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Attempt is one thing, getting it is another thing. Second or losing in semis/finals ultimately wont matter


League CupFA CupLeagueChampions LeagueBid ended
Liverpool (2021-22)WonWonSecondFinal vs Real MadridWill last till at least May 22
Chelsea (2006-07)WonWonSecondSemi-finalsMay 1
Man Utd (2008-09)WonSemi-finalsWonRunners-upApril 19
Man City (2018-19)WonWonWonQuarter-finalsApril 17
Man City (2020-21)WonSemi-finalsWonRunners-upApril 17
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
I would hope not as that was a completely different era and doesn’t happen in this one with the ridiculous levels and financial might at play now.

Thats the context.

Or you can run with our first treble winners in ‘84 as having the greatest ever L’pool season as the league is all encompasing apparently.

‘All trebles are different’ is a belter.
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Really? I'd argue what Chelsea and Abramovich did is much more impactful than what City is doing. He's the one who started the "sugar daddy" trend, and United not only went toe to toe, they were even more successful.
 
Bujakaa92 said:
Attempt is one thing, getting it is another thing. Second or losing in semis/finals ultimately wont matter


League CupFA CupLeagueChampions LeagueBid ended
Liverpool (2021-22)WonWonSecondFinal vs Real MadridWill last till at least May 22
Chelsea (2006-07)WonWonSecondSemi-finalsMay 1
Man Utd (2008-09)WonSemi-finalsWonRunners-upApril 19
Man City (2018-19)WonWonWonQuarter-finalsApril 17
Man City (2020-21)WonSemi-finalsWonRunners-upApril 17
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It won’t if you if have a linear, insular view of winning three and not 4. With the league all encompassing. Whilst completely ignoring the unprecedented era of abnormal levels of football consistency we are in and the financial power of the opposition. Aside from playing every single possible game with all but 2 of them having something on them et al.

If I was of that opinion, then L’pool’s first treble winning season in ‘84 would be the clubs greatest as that included league and European Cup. But I aren’t as that side had nothing like the opposition to battle against and the historical levels to consistently to hit week in, week out, as this one has.

We’ll have to agree to disagree but a win Saturday evening tops any other individual season in L’pool’s history for me and stands comparison/ has a serious argument, as the best individual season any clubs ever had with the context around it for me.
 
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Vanjagl said:
Really? I'd argue what Chelsea and Abramovich did is much more impactful than what City is doing. He's the one who started the "sugar daddy" trend, and United not only went toe to toe, they were even more successful.
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Behave mate aye. This one isn’t open to debate.

City have taken that to a whole other level financially. And with L’pol pushing them consistently, both clubs have raised the bar to absurd levels. You have to get 90 plus points to even be in contention for the league now. Its off the charts mental that dwarfs any other era. You just DRAW a game through the season and it now feels like a defeat. Thats the levels these two are running ar. And it will be the exact same next season between those two. And the season after.

That doesn’t diminish at all the Utd/ Arsenal, Utd/ Chelsea PL battles. Or any of Utd’s silverware out of them.

But there’s no comparison to the current financial might of certain teams (and the goes in Europe too with PSG), with Newcastle now disgracefully set to be allowed down the same road. Or the hostorical levels of mad consistency never before seen in English football from two clubs.
 
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Anyway, related to the weekend, I’m pretty **** disappointed with Liverpool over the bus parade Sunday. Which happens to fall upon one of the darkest days in our history. May 29th, 1985 and the tragic events at the Heysel Stadium in Brussels.

I understand the reasons why.

But I’m totally against this and I’m no less disappointed personally. Not having a parade. That needs to happen regardless. We’ve two trophies in the bag already that need parading. Let alone missing out last time through the pandemic. But the date is what doesn't sit right at all.

Liverpool, the Council and everyone else involved just haven’t read the room at all for me. At best, to be having a massive party and be seen to be celebrating on the day 39 deaths are being mourned, that we played a massive part in, is a terrible look. At worst, it’s completely crass and insensitive. (And the club holding its own remembrance in the morning doesn't negate from that.).

It would be like Forest having a party on the 15th. I’d be disgusted and calling them all sorts with that. I’d expect nothing more from Turin and further afield Sunday.

I’m normally gutted to miss the parade after a European Final as we’re still away. As we are this Sunday in Paris. That just is what it is. And I get the issues with finding a date this year with International's et al.

But holding it on May 29th just doesn’t sit at all right with me personally and is a terrible look to send around the World.
 
And then again you can argue that this isn't one of the strongest ever seasons because you have 2 clubs so much better than everyone else, that it raises the question are they really this good or just simply other teams are bad?

In 2007-2008 you had top 3 clubs all above 80 points ( 87, 85, 83) and even 4th was close with 76 points. And you had 3 out of 4 clubs in semi finals of the Champions league, with English final.

Just because numbers are inflated now, doesn't mean Chelsea weren't doing unprecedented things since 2003. They spent 3 times as much in their first season as Manchester United. Then twice as much the following two seasons. Then again 3 times as much. They've spent over 200m in first 5 years of Abramovich. No one did that before.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Anyway, related to the weekend, I’m pretty **** disappointed with Liverpool over the bus parade Sunday. Which happens to fall upon one of the darkest days in our history. May 29th, 1985 and the tragic events at the Heysel Stadium in Brussels.

I understand the reasons why.

But I’m totally against this and I’m no less disappointed personally. Not having a parade. That needs to happen regardless. We’ve two trophies in the bag already that need parading. Let alone missing out last time through the pandemic. But the date is what doesn't sit right at all.

Liverpool, the Council and everyone else involved just haven’t read the room at all for me. At best, to be having a massive party and be seen to be celebrating on the day 39 deaths are being mourned, that we played a massive part in, is a terrible look. At worst, it’s completely crass and insensitive. (And the club holding its own remembrance in the morning doesn't negate from that.).

It would be like Forest having a party on the 15th. I’d be disgusted and calling them all sorts with that. I’d expect nothing more from Turin and further afield Sunday.

I’m normally gutted to miss the parade after a European Final as we’re still away. As we are this Sunday in Paris. That just is what it is. And I get the issues with finding a date this year with International's et al.

But holding it on May 29th just doesn’t sit at all right with me personally and is a terrible look to send around the World.
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Although all that said, why we are even having a parade when we’ll never know the highest of highs of staying up with a game to go heck only knows? 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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Currently having a bevvy in Leeds/ Bradford in readiness for a midday flight to the 'Dam, then onto Gay Paree for what will be my 7th European Cup Final. Which all just humbles you and reminds you how exceptionally lucky and privileged you are to have been born a Red and follow this ridiculous behemoth of a football club.

And Gods honest, I'm buzzing as much if not more for this one as I was when I was a wide eyed 11-year-old my first in '84. (Luck of a dad who worked for BR and got cheap rail travel. Although given the ferocity of the violence after, I think still the most frightening day of my life in that regard, that starts what happened a year later sadly in many ways, 'luck' may not be the best verb to use. But that's another story.).

It doesn't get ANY bigger than this. The single biggest game in football. For the single biggest prize.

Guardiola might, rightly, class City as PL ‘Legends' after yet another title. And the City fans may naturally think the same. But then they've never experienced what it feels like to be champions of a whole Continent!

*Sings ’How would you like to be, a Scouser in Gay Paree
Walking along by the banks of the Seine
Winning the European Cup once again ….. ‘
 
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Gutted ngl moments like this shows the fine margins of football. Sucker punched and then game over with how experienced this Madrid side are. Ahh man this one will hurt for real.
 
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