The Manchester United Thread

Scouseinthehouse said:
It's nice and fun now haha, but can you imagine what it'd be like if you lost this tie?

That is a prospect nobody wants to have to deal with lol.
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Yeah I have almost forgotten what big matches are like, Yorkshire derby vs Hull City just is not the same, would not like to be either set of fans if you lost. I think whoever wins this tie will take massive momentum for it given the amount of games you both have.

Also if anyone would care to stop by the Leeds United trophy room we have a league 1 runners up medal although I think Ken Bates may have taken it with him ~@#
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Stop by our trophy room Thursday. That big glittering silvery thing you completed your greatest ever season with in '99 ..... we OWN that.

Big clubs win European Cups. Very big ones (you can stop reading here) retain them.

Mega, uhmmm .... 'average' clubs own an original. (H).
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To be fair it was a lot easier to win then than what it is now. A win was still a win but are you really putting the 4 wins playing pub teams over the year you beat AC Milan? Im not talking the quality of the final opponents either but the competition as a whole. In 1999 we have Barca and Bayern in our group. Then had to beat Inter, Juventus and Bayern again. In 05 Liverpool had a relatively easy group but then had to beat Juventus, Chelsea and AC Milan. 13 games. A much greater achievement. Obviously I dont have to list all your opponents from the 4 other wins but you get my point.

Cant change history, you'll always have 5 and Real Madrid will always have 10, but as a quality competition, it means a lot more winning it in the Champions League era than the European Cup days.
 
It was harder to win the league back then than it was to go and win the European Cup. Back then it was the equivalent of winning the Club World Cup now lol.
 
steveorobbo said:
To be fair it was a lot easier to win then than what it is now. A win was still a win but are you really putting the 4 wins playing pub teams over the year you beat AC Milan? Im not talking the quality of the final opponents either but the competition as a whole. In 1999 we have Barca and Bayern in our group. Then had to beat Inter, Juventus and Bayern again. In 05 Liverpool had a relatively easy group but then had to beat Juventus, Chelsea and AC Milan. 13 games. A much greater achievement. Obviously I dont have to list all your opponents from the 4 other wins but you get my point.

Cant change history, you'll always have 5 and Real Madrid will always have 10, but as a quality competition, it means a lot more winning it in the Champions League era than the European Cup days.
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Joking aside, completely disagree. You can't beat straight knock-out European football. Champions against Champions.

Istanbul was awesome and will never be beaten if we tried. But it still devalued it slightly to me as we weren't Champions of England going in.

The Champions League you can lose half your group games and still qualify. Straight knock-out from round one is a real test. NO margin for error there. Champions League ..... that contains teams finishing as low as 4th in a league. UEFA should be done for false advertising.

Never go back because of the money, but give me the old style European Cup any day of the week over this. The Europa should do away with the groups and go back to a straight knock-out from round one.
 
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epic terrorist said:
..... Also if anyone would care to stop by the Leeds United trophy room we have a league 1 runners up medal although I think Ken Bates may have taken it with him ~@#
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You should and would have a European big one mate if it wasn't for Bayern paying off the ref.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Joking aside, completely disagree. You can't beat straight knock-out European football. Champions against Champions.

Istanbul was awesome and will never be beaten if we tried. But it still devalued it slightly to me as we weren't Champions of England going in.

The Champions League you can lose half your group games and still qualify. Straight knock-out from round one is a real test. NO margin for error there. Champions League ..... that contains teams finishing as low as 4th in a league.

Never go back because of the money, but give me the old style European Cup any day of the week over this. The Europa should do away with the groups and go back to a straight knock-out from round one.
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Yes but when your playing pub teams in those knockout games what does that really mean? Ok they were the Champions of their respective countries but they was on a completely different level and shouldnt have even been on the same pitch. They was like glorified friendly games for a team at the level of Liverpool.

I agree with you about the knockout football though. The Champions League should be a straight knockout but obviously money talks so I cant see that ever happening. I cant see the big clubs wanting that and risk being kicked out after 2 games.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
You should and would have a European big one mate if it wasn't for Bayern paying off the ref.
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Yeah was close in 2001 too, I was there in Spain Mestalla is still one of my favourite grounds to this day and I have been to many. Meh **** happens us being **** has got to many aways I never thought I would get too and crossing grounds off my list.

But back on topic think I will tune in for this one guessing its on normal tv?
 
epic terrorist said:
Yeah was close in 2001 too, I was there in Spain Mestalla is still one of my favourite grounds to this day and I have been to many. Meh **** happens us being **** has got to many aways I never thought I would get too and crossing grounds off my list.

But back on topic think I will tune in for this one guessing its on normal tv?
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bt sport mate
 
steveorobbo said:
Yes but when your playing pub teams in those knockout games what does that really mean? Ok they were the Champions of their respective countries but they was on a completely different level and shouldnt have even been on the same pitch. They was like glorified friendly games for a team at the level of Liverpool....
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Luck of the draw Ste. You got say the Finish or Danish champions early, or someone like Aberdeen it was like a bye. But then we also went out to Tbilisi and Forest the first round, along with CSKA Sofia and Lodz two successive years the third. (Nods to our Polish friend.). All whilst we were tearing it up domestically. The first treble winning season in '84 we had mammoth early round battles with both Bilbao and Benfica.

Some of those names don't sound much cop now. But when it was only one team that qualified and they had to be the best of their Country, often full of the best players as money didn't dictate the transfer market as it does now, there were some very tricky ties.

Become a bit of a myth over time that the old style European Cup was full of easy games.

There were less games to win it, but I think it was levelled out by straight-knockout football with no margin for error.
 
epic terrorist said:
Yeah was close in 2001 too, I was there in Spain Mestalla is still one of my favourite grounds to this day and I have been to many. Meh **** happens us being **** has got to many aways I never thought I would get too and crossing grounds off my list.....
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Same here. My favourite ground in Spain. From an awesome City, to partying with Manolo in his bar the ground before hand, to those steep banked sides that are awesome for atmosphere but scary as all **** if you've got vertigo, lol, Valencia is just brilliant.

Talking of crossing grounds off, a mate went all sneaky on me and ticked Barnet's new ground off Saturday before Palace Sunday when I wasn't down. Wasn't impressed lol.
 
Personally don't think anyone should write off winning a European cup in any era, I mean sure you could get potentially easy ties but it was straight up knockout football. And there was not the stockpiling of talent you get at elite clubs like you do now. You only have to look at some of the unfashionable winners like say Forest, Villa, Steau Bucharest or Red Star. You didn't have scouting networks like you do now either so there were banana skins all over the place especially in not having seeds like you do now. I mean didn't Ajax win it at Wembley against those giants panathaniakos?

But then on the flip side it is hard to win it now especially for clubs not in that elite bracket like Bayern, barce etc. it is different eras but either way you still needed a perfect storm of Quality, Form, injuries etc to win it
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Same here. My favourite ground in Spain. From an awesome City, to partying with Manolo in his bar the ground before hand, to those steep banked sides that are awesome for atmosphere but scary as all **** if you've got vertigo, lol, Valencia is just brilliant.

Talking of crossing grounds off, a mate went all sneaky on me and ticked Barnet's new ground off Saturday before Palace Sunday when I wasn't down. Wasn't impressed lol.
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Yeah the atmosphere is something else, its like old school football atmosphere but then throw in good weather and sangria and everyone is a winner. It is along with the San Siro and Sao Paolo's ground (morumbo I think something like that) my favourite grounds I have watched football in.
 
epic terrorist said:
Personally don't think anyone should write off winning a European cup in any era, I mean sure you could get potentially easy ties but it was straight up knockout football. And there was not the stockpiling of talent you get at elite clubs like you do now. You only have to look at some of the unfashionable winners like say Forest, Villa, Steau Bucharest or Red Star. You didn't have scouting networks like you do now either so there were banana skins all over the place especially in not having seeds like you do now. I mean didn't Ajax win it at Wembley against those giants panathaniakos?

But then on the flip side it is hard to win it now especially for clubs not in that elite bracket like Bayern, barce etc. it is different eras but either way you still needed a perfect storm of Quality, Form, injuries etc to win it
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Its hard to win now even for the elite clubs. Just look at the past winners. No team has ever won the Champions League twice on the trot.
 
******* seriously guys. Pereira doesn't play because Mata is twice as good and before the dumbass red card he was in his best form since he arrived to United. It's called cause and effect.

Every youngster, always the same ****. Januzaj, Pereira, Valera, ******* Wilson. Every youngster who doesn't play is second coming of Pele, and world conspires against them to prevent them from showcasing their amazing talent.

Then they start playing, turn out to be second coming of Tom Cleverley, and you move along proclaiming yet another youngster as genetically modified supertalent, bred in Japanese laboratories from genome of Messi, Ronaldo and Paolo Maldini.

Christ Almighty.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
This is another reason why this is a horrendous draw for both sets of fans.

Whichever loses will never hear the end of it from the other.
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Not really...it's more horrendous for Liverpool fans.

We've beaten Liverpool 4 times now so nothing much to prove. It would only mean something of Liverpool actually go on to win it which is unlikely.

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Legend Incredimaria said:
Not really...it's more horrendous for Liverpool fans.

We've beaten Liverpool 4 times now so nothing much to prove. It would only mean something of Liverpool actually go on to win it which is unlikely.

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Aside from the law of averages suggesting Van Gaal's ridiculous luck against us having to run out sooner rather than later, this is Europe my friend. OUR playground.
 
Tyton said:
******* seriously guys. Pereira doesn't play because Mata is twice as good and before the dumbass red card he was in his best form since he arrived to United. It's called cause and effect.

Every youngster, always the same ****. Januzaj, Pereira, Valera, ******* Wilson. Every youngster who doesn't play is second coming of Pele, and world conspires against them to prevent them from showcasing their amazing talent.

Then they start playing, turn out to be second coming of Tom Cleverley, and you move along proclaiming yet another youngster as genetically modified supertalent, bred in Japanese laboratories from genome of Messi, Ronaldo and Paolo Maldini.

Christ Almighty.
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Actually mata's best form was that august-october period. He was just racking up them stats.

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