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Tony Barrett the latest to join the Gotze talk.

20mil may seem low, but he has one year left on his contract and is not a first team player currently. Toni Kroos went for a similar amount being a key player for them because of the contract situation.

The other stuff is more interesting, Zelinski also interested in a move, good player.
 
Tony Barrett the latest to join the Gotze talk.

20mil may seem low, but he has one year left on his contract and is not a first team player currently. Toni Kroos went for a similar amount being a key player for them because of the contract situation.

Indeed. 30m would have been about right, 20m is a good deal. No doubt Klopp will build the team around him, should he move.

Which is what Gotze wants
 
The other stuff is more interesting, Zelinski also interested in a move, good player.

Big talent, but in Empoli they play christmas tree formation, which gives him a lot of defensive cover and freedom to attack. With 2-man midfield he struggles a bit.
 
What type of player is Zielinski? Don't watch Italian footy.

Gotze's an odd one, obviously a great player, gets along with the manager etc, but his position isnt the one I'd be clamouring for. Gotze would NEED to play #10, he's **** out wide, Cou can play on the left pretty well, does that mean Firminho is put on the right or up top?
 
What type of player is Zielinski? Don't watch Italian footy.

Gotze's an odd one, obviously a great player, gets along with the manager etc, but his position isnt the one I'd be clamouring for. Gotze would NEED to play #10, he's **** out wide, Cou can play on the left pretty well, does that mean Firminho is put on the right or up top?

Depends on what you do with your forwards in the summer
 
I actually quite like the idea of Coutinho on the right so that he doesn't always cut inside and shoot from 30 yards! Left more natural for him though and moments of magic like the United goal probably wouldn't happen from the right wing, but he might be a more effective playmaker.
 
Being honest I'd never heard of him until linked, and I've also never seen him play.

What's he like?

He's a sort of CM playmaker. Plays in pivot for us and in midfield 3 for Empoil. Good dribbler, eye for pass, competent with both feet.
 
Not really a bargain of the century at all (or even bargain of the last 12 months), as he has been frozen out under Guardiola, partly due to middling performances, partly because he simply doesn't fancy him. Cut price, but then Bayern fans argue he cost too much in the first place. Then again Bayern arent stupid, they could still draw £30m from any prem club, would make little sense to go that low.

That said 2 issues with this story

1) it's Paul Joyce, who is horrible
2) Gotze is yet to talk to Ancellotti, who may yet want to keep him and restore him to a more leading role.

I know it hurts to admit it Mike, but we can actually make the odd good transfer deal you know.

Have faith people.
 
Coutinho was good deal as well. Imagine how ******* good he could be if he could get more consistent.
 
Coutinho was good deal as well. Imagine how ******* good he could be if he could get more consistent.

All relative to better players around him I feel as much as anything.

Since Gerrard was binned .....uhmmm, forced out ...... uhmmm, left for LA, the emphasis, until Klopp arrived, was ALL on him to be the key man. Like when Stevie was the catalyst, the other players would give it to him, sit back, and expect him to create a moment of genius. And his form really suffered as a result as he was trying too much. Shooting from distance for the spectacular when there was a better pass on. Ignoring simple balls and trying to beat five men.

The longer we've gone under Klopp, with Firmino really coming to the fore, and players like Lallana now really starting to contribute, that pressures been taken off and he's slowly getting the consistency back as he trusts everyone else more to their jobs.

That can only improve if/ when he has better players alongside side who can contribute what he does like Firmino has wonderfully now he's settled and he doesn't feel the need to have be the main man.
 
Ter Stegan/ Hector/ Gotze all playing against Italy right no for anyone interested. (I am in Hector):


Germany vs Italy**

For anyone that didn't watch .....

Ter Stegan had little to do. Came strongly and caught a few balls the area. Beaten by a big deflection. But his footwork was well dodgy which doesn't bode well. Hope he was just showboating.

Hector. VERY good. Not as attack minded as Moreno, but picks his moments and supports well when he does. Very intelligent positional wise. Very strong in the air as you'd expect for his size. Simple, good passer of a ball who's tough the tackle. Just a real solid, defender, who, yer know, can frigging DEFEND! EVERYTHING Moreno never was. And capped it off with a very good first International goal which came from great support. Need to catch some Cologne games but he'll fit in superbly on that showing.

Gotze. Had 60 odd minutes. Tidy. Kept it simple. Very good movement and interchanging with Muller. (Can we have him please? Lol, man, what a player and he's just getting better and better. Makes it look SO effortlessly easy wherever he plays.). But we know he's top notch already. The flick from him that lead to the third goal was ridiculously sublime.

Volland came on the last 10 but the game was dead by them so nottin' to really report on him.

Germany won 4-1. Unlike Sat'day, they looked interested and sharp whilst still playing within themselves. When it REALLY matters, you still feel they'd snot England. Puts the weekend in perspective.
 
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Wait, what? Germany beating Italy? Must be some glitch in the matrix.
 
Wait, what? Germany beating Italy? Must be some glitch in the matrix.
Friendly. And sometimes there must be exception to confirm the rule.

Ter Stegen as Barca's #1 GK? Of whatever number he is nowdays. Liverpool is in for him? Jesus, you could do much better with other German Gks. As a United fan, I would be ******* ecstatic if you got him.
 
Friendly. And sometimes there must be exception to confirm the rule.

Ter Stegen as Barca's #1 GK? Of whatever number he is nowdays. Liverpool is in for him? Jesus, you could do much better with other German Gks. As a United fan, I would be ******* ecstatic if you got him.

Our main European scout has been at every Barca Champions League game this year and it won't go away so you presume there's some real legs in it.

We've also been at a good few Cologne games of late too, reportedly not only watching Hector but Horn, so who knows which way we'll fall.

But it's seeming more and more apparent that the Mingolet contract was more a financial safeguard than anything else for a player who'd be going into his last year next season.
 
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Wait, what? Germany beating Italy? Must be some glitch in the matrix.

They actually quoted that the commentary. 8 times they've met in competitive matches. Germany have never won 1.

Italy under Conte are a shambolic mess though even taking into account the dip in Italian quality. Can well see them doubling up the World Cup embarrassment and crashing out the groups.

Roll on that fella' at Chelsea next season.
 
Our main European scout has been at every Barca Champions League game this year and it won't go away so you presume there's some real legs in it.

We've also been at a good few Cologne games of late too, reportedly not only watching Hector but Horn, so who knows which way we'll fall.

But it's seeming more and more apparent that the Mingolet contract was more a financial safeguard than anything else for a player who'd be going into his last year next season.

Lets hope Mings stays with you lot for a while :D
 
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