The Liverpool Thread

[Scouseinthehouse]

Ohhh, can I start flip flopping to keep with a point that was never there to start with?

#stilllearning

 

[sunilvk7]

Not my problem if you can't see it.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Not my problem if you can't see it.

Dude, there's notin' to see. You've an opinion. Nothing more. Nothing less. No problem there, everyone's entitled to them. But it doesn't make it some sort of 'fact.'

The opposite opinion is we have nowhere near a quality squad, regardless of what's been spent; and yet again we're mired at the start of a rebuild. (Which, please God, will finally be done right this time or we are well and truly ******.)We have maybe half a first team (if fit) you'd want to work with going forward. Klopp's not getting a pass because Rodgers was so bad. He and we know results have to improve. He's getting a pass for a multitude of reasons. As you mentioned, he's had no pre-season. He's been in the job 4 months. After taking over a team at rock bottom with one win in 9 prior to his arrival. These aren't his players. (Just like at Utd they weren't Van Gaal's and just as big a mess as Van Gaal walked into.). And he's had and is still dealing with a horrendous injury list that has robbed him of the main quality that is in the squad. And within that, there's still been more than enough signs, just like yesterday, to suggest when he does get better players in he'll have this team flying. People are frustrated wth the situation more than annoyed but we see the light at the end of the tunnel with the top class manager we have in place over time.

Nobody's making any 'excuse' for anything that's not there.

 

[sunilvk7]

Dude, there's notin' to see. You've an opinion. Nothing more. Nothing less. No problem there, everyone's entitled to them. But it doesn't make it some sort of 'fact.'

The opposite opinion is we have nowhere near a quality squad, regardless of what's been spent; and yet again we're mired at the start of a rebuild. (Which, please God, will finally be done right this time or we are well and truly ******.)We have maybe half a first team (if fit) you'd want to work with going forward. Klopp's not getting a pass because Rodgers was so bad. He and we know results have to improve. He's getting a pass for a multitude of reasons. As you mentioned, he's had no pre-season. He's been on the job 4 months. These aren't his players. (Just like at Utd they weren't Van Gaal's and just as big a mess s Van Gaal walked into.). And he's had and is still dealing with a horrendous injury list that has robbed him of the main quality that is in the squad. And within that, there's still been more than enough signs, just like yesterday, to suggest when he does get better players in he'll have this team flying. People are frustrated wth the situation more than annoyed but we see the light at the end of the tunnel with the top class manager we have in place over time.

Nobody's making any 'excuse' for anything that's not there.

Isn't the biggest attribute of good managers (in this case, best manager in the league according to you) is to work with what they have and make the best use of the players?

I don't get this "These are not his players" excuse. Like I said, clubs that change managers often can't use that excuse. I gave examples too to back my point and those are just from 2015-16 season.

He didn't get the pre season with the team is a valid one though but 19 points from 14 league games is poor whichever way you look at.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

..... I don't get this "These are not his players" excuse. Like I said, clubs that change managers often can't use that excuse. I gave examples too to back my point and those are just from 2015-16 season....

Not that it's an 'excuse', but it's equally as valid as trying to say it's different from Utd coming off two decades of the same manager.

Still a very average group of players. No matter how much we over paid for them. Still a complete change of how we want them to play football going on.

It just suits your opinion to flippantly say it's ok for one and not the other.

 

[zzeezzy]

I think the most worrying thing if I was a Liverpool fan right now is realising you have a manager like Klopp but are still signing players like Caulker (albeit on loan) and according to the Mirror you've bid £8m for Shane Long.

I mean surely if you're going to get anywhere under Klopp you have to start targeting a higher bracket of player? No one is going to start miraculously turning around Liverpool's fortune with players like Caulker and Long.

I thought under Klopp it would be a chance to really establish yourself and with his reputation get some players of a higher level in. But if you end up with mediocrity again like under Rodgers you're really no further forward.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Real frustrating that the last week, had we any semblance of competent goalkeeping and defending Wednesday; and the same in a competent finisher yesterday, we'd of had a 6 point haul.

But we have no competent central defenders available, certainly no goalkeeper, and the only reliable forward has a season ticket at the Royal. So all the other good work is ultimately a waste of time.

Just us is what it is and we have to try get better what with what we have to work with.

 

[LFCMarshall]

I think the most worrying thing if I was a Liverpool fan right now is realising you have a manager like Klopp but are still signing players like Caulker (albeit on loan) and according to the Mirror you've bid £8m for Shane Long.

I mean surely if you're going to get anywhere under Klopp you have to start targeting a higher bracket of player? No one is going to start miraculously turning around Liverpool's fortune with players like Caulker and Long.

I thought under Klopp it would be a chance to really establish yourself and with his reputation get some players of a higher level in. But if you end up with mediocrity again like under Rodgers you're really no further forward.

Lets not go overboard, it's the January window... Was this to happen in the summer then there would be a genuine case to worry

As of now it looks as if targets are not available so Klopp is targeting players to suit a system or to improve weaknesses. In Caulker's case it was defensive cover due to injuries and to add an aerial presence and Long is the energetic, pacey striker Klopp seems to want - again he is looking because 3 of our 4 strikers are injured

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I think the most worrying thing if I was a Liverpool fan right now is realising you have a manager like Klopp but are still signing players like Caulker (albeit on loan) and according to the Mirror you've bid £8m for Shane Long.

I mean surely if you're going to get anywhere under Klopp you have to start targeting a higher bracket of player? No one is going to start miraculously turning around Liverpool's fortune with players like Caulker and Long.

I thought under Klopp it would be a chance to really establish yourself and with his reputation get some players of a higher level in. But if you end up with mediocrity again like under Rodgers you're really no further forward.

Caulker I have no problem with as he's just a short term solution to a desperate situation. For whatever reason, be it clubs knowing we're desperate for defenders, or players just not available in Jamuary; nobody of the right quality who'd be a long term signing was available so he was an experienced, short term answer.

Long I'm hoping is just the media putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. (L'pool can't score goals. Southampton just off loaded a forward so they can afford to lose one.). If there was an official bid then absolutely it's worrying. That should be no more than another short term loan solution for me.

The summer is more the window to see whether they're going to fully financially back him,

If they don't I don't know where the clubs heading because the current squad is a mess and nowhere near good enough on a consistent basis to compete at the very top.

 

[zzeezzy]

Lets not go overboard, it's the January window... Was this to happen in the summer then there would be a genuine case to worry

As of now it looks as if targets are not available so Klopp is targeting players to suit a system or to improve weaknesses. In Caulker's case it was defensive cover due to injuries and to add an aerial presence and Long is the energetic, pacey striker Klopp seems to want - again he is looking because 3 of our 4 strikers are injured

Long would be perfect for your system tbf, I really have no clue why Benteke or Balotelli was ever bought. They were never the type of striker for Liverpool, even under Rodgers.

My point is mainly right now, I wouldn't worry too much about results or anything like that because if we're realistic everyone knew this Liverpool squad was unlikely for top 4.

But the main worry for a Liverpool fan IMO should be what you're trying to build under Klopp. The signings really are crucial in terms of what you are going to do and aim for under him. The summer is the real time to tell but I genuinely think that will be a massive window for both manager and club.

 

[zzeezzy]

Considering teams like Watford and Leicester have shown how effective 4-4-2 can still be in the Premier League. I think your best hope of ever getting Benteke or Balotelli for that matter (if he comes back) to work is by getting in a player like Long and partnering these upfront together. But I seriously doubt Klopp would switch to 4-4-2 considering it would basically negate Coutinho and Lallana. But you're not really getting the best out of Lallana or Coutinho now anyway so it's an interesting thought.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I might be wrong but I think he defo wants to play two up top. But he's just not had the players healthy to do it.

 

[sunilvk7]

Apparently Jerome Sinclair won't be signing new contract and will leave on free transfer in the summer. Also he is looking to move to Spain which means Liverpool will get very very less tribunal fee (Domestic one would have fetched you nicer fee).

Also there is no prize for guessing his agent. Yeah, the same one with Sterling.

Advising 19 year old striker to move, especially to foreign country where everything might go **** up just for bigger signing on fee looks incredibly stupid. Heard he is highly rated youngster.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Yeah, soon as he appointed Ward the back end of the year that was always likely to be the beginning of the end.

Not sure how high up he'd of eventually played, but he should at worst have a very good Championship/ lower end Premiership career. Looked very promising U'18/ U'21 level for what that's worth. Only seen him live three times. Exeter the other week and West Brom a few ears back the league cup. And the last pre-season this year at Morcambe (L'pool XI) when both he and Ojo came off the bench and love ones a cut above anything else on the pitch. Which was seasoned between pros when it came to Morcambe.

Kids a goal scorer and would be better served continuing his development here but that Ward thing ***** everything with us.

 

[Tezzz]

I would not be so sure in that. First time it seemed like why he didint took it. But from replay the slide he made when the ball hit the post was moment he could not get back up so fast and react to strong hit. No blame to Mignolet here.

The time Rooney took to take the ball down and shoot was more than enough for a GK to stand back up after falling down to one knee.

 

[Tyton]

Oh come on now. You know how I feel about Simon Flapalot, but that goal wasn't on him. Yes, De Gea did get back up, but he only had a floater to defend. Mignolet had a point-blank power volley. No goalkeeper in the world would have saved that. The only person in history who could possibly, maaaaaybe, pull it off is peak Casillas, with his monkey-like agility and superhuman reflexes.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

The time Rooney took to take the ball down and shoot was more than enough for a GK to stand back up after falling down to one knee.

Reckon he can keep a clean sheet Wednesday? (Rhetorical. We'll need 2 regardless.).

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Oh come on now. You know how I feel about Simon Flapalot, but that goal wasn't on him. Yes, De Gea did get back up, but he only had a floater to defend. Mignolet had a point-blank power volley. No goalkeeper in the world would have saved that. The only person in history who could possibly, maaaaaybe, pull it off is peak Casillas, with his monkey-like agility and superhuman reflexes.

Grobbelaar. Not saying he'd of saved that, just the first name that came to mind when you said 'monkey-like agility.'

He was a complete frigging loon, but I've never seen a 'keeper as agile who could spring like Brucie could. Some of the contortions through the air he put his body in to get to things defied belief.

 

[Legend Incredible]

I wasn't. I felt the summer regardless of Van Gaal, your squad was the most realistic to look at replacing the top 4 for us. (Obviously never envisioned Chelsea collapsing.). Seen nothing to change that.

But hey, what would I know. Redoing up apparently most of our first XI is set and being as the previous manager spent big everything should be good as this is nothing like the rebuild Van Gaal had on his hands so yer know. Shrugs.

You won't see anything now to change your opinion obviously. Remember van Gaal's rebuild is for the future.

Let's just get our injuries back first of all.

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[Scouseinthehouse]

You won't see anything now to change your opinion obviously. Remember van Gaal's rebuild is for the future.

Let's just get our injuries back first of all.

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Hey, you've got your manager back on the title crusade talk after yesterday.

Which as absurd as that sounds to all intents and purposes, this season, with this league being as **** poor as it is even at the very top end; wouldn't surprise you at all.