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Their initiatives for the kids is all well and good, but it is the parents who are having to pay for them with an increased ticket

They cant say they're helping the fans when the revenue increases by 2mil a year. 2mil! In football terms that is relatively nothing and in return it alienates the support, which will then possibly effect the team on the pitch if fans are walking out because of it!
 
LFCMarshall said:
..... They cant say they're helping the fans when the revenue increases by 2mil a year. 2mil! In football terms that is relatively nothing and in return it alienates the support, which will then possibly effect the team on the pitch if fans are walking out because of it!
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You know one of the things that's really narking the living **** out of me within all this? When I walk out the ground tomorrow after 77 minutes, hopefully, along with thousands of others, I'll be doing something that goes against everything we stand for as Liverpool fans. Breaking that unique bond we have with players and managers. Something modern day Liverpool has been built on since '59 when Shanks walked through the door. Fans, players, manager. ALL that matters. The 'Holy Trinity' as the great man called it. The corner stone of all our success over the years. And FSG are forcing us, en masse for the very first time, to walk out on players and manager.

Thankfully, we once again have a manager who has done nothing but try his damndest from day one to bring back that bond and have that triumvirate as one again. He realises just how important WE are to everything he's trying to build. So at least he'll fully understand.

But for Boston to back us into a corner to break that bond is unforgivable.
 
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All of this was predictable outcome of of selling so many PL clubs to foreigners. These people don't have a slightest clue about European sports culture, and how could they?
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
You know one of the things that's really narking the living **** out of me within all this? When I walk out the ground tomorrow after 77 minutes, hopefully, along with thousands of others, I'll be doing something that goes against everything we stand for as Liverpool fans. Breaking that unique bond we have with players and managers. Something modern day Liverpool has been built on since '59 when Shanks walked through the door. Fans, players, manager. ALL that matters. The 'Holy Trinity' as the great man called it. The corner stone of all our success over the years. And FSG are forcing us, en masse for the very first time, to walk out on players and manager.

Thankfully, we once again have a manager who has done nothing but try his damndest from day one to bring back that bond and have that triumvirate as one again. He realises just how important WE are to everything he's trying to build. So at least he'll fully understand.

But for Boston to back us into a corner to break that bond is unforgivable.
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While walking out makes a good showing it gives you nothing and takes nothing from the Club (except atmosphere).

If people are really trying to make a point don't buy the tickets. Don't buy the merchandice and so on. Actually hit them somewhere which means something which is income. FSG and most of the owners don't care a thing about atmosphere in the stadium. It's all the same for them if the stadium is empty / there are empty seats if those seats have been paid for. This is something you see with Arsenal as almost every game is a sellout, but you see lots of empty seats(Though there have been some improvements with ticket exchange).
 
Quasit said:
While walking out makes a good showing it gives you nothing and takes nothing from the Club (except atmosphere).

If people are really trying to make a point don't buy the tickets. Don't buy the merchandice and so on. Actually hit them somewhere which means something which is income. FSG and most of the owners don't care a thing about atmosphere in the stadium. It's all the same for them if the stadium is empty / there are empty seats if those seats have been paid for. This is something you see with Arsenal as almost every game is a sellout, but you see lots of empty seats(Though there have been some improvements with ticket exchange).
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Very few locals will give the club any money outside of the ticket money. But I disagree. IF, and that's still a big 'IF' because you know there's going to many that don't leave on 77, a large enough portion do leave the ground to make it news worthy, that will make FSG sit up and take notice. And the sponsors if there's loads of empty red seats going round the World. Don't be fooled into thinking sponsors wouldn't be asking questions at those pictures from dissatisfied fans. Talking of, that will start tomorrow too. A concerted bombardment of the clubs sponsors telling them in no uncertain terms our dissatisfaction with Boston. The very last thing sponsors want is bad PR. Just ask Hicks and Gillett what effect that had on hastening their arses out the door the last time.

As a short notice thing with tickets already purchased, I think this is the ideal start to let Boston know this will no longer be tolerated.
 
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Tyton said:
All of this was predictable outcome of of selling so many PL clubs to foreigners. These people don't have a slightest clue about European sports culture, and how could they?
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Absolutely. There's bad owners from every Nation, Brits included. But American's seem to be one of the worst.

Utd fans have had their serious problems with the Glaziers. Their ticketing sham was even worse than ours. Villa have been been completely destroyed by Lerner. We've had two bad experiences. The first an absolute clownshow that all but destroyed the club. And Arsenal fans are having big problems with Kroenke.

The major differences between the two cultures, not least sportingly as you say, is a big factor. ****, FSG even promote us in their prospectus to potential investors as a 'storied franchise.' We're a ******* privately owned FOOTBALL CLUB! You get the impression if they could, they would move (in their words) 'the franchise' to London to make even more money.
 
Subtle said:
If anything, his claims seem exactly the same. He wanted to go to Europe but all the offers that came in weren't up to scratch and Shakhtar made it clear that they wouldn't take any less for him. Basically, you made eyes at him, then weren't willing to cough up the relevant amount even though he wanted to move. It just reinforces how dumb the club were in trying to **** with Shakhtar, and the fact that he was yours if you hadn't tried to play them for chumps.
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Declaring interest in the player and not backing it up with suitable offer. Typical Liverpool but usually end up paying huge money, this time didn't.

Also I thought Liverpool were back among the big teams by beating Chelsea for this signing :P , at least was told by some here.
 
sunilvk7 said:
Declaring interest in the player and not backing it up with suitable offer. Typical Liverpool but usually end up paying huge money, this time didn't.

Also I thought Liverpool were back among the big teams by beating Chelsea for this signing :P , at least was told by some here.
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For once, I think Liverpool handled it quite well.

They were interested in the player, started low and then tried to meet in the middle - Nothing could be done so we moved on. I would have loved Teixeira at Liverpool, but 38mil is very steep.
 
Ugly, rainy day.

Hope we beat Sunderland. But honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if we somehow failed to beat either them or Villa the next week. But won the replay down at West Ham. Until Phil, Origi and Sturridge get back, it's all on whether Firmino is on it or not as to whether we score any goal. (Singular. Let's not go getting silly with anything more.).

But the game is secondary to me to sending the first public notice to FSG that this **** will no longer be tolerated. I just hope there's enough walk out on 77 minutes to make it seriously media newsworthy and make both Boston and more so the sponsors sit up at the negative publicity. This could really be the start of something again. Not just at ours but across the board in football. People said it was fruitless when the SOS formed and we went to war with Hicks and Gillett. That had changed by the end of it. So if more and more think of their fellow fan today and remind Boston of the power we can have as one, that we won't sit and let them continue to rape us and our fellow supporters blind in times of such mega riches in the game; then we could be onto something again.

What we don't need is a return to the Hicks/ Gillett fight of fan against fan, and the toxic atmosphere in the ground that produced. You just hope people remember that and what can be achieved when you have strength in unity.

Most important game of the season. But not on the pitch.

SUPPORTERS NOT CUSTOMERS!

#WalkOutOn77
 
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LFCMarshall said:
For once, I think Liverpool handled it quite well.

They were interested in the player, started low and then tried to meet in the middle - Nothing could be done so we moved on. I would have loved Teixeira at Liverpool, but 38mil is very steep.
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No. You didn't do well. You identified him as someone who will improve your team but made low ball bid and lost him.
 
sunilvk7 said:
No. You didn't do well. You identified him as someone who will improve your team but made low ball bid and lost him.
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Absolute rubbish!

first offer of 24.8mil, second offer closer to 30mil... If that's low-balling then there is something seriously wrong in the world. There was only 8million apart in valuation and Liverpool didn't think he was worth it.

I am not entirely sure what the problem seems to be from some fans on rival teams
 
LFCMarshall said:
Absolute rubbish!

first offer of 24.8mil, second offer closer to 30mil... If that's low-balling then there is something seriously wrong in the world. There was only 8million apart in valuation and Liverpool didn't think he was worth it.

I am not entirely sure what the problem seems to be from some fans on rival teams
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Didn't their CEO openly say our last offer was £34 million plus £2 million in potential add ons?

Terribly hard trying to deal with Russina/ Ukranian mobsters. (Which in effect most of them are.).

Still not forgotten Donetsk and their owner turning around and refusing to sign the papers after we'd met the release clause they put into his contract on the winger who's name escapes me. That one beggared even more belief that they could get away with it.
 
LFCMarshall said:
Absolute rubbish!

first offer of 24.8mil, second offer closer to 30mil... If that's low-balling then there is something seriously wrong in the world. There was only 8million apart in valuation and Liverpool didn't think he was worth it.

I am not entirely sure what the problem seems to be from some fans on rival teams
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I don't think anyone has a problem with your failed bid.

With all the TV money, if Liverpool thought he was not worth the extra 8 million then it's a mistake if they identified him as someone who will improve their team.

Rival fans are just enjoying some of the hilarious U turns made by LFC fan/fans.
 
sunilvk7 said:
I don't think anyone has a problem with your failed bid.

With all the TV money, if Liverpool thought he was not worth the extra 8 million then it's a mistake if they identified him as someone who will improve their team.

Rival fans are just enjoying some of the hilarious U turns made by LFC fan/fans.
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It very rarely works like that unless money is not an issue

If that was the case, then why do most clubs not just pay up for all targets that a club identifies if they think it will make them stronger?
 
LFCMarshall said:
It very rarely works like that unless money is not an issue

If that was the case, then why do most clubs not just pay up for all targets that a club identifies if they think it will make them stronger?
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Because players aren't available all the time, when they do clubs usually pay up and get it done.
 
sunilvk7 said:
Because players aren't available all the time, when they do clubs usually pay up and get it done.
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do they? Nobody will know the exact figure as this goes on behind closed doors, but I would be surprised if most transfers went through at the original asking price.

Transfers would be very simple if clubs just 'paid up'
 
LFCMarshall said:
It very rarely works like that unless money is not an issue

If that was the case, then why do most clubs not just pay up for all targets that a club identifies if they think it will make them stronger?
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Like you said, the manager made the decision to pull the plug. It's his squad he's building and he knows what he wants and their worth. It get's out of control and he moves on to the next one. Obviously all his long term targets where unattainable this window so he's not been panicked into paying either over the odds or buying for the sake of buying in what is in effect an evaluation/ no pressure year for him and has conserved his budget to add to the summer one.

Aside from coming in with such a low initial offer (have to slightly disagree with you there mate. There's bargaining and there's a £14 million difference), can't for once blame FSG or Ayre for how this one went. It was always going to be murky regardless given the nature of the club/ region/ owner.
 
This was Liverpool's captain earlier liking an article on the walkout.

It's now unliked.

Club pressure on him? Boston propaganda in full flow.

#Hendoknows




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