The Manchester United Thread

damola3 said:
Since when did I ever say that? He certainly isn't a world *** striker. Very good but not world class.
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Did you not? Apologies. You said that many Arsenal players are WC it's hard to keep up.

I do seem to recall you saying something about him being the most technically gifted striker in the league related to assists or something along those lines but I'm too lazy to look back.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Did you not? Apologies. You said that many Arsenal players are WC it's hard to keep up.

I do seem to recall you saying something about him being the most technically gifted striker in the league related to assists or something along those lines but I'm too lazy to look back.
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I said that Özil, Alexis, Cazorla, Koscielny and Cech are world class. How is that saying it's hard to keep up?

Giroud is a technically gifted striker with his feet and not many strikers get 8 league assists in a season. I don't see what's wrong with that statement. He's good with his movement and ability with his feet, while his biggest weakness is speed.
 
zzeezzy said:
I said to your squad not to your first team, although both can be argued pros and cons over Giroud. But Joel Campbell as backup? If you get one injury I'll be intrigued how you deal with it because I can't see you relying on him.

I'm just guessing you'll play Walcott or Alexis there.
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Welbeck is the second backup upfront. He'll definately be back by January. There are plenty of goalscorers in the team. People are acting like a our barren run is a normal thing. Looking at Arsenal over the past few seasons, this couldn't be further from the truth.
 
zzeezzy said:
If that's the case then why even adopt the strategy if you know you won't get one? Aim slightly lower, Bacca/Martinez/Dybala.
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Because he has no idea what the actual strategy is, so he's just sheep repeating media reports with Twitter sources.

50 million can buy you just anybody even with current crazy market, unless its a striker from the few elite clubs.

Teams like Lyon, Napoli, Porto etc. simply can't afford giving up 50 million offers.
 
damola3 said:
This is surely madness? You would rather spend a stupid amount on just a proper, than wait for a world class striker to come available? That's as logical as saying that you should spend 36 million on every half decent prospect. Martial at this stage of development, isn't quality on the pitch. I'm happy with having money than paying for a 19 year old prospect that costed more than Hazard and Alexis. When Walcott and Chamberlain transferred, we took a battering for the transfer fee paid. This transfer fee is so overinflated and risky, that it's naivety in the extreme. You've essentially paid 3 multiple times market value. You don't laugh a bit when losing 36 million big ones!
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You don't understand the context though. I think all united fans would agree that the club ****** it up by waiting until deadline day to make a move for a striker when it was painfully obvious that Rooney was no longer at his peak. In such a scenario, they would rather the club overpay and bring in a striker in and avoid jeopardizing the season instead of leaving money in the bank and Rooney without proper cover. Thats the route Arsenal took and it will be very interesting to see what kind of shenanigans Wenger pulls off to make his tactics work if/when Giroud gets injured

Fee is really inconsequential as United have SO much money. So it really doesn't matter to them if they are to overpay a bit. Better to have an extra player on the pitch rather than money gathering dust in the bank at the best of times particularly when you have so much of it
 
damola3 said:
This is surely madness? You would rather spend a stupid amount on just a proper, than wait for a world class striker to come available? That's as logical as saying that you should spend 36 million on every half decent prospect. Martial at this stage of development, isn't quality on the pitch. I'm happy with having money than paying for a 19 year old prospect that costed more than Hazard and Alexis. When Walcott and Chamberlain transferred, we took a battering for the transfer fee paid. This transfer fee is so overinflated and risky, that it's naivety in the extreme. You've essentially paid 3 multiple times market value. You don't laugh a bit when losing 36 million big ones!
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But he isn't just decent prospect, going by French journos he is very highly rated youngster.

Overpaid? Without a doubt.

Do I care? No. It's not my money and there are no financial constraints on the club and there is money available to improve the team. So why not.

Tell me how does keeping 200M in the bank will help your team on the pitch?

You are just giving one more excuse for Wenger's failure to sign players.
 
I love how the very same people who, just a month ago, were losing their **** about De Gea potentially being sold 5m below his valuation, now suddenly don't care about club blowing out 80 million on a completely unproven target.

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Tyton said:
Because he has no idea what the actual strategy is, so he's just sheep repeating media reports with Twitter sources.

50 million can buy you just anybody even with current crazy market, unless its a striker from the few elite clubs.

Teams like Lyon, Napoli, Porto etc. simply can't afford giving up 50 million offers.
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Napoli rejected a 47 million pound offer for Higuain and said they wanted the release clause. Lyon and Porto don't have world class strikers.
Alcaraz said:
You don't understand the context though. I think all united fans would agree that the club ****** it up by waiting until deadline day to make a move for a striker when it was painfully obvious that Rooney was no longer at his peak. In such a scenario, they would rather the club overpay and bring in a striker in and avoid jeopardizing the season instead of leaving money in the bank and Rooney without proper cover. Thats the route Arsenal took and it will be very interesting to see what kind of shenanigans Wenger pulls off to make his tactics work if/when Giroud gets injured

Fee is really inconsequential as United have SO much money. So it really doesn't matter to them if they are to overpay a bit. Better to have an extra player on the pitch rather than money gathering dust in the bank at the best of times particularly when you have so much of it
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That doesn't really justify buying for the sake of buying a player. All United are doing is increasing a future asking price for any player. Why sell a reliable, international striker on deadline day and pay a world class fee on a prospect?
 
I love how some people can't see difference between losing world class player on cheap and thereby weakening the team and signing youngster for big fee who can go on to become good player.
 
damola3 said:
That doesn't really justify buying for the sake of buying a player. All United are doing is increasing a future asking price for any player. Why sell a reliable, international striker on deadline day and pay a world class fee on a prospect?
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It isn't buying for the sake of buying. They really needed a striker to cover for Rooney. Why did LVG replace Hernandez with Martial? I think that's a question you should ask him and it's a separate issue altogether. Maybe he think Martial will fit his system better than Hernandez

Point is, when you are like United with a ton of money lying in the bank, it makes no sense to shy away from buying a player who can clearly fill a need in your squad and help you won trophies just because you have to overpay. If this was the Aston Villa thread then maybe this whole argument about transfer fees might have some weight but it isn't

Arsenal fans will continuously squabble over transfer fees while it's clubs like United, Chelse and City who will win majority of trophies for the next decade because they don't shy away from spending money and putting quality on the pitch
 
Also with the new TV deal kicking in, foreign clubs will be forcing English clubs to pay through their nose if they want any player regardless of Woody's shenanigans in the transfer market. The new EPL TV deal is a record but it has also caused unprecedented inflation in the market this summer

Very soon buying players for £40m will be the average among the top clubs
 
Alcaraz said:
It isn't buying for the sake of buying. They really needed a striker to cover for Rooney. Why did LVG replace Hernandez with Martial? I think that's a question you should ask him and it's a separate issue altogether. Maybe he think Martial will fit his system better than Hernandez

Point is, when you are like United with a ton of money lying in the bank, it makes no sense to shy away from buying a player who can clearly fill a need in your squad and help you won trophies just because you have to overpay. If this was the Aston Villa thread then maybe this whole argument about transfer fees might have some weight but it isn't

Arsenal fans will continuously squabble over transfer fees while it's clubs like United, Chelse and City who will win majority of trophies for the next decade because they don't shy away from spending money and putting quality on the pitch
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Looking at our spending over the past 3 seasons, we haven't shied away from spending and putting quality on the pitch nor is there a squabbling over transfer fees. There's nothing cheap about a maximum budget of 50 million for a world class striker.
 
Anyone see the Portugal- France friendly last night?

Just curious out of interest with this raging debate how Martial handled the next step in his development with his International debut?

Only saw Ronaldo's saved first half free kick and a beauty free kick winner for France on brief highlights.
 
He only had 10 or so minutes at the end and he barely even got the ball so didn't really see much.
 
damola3 said:
Looking at our spending over the past 3 seasons, we haven't shied away from spending and putting quality on the pitch nor is there a squabbling over transfer fees. There's nothing cheap about a maximum budget of 50 million for a world class striker.
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There is when such strikers cannot be got for such a budget.
 
Mike. said:
There is when such strikers cannot be got for such a budget.
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This is why as Thierry Henry even said, in this market, you have to take gambles on players like Martial.

Because if you don't go for the next best thing potentially, you have to get the best. And to get the best strikers you're going to be paying over £50m in this market.
 
Not to even mention if you sign a young player and they go on to do well no one cares about the fee.

Just look at Luke Shaw as a perfect example. That looks a great piece of business for us now considering how good he is at the age of 20 and how well he is playing. If he stays healthy we'll get another 12-13 seasons at his peak.

Then compare to Chelsea who went with Filipe Luis and ended up selling him. Buying another LB etc.
 
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