Tbf to Avram, his record at Chelsea was fantastic. (H)
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Tbf to Avram, his record at Chelsea was fantastic. (H)
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that is class
I can't hate Klopp, such a likable guy and down to earth. I actually hope he returns you back to near the top because it will make the league better when United and Liverpool are competing together again. But with the current team, I just can't see anything miraculous happening right now because he needs to put his stamp on the club, which means bringing in his players. Also his way of management and getting the team to play a certain way will be a process that takes time.
The ultimate goal for this season is top 4 but honestly I think 5th should be realistic goal.
The ultimate goal for this season is top 4 but honestly I think 5th should be realistic goal.
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Good to see the guy getting behind the club and all smiles!
Why should are realistic goal be 5th when were capable of getting 4th now.
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Because honestly, you don't have a team worth a top 4 place.
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You are 'worthy' of a top 4 place by performing over a 38 game season. Before Rodgers came to Liverpool, they were a 7-9th placed team playing drab football that barely made it to the Europa League. To put it into perspective he finished 7th in his first season, which was one place above the last. That was fairly reasonable, considering he was a new, young coach at this level and Liverpool had been shocking. The next season, he vastly over performed, finishing 2nd. If not for the **** up with Palace, Liverpool would have won the title. Last season, Liverpool finished in 5th place, which if you look at squad strength and money spent, is about where they should be. Fact is, Brendan left Liverpool better than when he found it and his reign to an extent has been a success. This was Brendan's first venture into a somewhat big club and I'm sure he's learned from a few huge ****-ups, such as pushing out Reina for Mignolet.
It was stupid for FSG to let Brendan spend all of that money on those signings if they were going to sack him so early in the season. If there was a good chance of it happening, he should have been sacked in the off-season. Liverpool's start to the season hasn't been great, however it hasn't been terrible either. Liverpool have a chance at top 4 if Klopp can settle at the club with his style and coaching staff quickly and Chelsea take a while to get their shiz together. Klopp is an exciting coach, however Liverpool aren't going to be winning the premier league day one and FSG must invest time for him in the long term
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That's not a goal, that's just the minimum expectation - Top 4 will be hard but that's the target and it's not unrealistic either
Well with how other teams are looking so far this season I would disagree - Long way to go yet
Isn't that basically what I said? Ultimate goal top 4, realistically 5th.
This team at the moment isn't as good as the top 4 teams so I don't see why with Klopp it is? If he can get you there this season it will be a big over-achievement with this current team you have.
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Realistically 5th, yes... But that's not a target or a goal.
Being a United fan you should know the impact of a manager - I am not for one moment suggesting a Fergie style impact, but you can see on this forum alone the sheer excitement and it's something the squad has been lacking the last 6 months-year
The impact of a manager like Fergie grew over time, when he came in at the start of his reign it was not an immediate impact. It took things to get worse before they eventually started to improve after a few seasons and he was able to put his stamp on the club.
I'm not suggesting that Klopp won't have an impact immediately, but you have to accept that it isn't ideal with the situation of how he comes in at this point because you've just allowed a manager to sign players in the summer and prepare the team to his way all of pre-season. There is going to have to be time allowed for him to completely have his stamp on the club and the players he wants.
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My point was the stature of the man... His reputation coming into the club will make the world of difference alone.
Of course he will need time to put his own stamp on the club, but people are making it out like we have a poor squad. I'd argue we actually have a very good one that was being mis-used towards the end of the Rodgers tenure
The reaction of the players, media and fans is nothing I have ever seen before at Liverpool
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I'll go further. Why should we not be looking at winning it all?
We're currently sat 6 points off the top. Within 2 games of Citeh, Arsenal and Utd. And 2 games clear of the rent boys. Not even a quarter into the season. We won't get into individual players/ areas as we'll only disagree on our own clubs; and there's no question on paper you wouldn't think we have a title winning squad. (On paper, nobody outside of Citeh and Chelsea does for me but again that's subjective so we'll leave that.). And no question we don't have many, if any, genuine World class players currently at the football club. But what we DO now have is a genuine World class manager who most every other fan of the other 4 would of been looking at as a potential/ probable for their next leader. Maybe all as soon as next summer. And that man historically has gotten FAR more out of his teams than the sum of their individual parts. I absolutely loved the line yesterday about bringing better teams down to your level and killing them there. That's belief in his system and then some, and if he gets the players buying in early, this thing could really roll.
Nobody expected Liverpool FC to be anywhere near Istanbul at the start of the 2004/05 season. Yet at the end of it, with arguably our poorest team out of the 5 Liverpool teams that have won the biggest prize in football, we sat as Champions of Europe. The same in 2013/14. Nobody expected anything like a Liverpool title challenge. Yet with three games to go, we sat with the title in our own hands with arguably the 5th/ 6th best squad in the league going into that season and took it to the final day. Yeah, I know, I can hear yers screaming 'Luis Suarez! And you don't have anything like him now!' True enough, but what we DO now have is the equivalent as a manager who has unified everyone and sent everyone into a mad frenzy with 48 hours of being in the job. And that alone is massive. Having the whole fanbase clambering to go see him and his side with genuine excitement and belief. As opposed to dreading going to Anfield under the previous manager and sitting there bored to tears in silence. Anfield starts rocking again and becomes a place teams genuinely fear to go, that's half the battle right there.
I'm not saying Jurgens going to make an instant impact and we're going to steamroll to the league this season before he's even named his first team.
But as we currently stand, we've as good a chance of anyone else with the tidal wave of support and belief now surging through the club. We may not have the World class players other clubs have/ are perceived to have. But we have a pretty good group, particularly attack wise which is full of goals; that has just been very poorly utilised to press this year. And we now have a World class manager that's a great leveller. And looking ahead to possible managerial changes next summer, we're a year ahead with a manager bedded in and a window already under his belt.
Good luck to you all. But write L'pool off at your peril. This is now a genuine 5 horse race again and I'd be as concerned as not about which big club will be the one to miss out on the top 4 spots come the final whistle of this season.
We're back in the race and we relish the challenge.
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Sorry Scouse, you lost me there
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Well, knowing it's as realistic an aim to both of us as the club who the poster I quoted support's, why not?
I don't for one minute think we would this year, but I'm **** sure if they hold that expectation from not that much stronger a squad, if at all IMHO, than we should. Top 4 should be well within our sights.
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Klopp wins the league this year and he deserves a knighthood
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No question. But you could make the same case about one or two of the other big 5 managers.
That's the point. If them, then why not us?
Because you arent as good as the others, you havent had any prep time with your new manager, you dont have the resources of the others, especially Chelsea and the two Manchester clubs. To start thinking of the league is to start getting extremely carried away.
Takes more than belief surging through a club to win a title.