The Manchester United Thread

[iNickStuff]

DDG is possibly 6th on my list: Schmeichel, Seaman, VDS, Lehmann, Cech, DDG. And I'm probably missing keepers

Shay Given deserves a nod.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Dude, do you even know what you are arguing? He was world class doesn't mean he will be in PL 11. Rooney was world class for years but that doesn't mean he will be in PL 11, same with so many world class players.

VDS was world class so is De Gea but they won't make PL 11 because great Dane was level above.

I will say it again, the shade of red is the only reason why you think he will be in PL 11.

I know exactly what I'm arguing.

And I can say exactly the same as your last line as you're flippantly throwing at me.

If he'd been playing alongside Keane at Utd, you'd of probably won even more the PL era. That midfield would of been impenetrable.

But again, this is subjective and an asinine debate as your not budging your view. So it's best left.

 

[sunilvk7]

No, because his positioning was horrific. There was a reason he was played as a 10 and performed at his best then. Scholes and Vieira is probably the best combination there. People forget how much ground peak Scholes covered.

Those 3 in a midfield 3 would just kill teams. People forget how good Vieira and Keane were on the ball and just assume they were destroyers. Keane was regarded as one of the best short passers in the game as his passes had perfect weight and direction, in such a way that receiver never had to break his stride.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

No, because his positioning was horrific. There was a reason he was played as a 10 and performed at his best then. Scholes and Vieira is probably the best combination there. People forget how much ground peak Scholes covered.

Completely and utterly disagree if you had that combination that complimented each player.

He and Keane would of been the first names down on Ferguson's team sheet IMHO.

 

[sunilvk7]

I know exactly what I'm arguing.

And I can say exactly the same as your last line as you're flippantly throwing at me.

If he'd been playing alongside Keane at Utd, you'd of probably won even more the PL era. That midfield would of been impenetrable.

But again, this is subjective and an asinine debate as your not budging your view. So it's best left.

Even more in the PL era? Yeah sure.

 

[razielioux]

DDG is possibly 6th on my list: Schmeichel, Seaman, VDS, Lehmann, Cech, DDG. And I'm probably missing keepers

Taibi and Carroll, probably.

 

[Puddz]

So happy about DDG. Would of sucked to see him go to Madrid, but Navas would of softened the blow along with the £25million. But so glad he's staying.

Now we are in a win-win situation with DDG. 1) He's fed up with Real Madrid (reports that he/his agent actually is), and he stays with Man Utd long term. 2) We get better bargaining power next season if Real Madrid still wants him and will most likely get world record keeper sale.

 

[Mike.]

Completely and utterly disagree if you had that combination that complimented each player.

He and Keane would of been the first names down on Ferguson's team sheet IMHO.

No he wouldnt. Scholes RAN United's midfield. Keane was the leader, but Scholes was the heartbeat. We bought players and changed style to make sure Scholes could have maximum impact when his legs went.

 

[sunilvk7]

So happy about DDG. Would of sucked to see him go to Madrid, but Navas would of softened the blow along with the £25million. But so glad he's staying.

Now we are in a win-win situation with DDG. 1) He's fed up with Real Madrid (reports that he/his agent actually is), and he stays with Man Utd long term. 2) We get better bargaining power next season if Real Madrid still wants him and will most likely get world record keeper sale.

Exactly, there is nothing to lose for United and considering our position 11 days ago it's a massive deal. Still can't believe some people can't see that.

Perez is ****** off and his comments are there for all to see. Rumors that Perez and Mendes relationship is not good, De Gea's back up option is the transfer didn't happen was to sign contract as reported by Spanish media.

No one has a clue whether there is a release clause or he wants away after what happened on the last day. Like you said, win win for us.

 

[Alcaraz]

Oh look at all the "I told you so" from people who thought DDG shouldn't be sold.

So, all out of a sudden, sorting your goalkeeper situation before the season starts, is not critical for the club?

Yes he should've been sold and replacement should have been brought, as early as July. Through sheer stroke of luck the transfer didn't work out, and through another stroke of luck, Romero cost you only 2 goals instead of 8. That doesn't change anything. The club still handled this like complete amateurs, but evidently had more luck than brains.

Haha hit the nail on the head there. Great move all round for United and DDG imo but it's more out of sheer luck than any genius on Woody's part

 

[sunilvk7]

 

[sunilvk7]

All these are secondary, 3 points from tomorrow' game is very important for the team morale.

Hopefully De Gea starts and don't want to see the Romero at all.

 

[zzeezzy]

Oh look at all the "I told you so" from people who thought DDG shouldn't be sold.

So, all out of a sudden, sorting your goalkeeper situation before the season starts, is not critical for the club?

Yes he should've been sold and replacement should have been brought, as early as July. Through sheer stroke of luck the transfer didn't work out, and through another stroke of luck, Romero cost you only 2 goals instead of 8. That doesn't change anything. The club still handled this like complete amateurs, but evidently had more luck than brains.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. The club have handled this supremely well and I am delighted that De Gea has signed.

Lets go back to the start of the summer where Real Madrid offered a measly £13m, which was basically an insult to the player and our club. There was no way we were ever selling him for that kind of money.

All along this summer we've set a price and that he wasn't going until that was met. It wasn't until the very last day Madrid met this price with a valuation that included cash and a VERY good experience goalkeeper in Navas. This was a very good deal for United if that went through anyway, make no mistake that we played the cards and they only met them on the last day here.

Now due to Madrid's failings and whatever the **** they done, it didn't even get done on the last day when they offered the valuation we had set all summer. This probably ****** De Gea seriously because he knew that Madrid already had a private agreement with him to get him this summer and not only that, United's valuation that was set all along, was only met on the last day to make this transfer happen.

Ultimately because of this De Gea has signed a new contract, which means that we now have a world-class goalkeeper and our best player for the last two seasons committed to the club again and didn't fall into Madrid's demands. Even if that transfer had of gone through on deadline day it would be of been a great deal for us getting the cash + Navas.

Honestly have no idea how there is luck involved in this whatsoever. Fantastic news for United, best signing we could of done all summer.

 

[epic terrorist]

Whether it is through a slice of luck or expert play by United it matters little, it has worked out great for them and that is all that matters. I have no love for United but even less for Madrid so I am happy that it has worked out, agree with Fergie when he said he would not sell them a virus.

Also just seen clips of the LVG presser on SSN "Luis Van Gaal's Army" haha class

 

[sunilvk7]

ManUtd announced the deal exactly at 12:00. Subtle dig?

 

[Tyton]

Sorry, but this is nonsense. The club have handled this supremely well and I am delighted that De Gea has signed.

Lets go back to the start of the summer where Real Madrid offered a measly £13m, which was basically an insult to the player and our club.

Oh, so now we're back to the narrative that club needs to watch every penny twice. Just few days after 80m on unproven teenager was absolutely fine, because "who cares, we're ******* rich"

Consistency is not your strong suit.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

No he wouldnt. Scholes RAN United's midfield. Keane was the leader, but Scholes was the heartbeat. We bought players and changed style to make sure Scholes could have maximum impact when his legs went.

This is presuming Gerrard wouldn't of been equally as dominating alongside Keane?

You can't say that in anymore absolute terms than I can put the other argument.

Gerrard never had a top class partner outside of Alonso in what, 17 years? And he maybe had 2 or 3 top class teams he played in through all that time. What he achieved for his team and the way he lead them is remarkable in itself. For much of his time almost singlehandedly. Heaven knows how bad L'pool would of been without him? But when he was partnered with Xabi, they clicked and were a ridiculously good midfield combo because of what they both brought to the table. And he played a lot alongside him. He only ended up flourishing in the 10 role out of necessity to the team and the way Rafa went. It's a misnomer to say he was positionally inept as that was down to the freedom successive managers gave him. Gerrard played in a multitude of roles from right back through a second striker and all points in-between and he was highly effective in them all. He was the perfect all round modern day midfielder that was equally as good as Scholes. With the added bonus he could tackle.

We all naturally, whether unconsciously or not, favour our own teams players. But if truth be told there's next to nothing at all to choose between those four modern midfield giants. You could make an excellent case for any 2 of the 4 in a central 2. Or three if you went that way.

Not that you necessarily are, this is more a general point; but I think a lot of Utd fans would appreciate him far better if Ferguson had managed to sign him. Better team. Better players around him taking the workload and full emphasis off him. He was immense at Anfield but in that scenario he'd of been unstoppable. I've no doubt he'd of found a way to accommodate all three. Even in a 4-4-2.

It's all down to personal perception. I'd personally have to have Gerrard in there. You'd go with Scholes which is fine. Both top notch modern day midfielders.

But I take issue that 3 of the 4 were slightly better than the other. They were all on the same top echelon level and all brought different and similar facets to the table and had an equally important influence on their respective teams.

Just one wasn't in as strong a team nor did he have that calibre of teammate alongside him the others did and down to that sadly didn't win half as much as his individual talent and effort should of had him win.

 

[Alcaraz]

Oh, so now we're back to the narrative that club needs to watch every penny twice. Just few days after 80m on unproven teenager was absolutely fine, because "who cares, we're ******* rich"

Consistency is not your strong suit.

The narrative is a strange one really

There was absolutely zero guarentee that DDG would sign a new contract if he did not leave this summer. For the longest period, it appeared as if it's either United get some cash now or let him leave on free next summer.

A monumental **** up happened on deadline day. Mendes got ****** at Madrid and together with DDG signed a new contract. It's really a heavy dose of luck luck involved. How this is being spun as genius on United's part is beyond me

Fantastic deal for United and DDG nonetheless

 

[DMF]

Oh, so now we're back to the narrative that club needs to watch every penny twice. Just few days after 80m on unproven teenager was absolutely fine, because "who cares, we're ******* rich"

Consistency is not your strong suit.

We don't need the money. Which is why selling him for such a measly amount would have made no sense considering playing him, making Champions League and finishing higher in the league would have been worth much more than that fee.

As it turns out, we've now renewed our best player's contract to a) guarantee a massive fee which reflects his true value, or b) keep him at the club longer than anyone had expected.

Spending £50m* on Martial is irrelevant to this deal as a) it's a deal for the future, as van Gaal has confirmed himself, b) it's a position we needed to strengthen.

While there was definitely a bit of luck in this deal, the luck stems from our initial approach that we wouldn't sell under any terms other than our own. That has led to this situation that we have now, that means Manchester United win regardless of what happens in the future.

I really don't see how anyone can find a negative in this from a Man Utd perspective.

 

[dasty]

**** up or not, the very fact that we stick with not selling De Gea peanuts had resulted in us receiving a very good bid from RM, which did not went through due to various reasons, and now him signing to a new deal. Spin it to whatever the **** you want, but the result had shown that we have done well to not sell De Gea for peanuts like what some rival fans had suggested. If we stick that what some "experts" had suggested in here, we would have sold De Gea for an insulting fee, confirming that we are the feeder club for RM and end up signing a second rate goalkeeper (Lloris is nowhere as good as you all think).

And also even if we are ******* rich, that doesn't mean we should sell De Gea for some retarded price because, ermmm, we are ******* rich? Let's make things a bit more simple - just because a multi-millionaire is rich doesn't mean he should sell his property that is valued at 1.5m for 600k, because that is dumb business. Martial is a huge gamble, but it is also a gamble that might pay off (however low the chances the likes of Mirror thinks are). You get financially better by taking risks and not doing dumb businesses, not by doing dumb businesses and not taking risks.