in many respects are currently going backwards. With not a sniff of a trophy in reality which we had the season before his appointment.
That's regression as far as I can see whichever way you cut it.
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There is no doubt what you say is true - The only problem with the money spent is that it always seems to be replacing our best players rather than building, so our net spent is not actually that high. (We still should have done better though)
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Which brings us back to the B/S 5 man transfer committee.
If we'd identify the best quality players to fit what Rodgers or whomever wants to do, and went out and spent the money on quality instead of rationing it around average to good squad players; we would be building something. No question it's a glaring disparity not having the resources Chelsea, City and now Arsenal and United have. But there's also a lot in how you choose to spend what you have.
As critical as I am of BR, until FSG change that then it won't matter who's in charge.
I have no problem, with the ridiculous fees at play in todays game, of an ownership having the final say on what you can and can't afford. But the manager HAS to have the final say on who the targets are. Whether we ultimately get them or not. They have to be HIS players.
Or else you're on a loser before you even begin. Prime example being Mario. I'd argue (and I'm not defending his attitude which has been poor at times this year); that we could of gotten a LOT more out of him if we'd of played him correctly and supported him. But when he so obviously wasn't the managers choice or signing to start with, it was a ridiculous situation for all concerned.
It's fixing to be yet another VERY turbulent summer at Anfield with no real direction.
And I've just about had my fill of that.
wow, scouseinthehouse you literally mentioned every single point i have been saying for the past months, its been a shambles from top to bottom. blaming everything on finances is rubbish and a fukin awful excuse. like one of the posters said identifying players that will work in set system does not result in this sort of 200million hit and miss of awful buys. however lfcmarshall did say a good point we have been midtable for the past couple of seasons and that cannot all be blamed on rodgers, the entire club needs reshaping from top to bottom.