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You would have thought being a lawyer he would understand the legal repercussions of his actions..
What a moron.
Yeah it was obvious this would happen the moment the story broke out.
Exactly.
Respect to him. Was solid for us when called upon. Just a shame he didn't live up to the hype.
Any updates on Flanno?
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So if anyone thinks the number of injuries in FM are unrealistic......yeah....there you go. Real life proof lol
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Welcome to the injury club Liverpool.
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Kelly lived upto the hype, He was just never fit. From the knee injury that cost him a few years in his teens right through, he just never could shake it. Good to see him fit and playing right now.
And a certain Arsenal fan thinks they have exclusive problems over the other thread. *Rolls eyes.
Oh well, next man up, And I'm far less worried about Lovren playing than ever I was down to both the backline playing as a unit finally; and the non-stop work rate up the other end in the pressing game that's limiting opposition attacks greatly. Don't get me wrong, he doesn't fill me with great confidence to have him in there for a month. But it's a lot less of a worry.
[h=1]Jürgen Klopp is right about Anfield fans[/h]
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Tony Barrett
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German’s criticism of supporters was valid and Liverpool are in danger of losing their identity
Shortly after taking over at Liverpool, Jürgen Klopp was asked by a foreign journalist if he had come to English football to right its wrongs, prompting images of a Germanic messiah handing out cheap tickets and serving up free beer after momentous victories.
On Sunday, Klopp lost a football match, but afterwards he held up a mirror to an element of fan culture that was totally alien to him. No sooner had Scott Dann’s header hit the back of the net to put Crystal Palace 2-1 up at Anfield than numerous Liverpool supporters began streaming away from the ground.
Aghast at what was happening around him, the Liverpool manager momentarily turned his back to the pitch while the game was going on and watched the exodus as it took place, his demeanour betraying his bewilderment.
Afterwards, Klopp explained his feelings, admitting that those who had left had made him feel “pretty alone”, particularly as there were still 12 minutes remaining, including stoppage time. If it was a criticism of the Liverpool fans, then Klopp’s subsequent backtracking ensured that it did not become a confrontational one. “I don’t want to argue,” he said. “We [the team] are responsible for ensuring that nobody can leave the stadium a minute before the last whistle because everything can happen.”
By shifting the issue on to his players, Klopp neatly defused a situation when perhaps he should not have done. At some point, someone in a position of power at Liverpool has to ask the question that is posed in song by opposition fans on a regular basis: “Where’s your famous atmosphere?”
European football folklore might decree that Anfield is a cauldron of passion, the home of the 12th man where fans support their team even when a cause has already been lost, but the matchday experience continues to fly in the face of that reputation.
In fairness, the early exodus is as much a part of Anfield’s fabric asYou’ll Never Walk Alone. It has been going on for decades, with supporters leaving early for a variety of reasons including getting to local pubs before they become crowded, escaping packed car parks before they become too busy and getting to the Mersey Tunnel or the M62 before the roads that lead to them become gridlocked.
Some leave before the final whistle simply out of habit. It has been happening at Anfield — and stadiums around the country — for as long as anyone can remember, but it is anathema to Klopp, who arrives from a culture at Borussia Dortmund where supporter and team are as one.
It is here that the idea that he is the perfect fit for Liverpool falls down. Liverpool are not the English Dortmund. They could be, if the will existed in the corridors of power at Anfield and in Boston, but it does not and that means Klopp is playing the role of conductor without an orchestra. It may not have been in keeping with the Remembrance Day spirit, but the Palace fans had a point yesterday when they chanted that the commemorative silence was only supposed to last for a minute.
Liverpool, a club with the second-most expensive “cheap” tickets in the country, are losing sight of the identity that made them what they are. As yet, the best suggestion that the club’s principal owner, John W Henry, has come up with to solve the problem is to host screenings of away games for local schoolchildren. At the same time as work on a new stand featuring more than 4,000 new corporate seats is being completed, it would be easy to argue that Henry doesn’t quite understand the issue at hand, even if his idea was sparked by good intentions.
The opposite could be said of Fenway Sports Group’s choice of Klopp as Brendan Rodgers’s successor, an inspired decision that brought one of world football’s most revered coaches to Anfield. As Sir Alex Ferguson pointed out through teeth so gritted he probably needed fillings afterwards, Klopp has the potential to revitalise Liverpool and the ability to make them a force to be reckoned with once more. But he can’t do it alone.
It is unlikely that they will be able to stop the traditional walkout, but they might come up with ways of ensuring that fans are supportive for as long as they are in the ground. Klopp might have been too polite and too respectful of his new employers to point it out but many of the solutions to Liverpool’s identity crisis are to be found in Germany, a place where fan culture remains a priority for clubs who recognise its importance in what they are trying to achieve.
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Tony Barrett
Published 30 minutes ago
German’s criticism of supporters was valid and Liverpool are in danger of losing their identity
Shortly after taking over at Liverpool, Jürgen Klopp was asked by a foreign journalist if he had come to English football to right its wrongs, prompting images of a Germanic messiah handing out cheap tickets and serving up free beer after momentous victories.
On Sunday, Klopp lost a football match, but afterwards he held up a mirror to an element of fan culture that was totally alien to him. No sooner had Scott Dann’s header hit the back of the net to put Crystal Palace 2-1 up at Anfield than numerous Liverpool supporters began streaming away from the ground.
Aghast at what was happening around him, the Liverpool manager momentarily turned his back to the pitch while the game was going on and watched the exodus as it took place, his demeanour betraying his bewilderment.
Afterwards, Klopp explained his feelings, admitting that those who had left had made him feel “pretty alone”, particularly as there were still 12 minutes remaining, including stoppage time. If it was a criticism of the Liverpool fans, then Klopp’s subsequent backtracking ensured that it did not become a confrontational one. “I don’t want to argue,” he said. “We [the team] are responsible for ensuring that nobody can leave the stadium a minute before the last whistle because everything can happen.”
By shifting the issue on to his players, Klopp neatly defused a situation when perhaps he should not have done. At some point, someone in a position of power at Liverpool has to ask the question that is posed in song by opposition fans on a regular basis: “Where’s your famous atmosphere?”
European football folklore might decree that Anfield is a cauldron of passion, the home of the 12th man where fans support their team even when a cause has already been lost, but the matchday experience continues to fly in the face of that reputation.
In fairness, the early exodus is as much a part of Anfield’s fabric asYou’ll Never Walk Alone. It has been going on for decades, with supporters leaving early for a variety of reasons including getting to local pubs before they become crowded, escaping packed car parks before they become too busy and getting to the Mersey Tunnel or the M62 before the roads that lead to them become gridlocked.
Some leave before the final whistle simply out of habit. It has been happening at Anfield — and stadiums around the country — for as long as anyone can remember, but it is anathema to Klopp, who arrives from a culture at Borussia Dortmund where supporter and team are as one.
It is here that the idea that he is the perfect fit for Liverpool falls down. Liverpool are not the English Dortmund. They could be, if the will existed in the corridors of power at Anfield and in Boston, but it does not and that means Klopp is playing the role of conductor without an orchestra. It may not have been in keeping with the Remembrance Day spirit, but the Palace fans had a point yesterday when they chanted that the commemorative silence was only supposed to last for a minute.
Liverpool, a club with the second-most expensive “cheap” tickets in the country, are losing sight of the identity that made them what they are. As yet, the best suggestion that the club’s principal owner, John W Henry, has come up with to solve the problem is to host screenings of away games for local schoolchildren. At the same time as work on a new stand featuring more than 4,000 new corporate seats is being completed, it would be easy to argue that Henry doesn’t quite understand the issue at hand, even if his idea was sparked by good intentions.
The opposite could be said of Fenway Sports Group’s choice of Klopp as Brendan Rodgers’s successor, an inspired decision that brought one of world football’s most revered coaches to Anfield. As Sir Alex Ferguson pointed out through teeth so gritted he probably needed fillings afterwards, Klopp has the potential to revitalise Liverpool and the ability to make them a force to be reckoned with once more. But he can’t do it alone.
It is unlikely that they will be able to stop the traditional walkout, but they might come up with ways of ensuring that fans are supportive for as long as they are in the ground. Klopp might have been too polite and too respectful of his new employers to point it out but many of the solutions to Liverpool’s identity crisis are to be found in Germany, a place where fan culture remains a priority for clubs who recognise its importance in what they are trying to achieve.
And you also have to consider that Arsenal has best squad depth in England and top 3 in the world
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Won't get any argument from most but it's sadly nottin' new. As long as I've been going the match the Main Stand and Kemlyn has always started to empty the last 10 minutes. We used to skit them blind stood on the Kop but it never changed. Cheaper seats won't change it. As I said yesterday, I personally don't understand the logic at all. Not least at today's prices. But I can't see anything ever stopping it. It happens Country wide and just is what it is with some people.
****, if you can't get the same people to stay (and it's not that great a number. Just the same noticeable areas you see all the time. The main stand right behind him obviously being glaring to the new manager) through a very good game of football that could of gone either way the last 10 minutes, with a team transformed over the past month behind the euphoria of the new manager; then what hope is there for the early leavers?
Quite a decent team as well tbf
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I wonder where, or if, he ultimately fits in under Klopp even if he does ever get fully healthy again?
Love Flanno. A true Scouser through and through. Our best defender by far a few years ago when we came second. Gives absolutely everything and is as hard as nails. He'll go through a you and a brick ball to win the ball. Which Klopp will love. But the one thing he's always lacked is pace. Play him as a defensive FB and he'll be one of the most solid and reliable around. Ask him to supply width, as the FB's are in the main his system, and he'll look lost trying to get up and down without the speed.
Might be one we ultimately have to sacrifice. Be interesting to see how that one develops.
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This leaving early debate, as Scouse eluded to, is nothing new at all...
It seems to only be a story as Klopp has said something about it. Right or wrong, it happens at almost every club in world football and is unlikely to change anytime soon
My personal view is that if you pay the prices Liverpool charge you should want to stay until the end.
It seems to only be a story as Klopp has said something about it. Right or wrong, it happens at almost every club in world football and is unlikely to change anytime soon
My personal view is that if you pay the prices Liverpool charge you should want to stay until the end.
In FM he can train into a top class DM bwm with his aggression, bravery, tackling and marking.
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Interesting. I had great success switching to Lucas to centre back a few versions back.
Might have to look into Flanno the other way. If I ever get around to updating to this years version like ha ha.
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Was he not basically playing as a wing-back of sorts under Rodgers when we were almost all out attack?
Not his natural game but I still think he could adapt to it