The Manchester United Thread

[Alcaraz]

Apparently we signed him as no one wanted him..



Falcao's father reveals striker turned down moves to City, Arsenal and Liverpool - Manchester Evening News

Hmm but City were limited by FFP restrictions. Juventus and Serie A simply don't have that much of a pull. Arsenal were late to the party as usual. I suspect Liverpool didn't show much of a concrete interest as they already have Baloltelli and Sturridge and the owners wouldn't have sanctioned Falcao's wages

Interestingly, in the same interview if I am not wrong, Falcao's father mentions how he was all set to go to Real Madrid before they inexplicably pulled the plug. So definitely a bit of good fortune as well

 

[sunilvk7]

Only 'luxury' signing among that lot is Falcao who you definitely did not need. But then again, hard to pass up the opportunity when a player of his quality is available. I just wonder how LVG will fit RVP, Rooney and Falcao onto the pitch at the same time

He would have been a luxury signing had we retained Welbeck and Hernandez. How can we compete in a season with only RVP and Rooney considering their injury record? We have replaced Welbeck and Hernadnez with Falcao, that's a great replacement.

 

[Alcaraz]

The players have strengthened you, i never said they didn't - the signings have been good but for the money spent a CB and a DM had to be brought in

You could argue a RB potentially as well

Di Maria and Falcao are world class, no disputing that but they play naturally in positions where you already have RVP, Rooney and Mata

Hmm I agree with you but to be fair, they did spend a fair bit of time trying to get Vidal and either one of Hummels/Benatia which simply didn't work out. Vidal was always going to be difficult. Dortmund didn't want Hummels to leave. Benatia apparently rejected due to lack of CL. Hard to find other top quality DMs and CBs otherwise

 

[smith123]

It's bad when liverpool fans are questioning your transfers, they must have long forgotten the rafa (except 2 seasons) roy and kenny days.

 

[MANUMAD]

He would have been a luxury signing had we retained Welbeck and Hernandez. How can we compete in a season with only RVP and Rooney considering their injury record? We have replaced Welbeck and Hernadnez with Falcao, that's a great replacement.

Amazing how people sometimes do not want to see/accept the obvious eh?

 

[sunilvk7]

Hmm but City were limited by FFP restrictions. Juventus and Serie A simply don't have that much of a pull. Arsenal were late to the party as usual. I suspect Liverpool didn't show much of a concrete interest as they already have Baloltelli and Sturridge and the owners wouldn't have sanctioned Falcao's wages

Interestingly, in the same interview if I am not wrong, Falcao's father mentions how he was all set to go to Real Madrid before they inexplicably pulled the plug. So definitely a bit of good fortune as well

In the interview I posted his Father mentioned about Madrid.

Btw good excuses. Yeah we all know we can't sign a player if any club is interested.

 

[Alcaraz]

He would have been a luxury signing had we retained Welbeck and Hernandez. How can we compete in a season with only RVP and Rooney considering their injury record? We have replaced Welbeck and Hernadnez with Falcao, that's a great replacement.

Luxury signing is when you strengthen a position where you already have sufficient quality which you did before Falcao in RVP, Rooney and Welbeck. By replacing Welbeck with Falcao, that's precisely a luxury signing


You would have kept Welbeck if Falcao didn't sign. It seems to me like Woody got a call that Falcao was available, realised he couldn't pass up the opportunity and decided to go for him which needed up catalysing the departure of Welbeck

Rooney, RVP and Welbeck would have been good enough to get you through 45 games

 

[MANUMAD]

It's bad when liverpool fans are questioning your transfers, they must have long forgotten the rafa (except 2 seasons) roy and kenny days.

Well, yes.

And in my book anybody who spends 25mil on Lallana has spent 20mil too many and dont get me started about R. Lambert. Balotelli is talented when he is arsed but he's a major risk and he was touted to all and sundry but they were too afraid to touch him (talk about a panic buy from a team WHICH QUITE OBVIOUSLY WANTED RADAMEL!).

 

[sunilvk7]

The players have strengthened you, i never said they didn't - the signings have been good but for the money spent a CB and a DM had to be brought in

You could argue a RB potentially as well

Di Maria and Falcao are world class, no disputing that but they play naturally in positions where you already have RVP, Rooney and Mata

We have signed Rojo who is a CB, Blind who is a DM. Whether they are good enough is for another discussion. Thing is Van Gaal rates them as good enough.

Di Maria's natural position is as winger or as Advanced CM in midfield 3. Mata is behind striker.

Falcao was signed as we let Hernandez and Welbeck go, can't believe how so many ignore this. Without Falcao our strikers would have been Rooney and RVP for whole season and we all know their injury record.

 

[sunilvk7]

Luxury signing is when you strengthen a position where you already have sufficient quality which you did before Falcao in RVP, Rooney and Welbeck. By replacing Welbeck with Falcao, that's precisely a luxury signing


You would have kept Welbeck if Falcao didn't sign. It seems to me like Woody got a call that Falcao was available, realised he couldn't pass up the opportunity and decided to go for him which needed up catalysing the departure of Welbeck

Rooney, RVP and Welbeck would have been good enough to get you through 45 games

Enough said. Again assumption.

Welbeck wanted out from long back as per many journalists.

Luxury signing is signing Falcao even when we had enough cover. Like signing Falcao when we had Rooney Ronaldo Tevez.

 

[Alcaraz]

In the interview I posted his Father mentioned about Madrid.

Btw good excuses. Yeah we all know we can't sign a player if any club is interested.

Hardly excuses. It's pretty much a fact that City wanted to sign him but couldn't due to FFP restrictions. It's also a fact that Arsenal are not the best in the transfer market as seen by their dithering over the years as the article explicitly mentions how they were only interested late on. Admittedly the Liverpool one is based on hypotheticals but I struggle to see why they would be interested strongly when they have Sturridge and Balotelli and FSG have traditionally been cost conscious owners

Also as I said, Madrid wanted to sign him but pulled the plug. Otherwise he would have gone there as his father said. So yeah you did have some good fortune go your way because you wouldn't have been able to beat Madrid

Again don't get me wrong, you did beat off clubs but maybe it's getting more than a little annoying how you keep dragging up old issues by saying that ' Oh person X said we can't sign players if other clubs are interested but look at this HAHAAHA'. Even the most ardent United fan will agree that lack of CL has hurt your pull slightly and perhaps more depending on the perception of the player

 

[LFCMarshall]

We have signed Rojo who is a CB, Blind who is a DM. Whether they are good enough is for another discussion. Thing is Van Gaal rates them as good enough.

Di Maria's natural position is as winger or as Advanced CM in midfield 3. Mata is behind striker.

Falcao was signed as we let Hernandez and Welbeck go, can't believe how so many ignore this. Without Falcao our strikers would have been Rooney and RVP for whole season and we all know their injury record.

I do agree you've had a very good transfer window but you would expect that for the amount of money spent and without doubt your attack is one of the best in world football

I just think the 'we'll score more than you' will have to be used quite often with the defence and defensive side of your midfield you currently have

It will certainly be interesting how LVG fits them all in whilst remaining balanced at the same time

 

[Alcaraz]

Enough said. Again assumption.

Welbeck wanted out from long back as per many journalists.

Luxury signing is signing Falcao even when we had enough cover. Like signing Falcao when we had Rooney Ronaldo Tevez.

Hardly an assumption. Falcao was offered to clubs all around Europe once his move to Madrid broke down. He was desperate to leave Monaco

Exactly luxury signing is when you sign someone despite having adequate cover which you did with RVP, Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez. Welbeck wanted to leave but he could have been convinced to stay. The signing of Falcao catalysted his departure

 

[kitchin75]

if you feed them thay will come

 

[Alcaraz]

Well, yes.

And in my book anybody who spends 25mil on Lallana has spent 20mil too many and dont get me started about R. Lambert. Balotelli is talented when he is arsed but he's a major risk and he was touted to all and sundry but they were too afraid to touch him (talk about a panic buy from a team WHICH QUITE OBVIOUSLY WANTED RADAMEL!).

It's bad when liverpool fans are questioning your transfers, they must have long forgotten the rafa (except 2 seasons) roy and kenny days.

Heres a tip for you guys ... Pretend LFCMarshall is a Derby FC fan and debate on the merits of his pointe alone instead of going to the age old argument of 'But you support Liverpool who are even worse hahahaha'

 

[hughesman]

They have signed many players in the same positions and in those positions you already have 'world class talent'

Yes your signings are world class players but the signings themselves did have a bit of panic buying about them and true problems were not really addressed

Tbf, I think MANUMAD was trying to get at the fact of how hypocritical the media have been, first saying we need to spend big if we have any sort of chance of regaining top spot, which we then do, and then we are criticized for doing exactly what the so called pundits thought we should do as "Manchester United don't buy big money players and are panic buying". They expect us to get the players we need to sort out our problems through money but then think we are in a panic. If we went the other way, the way where we didn't spend big but then don't get criticized for it, we will field youth prospects which we will then fail with and get done for in the papers for not doing what we needed to do in the window. It is the hypocrisy of the media.

And tbf, we signed to MC's which we badly needed, a CB and LB, all of which were our weekest positions, granted we needed another CB with experience ours don't have but other than that it was a great window. We signed Di Maria who can play on the wings and CM as the only decent winger we had before that was Januzai. And we signed Falcao who is a massive name yes and a marquee signing BUT we also sold Welbeck who was unhappy here and Hernandez went to Real and offerd us no advantage if he stayed which leaves us wiith an out of form Rooney and injury prone RVP. To me a good 80% of our problems were fixed.

And on a side note, 5 out of 7 signings we made were young with massive potential, Rojo, Shaw, Herrera and Blind, and that young kid who is now in the youth side. And to massive names who you can't say no to if they came along , and if we did yet again we would have been slaughtered in the press for doing so.

 

[sunilvk7]

I do agree you've had a very good transfer window but you would expect that for the amount of money spent and without doubt your attack is one of the best in world football

I just think the 'we'll score more than you' will have to be used quite often with the defence and defensive side of your midfield you currently have

It will certainly be interesting how LVG fits them all in whilst remaining balanced at the same time

I don't think there was a awesome DM available, CB we could have signed Benatia but Van Gaal wanted left footed CB.

We have signed 2 CMs, 1 CB, 1 winger/CM, 1 ST. We just can't expect to build whole team in a window. It's a process and we are on right track.

 

[MANUMAD]

Luxury signing is when you strengthen a position where you already have sufficient quality which you did before Falcao in RVP, Rooney and Welbeck. By replacing Welbeck with Falcao, that's precisely a luxury signing. You would have kept Welbeck if Falcao didn't sign.

1. Welbeck wanted out. 2. Three WC attacking players are NEVER a luxury. 3. Are you actually suggesting we should have turned him down for 14m euros for a year?!!!

It seems to me like Woody got a call that Falcao was available, realised he couldn't pass up the opportunity and decided to go for him which needed up catalysing the departure of Welbeck

Rooney, RVP and Welbeck would have been good enough to get you through 45 games

1. It took you some time but you finally cracked what happened. Especially since LVG said expressly that what you say is EXACTLY what happened.
2. But we should have turned down one of the best players in the world (for no big money really AND at a time when we OBVIOUSLY have money to burn) according to you ..... righto!
3. Have you seen Welbeck's scoring stats mate? Or Rooney's and RVP's injury stats?


You can (and by all rights it seems a certainty that you WILL) imagine whatever you want but the fact is that we spent all that money to bring (world) class players for the positions we needed. We need(ed) more yes but lets not forget what happened to Spurs trying to integrate all those players last year (most of who are MUCH BETTER than people initially thought).

And you are SCARED SHITLESS that sooner rather than later little teams with no history such as CHELSEA will be put in their place again.

 

[Alcaraz]

I don't think anyone can doubt that United haven't built a solid squad. Still some deficiencies but they will probably be resolved in upcoming windows

 

[MANUMAD]

Heres a tip for you guys ... Pretend LFCMarshall is a Derby FC fan and debate on the merits of his pointe alone instead of going to the age old argument of 'But you support Liverpool who are even worse hahahaha'

Good tip, admittedly!