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mersk said:
I fear that's wishful thinking. He even uses the word 'perfect' to describe him... Why don't these journalists pull up the numbers on personal mistakes leading to goals? Why don't they ask him how he feels about Liverpool fans complaining and opposition fans celebrating his renewal? Why don't they bring up his lack of control of the area? I thought they wanted headlines, that's how you get headlines.

We'll never win the league with Mignolet as first choice goalkeeper, I'm willing to bet a ******** on that. Feel free to bring up this quote in the future, I'll stand by it and even perform the procedure myself. With a rusty butter knife.
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Video as well please! :)
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
With everything you and most everyone else keeps saying.

I just need something to cling to to try rationalise this or else I'd of drunk myself into an early grave the last 24 hours.

There was two lads the bus tonight discussing it and one was vainly trying to suggest that maybe we're just 'protecting our interest' by making sure we get a decent fee the summer. And his mate was like 'What f-ing interest? Who the f would give us even what we paid for him if we put him on the open market?'

This just doesn't make a lick of sense whatever way you try reason it. And I've yet to talk to anyone that is not absolutely stunned and ****** by yesterdays ridiculous announcement.
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I feel ya, and I've seen others rationalising in the same way. Tying him down to make sure we get a decent fee, or tying him down to make sure we have a better backup than Bogdan when we go for a new keeper in the summer. But that guy on the bus is right you know, no one is willing to offer what we paid for him, and even if we get a low offer from a lower table team they would never be able (willing) to match his wages. I'm not sure what they are, but I've seen the figure £60k p/w mentioned a lot - on his last contract. So to guesstimate, I'd throw the number £75k p/w out. Could be less, could be more, but no one is gonna be willing to match them anyway.

Also seen a lot of people suggest this wasn't Klopp's doing, that what Rodgers said about transfers is still valid. I honestly have no idea what to believe in regards to that, but it seems clear to me there's something wrong in the decision making on a board level when we refuse to strengthen our most vulnerable position. "Klopp has titles on his CV, he would never accept a contract like the one Rodgers described." I want to believe that, but that means it was in fact his decision to renew Mignolet's contract. Which results in a lose/lose situation: Either Klopp doesn't have the last word, which is retarded - or Klopp is responsible for this ****.

If I had to guess, I'd assume it is on him. Weidenfeller wasn't exactly a world class goalkeeper either, but he kept him on. And Klopp has said himself he prefers to develop what he has rather than go out and buy a new team. But no, it doesn't make sense when he's by far our weakest link. It could probably be an indicator of Klopp's lack of pragmatism.


ImAddicted said:
Video as well please! :)
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Sure, I'll wear a bunny costume too and do it in public just to up the ante.
 
I just read an evaluation of the 25 players bought under Rodgers, put together by the founder of LFCSCSB (Liverpool Football Club Supporters' Club Scandinavian Branch) and editor of liverpool.no

I'm just gonna paste the list in and exclude the comments after each bracket:

Success
Philippe Coutinho, Daniel Sturridge, Nathaniel Clyne

Value for money
Kolo Touré, Emre Can, Joe Gomez, Danny Ings

Has contributed/can still be a success
Simon Mignolet, Mamadou Sakho, Dejan Lovren, Alberto Moreno, James Milner, Roberto Firmino, Christian Benteke

Disappointing
Joe Allen, Oussama Assaidi, Adam Lallana, Lazar Markovic, Divock Origi

Not good enough
Fabio Borini, Luis Alberto, Iago Aspas, Tiago Ilori, Rickie Lambert

Failure
Mario Balotelli


Personally I disagree with several here.

Sturridge is a success due to his relatively low fee at the time, his passport, and his talent. But in terms of contributing, he's missed more games than he's played.

I don't think Mignolet belongs in that bracket at all. Putting Lovren there is optimistic at best.

Origi's placement is harsh, and Markovic still hasn't gotten a fair chance I feel.

But the major point here is only 3 successes out of 25. That's not shocking, it's a disgrace.
 
I remember when Solksjaer was the President of the Norwegian branch of the Supporters Club for a few years when he was at United until they finally cottoned onto it and forced him to give it up.

Fun times. :D.
 
mersk said:
I just read an evaluation of the 25 players bought under Rodgers, put together by the founder of LFCSCSB (Liverpool Football Club Supporters' Club Scandinavian Branch) and editor of liverpool.no

I'm just gonna paste the list in and exclude the comments after each bracket:

Success
Philippe Coutinho, Daniel Sturridge, Nathaniel Clyne

Value for money
Kolo Touré, Emre Can, Joe Gomez, Danny Ings

Has contributed/can still be a success
Simon Mignolet, Mamadou Sakho, Dejan Lovren, Alberto Moreno, James Milner, Roberto Firmino, Christian Benteke

Disappointing
Joe Allen, Oussama Assaidi, Adam Lallana, Lazar Markovic, Divock Origi

Not good enough
Fabio Borini, Luis Alberto, Iago Aspas, Tiago Ilori, Rickie Lambert

Failure
Mario Balotelli

Personally I disagree with several here.

Sturridge is a success due to his relatively low fee at the time, his passport, and his talent. But in terms of contributing, he's missed more games than he's played.

I don't think Mignolet belongs in that bracket at all. Putting Lovren there is optimistic at best.

Origi's placement is harsh, and Markovic still hasn't gotten a fair chance I feel.

But the major point here is only 3 successes out of 25. That's not shocking, it's a disgrace.
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Eeeeesh then to top it all of rodgers contradicts himself saying he had no control of transfers despite going on record a year earlier saying he had final say. Worst Manager we have had imo, atleast woy didnt lumber us with debt.
 
dilakh2 said:
Eeeeesh then to top it all of rodgers contradicts himself saying he had no control of transfers despite going on record a year earlier saying he had final say. Worst Manager we have had imo, atleast woy didnt lumber us with debt.
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Did he lie then, or does he lie now? If he lied then, then so did Ayre. It's a shame how big a part politics plays in today's managerial roles.
 
dilakh2 said:
Eeeeesh then to top it all of rodgers contradicts himself saying he had no control of transfers despite going on record a year earlier saying he had final say. Worst Manager we have had imo, atleast woy didnt lumber us with debt.
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Worst manager we have had? Jeeez. Despite the transfer failings, which don't fall completely at Rodgers feet, we have finished 7th, 2nd and 6th

2nd being our best ever premier league season, and 6th and 7th being an almost average finishing position of the last 10 years or so

I get the reasons for people disliking the Rodgers tenure, but lets not got over the top here.

mersk said:
Did he lie then, or does he lie now? If he lied then, then so did Ayre. It's a shame how big a part politics plays in today's managerial roles.
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It's more PR than politics - the potential to undermine the manager by publicly stating he is not in control would be a silly thing to do.

Although most journalist's close to Liverpool confirmed throughout it was an almost 50/50 approach in terms of signing players. How is that ever going to work when different people have different opinions on players and styles of play?
 
Benteke, Allen and 5-year man Mignolet on the pitch tonight and Jose Enrique is handed the captaincy.

What a bizarre week.
 
LFCMarshall said:
Benteke, Allen and 5-year man Mignolet on the pitch tonight and Jose Enrique is handed the captaincy.

What a bizarre week.
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That's what caught my eye as well. Mignolet said he "tries to be a leader". Apparently he fails at that (too), when a fringe player like Enrique is handed the armband. Also, what does it say about Benteke who wore it last time out? What the **** is going on?
 
The kids were excellent today. Agree 100% with Macca that Benteke should be killing opposition like exeter. Nice to see Flanno back aswell.
 
A very professional job by these youngsters, these 2 games will be an excellent experience to take on board going forward. Beautiful goal by Ojo. Smith looked good again but disappeared a little towards the end. Also think Allen was good, not just because of the goal, although that was a nice bonus. Brannagan and Stewart looked tidy too. Benteke wanted to show too much, but instead ended up showing nothing. Ibe needs to improve his decision making. Great to see Flanagan back.

All in all a good match, and Klopp's biggest Anfield win so far.
 
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