The Manchester United Thread

Puddz said:
What if he wins the Premier League and Europa League?
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Effectively 14 points behind with goal difference in the Premier League so how the **** will that even happen? We're not even close.

But the answer is yes regardless, if by some miracle we win something this year we need to part with LVG at the end of this season. Having another year of this dross football will not move us forward. We need a new identity under a new manager for longer than just one season which LVG only has to offer after this one.
 
Eh, we can mock #philosophy all we want, but it does in fact work vs. teams that actually come to win. Otherwise you wouldn't have stellar big game record while having the worst squad of the lot.

It's "park the bus" squad where United consistently struggle. Unfortunately no matter who manager is, there isn't a foolproof way to tactically outmaneuver a team that just sits deep with 10 people. You just need more quality. Mike would probably say you need more tempo, but these things are interconnected. Barca or Bayern can move the ball around at mesmerizing pace, but that's because even the janitor in Barca is more capable with the ball at his feet than the best player at United.

And I'd be wary of theories that, for example, Pochettino comes, changes the style and you're going to magically start crushing teams. You won't, because what works for Spurs doesn't necceserily work for United. People play Spurs to win, but they play United to draw. Big difference.
 
Should go get that Klopp fella'. He'd be the perfect, charismatic, attacking fit fo ...... Ahhhhh, ****, spotted the flaw there. Missed that boat. NM. (H).
 
Tyton said:
It's "park the bus" squad where United consistently struggle. Unfortunately no matter who manager is, there isn't a foolproof way to tactically outmaneuver a team that just sits deep with 10 people. You just need more quality. Mike would probably say you need more tempo, but these things are interconnected. Barca or Bayern can move the ball around at mesmerizing pace, but that's because even the janitor in Barca is more capable with the ball at his feet than the best player at United.

And I'd be wary of theories that, for example, Pochettino comes, changes the style and you're going to magically start crushing teams. You won't, because what works for Spurs doesn't necceserily work for United. People play Spurs to win, but they play United to draw. Big difference.
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But haven't you contradicted yourself here?

I mean so if we roll with this theory that LVG needs better players to break down these teams that park the bus, well he has failed to get the most out of our best players and that is one of the biggest issues in his tenure here, is it not?

Also I'm not sure I can agree with you here on the whole well we don't have the players to play at a quicker tempo to break down these teams. Infact you lost me here as we have proven we can play with good tempo and attack with pace against the better teams like Arsenal, even FC Midgetland at Old Trafford where they were just parking the bus lets be honest.

We can play the way to break down these teams, the fact is we're just not consistent enough to do so.

Also yesterday against West Brom that was one of the clearest examples of LVG's philosophy/system whatever you call it holding us back I've ever seen.

If you're a true United manager and you're down to 10 men in the final 20 minutes 1-0 down, you don't hold on to that result, you try and ****** go for it, we needed points yesterday, yet we showed literally no urgency or any attacking impetus.

LVG's subs were mind boggling and it just shows he doesn't have the right mindset of a United manager. We should be playing to win not playing to not lose by more goals. Who cares if we lost that game 2-0 if we had a go at them with 10 men? Just like West Ham showed and even Liverpool over this weekend. We showed literally nothing other than wanting to lose by 1 goal.
 
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Ohh we need more creativity? Lets just totally neglect our best youth player in Pereira and shove him to the U21's whilst we keep ****** James Weir on the bench. Or even worse, Fellaini marching straight back on the bench after an injury.
 
Pochettino and Ranieri are getting the most out of their players, that's just something LVG is not doing, despite having more funds and better players at his disposal for the most part.

I'm actually surprised no one has linked us with Ranieri, unless I've missed it. My only slight concern would be his age and whether he plans to have much more in the game. If he wins title with Leicester would be perfect time to bow out.
 
zzeezzy said:
Pochettino and Ranieri are getting the most out of their players, that's just something LVG is not doing, despite having more funds and better players at his disposal for the most part.

I'm actually surprised no one has linked us with Ranieri, unless I've missed it. My only slight concern would be his age and whether he plans to have much more in the game. If we wins title with Leicester would be perfect time to bow out.
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I was just having the same discussion on Ranieri with someone. (On bowing out.).

IF he wins his first title with Leicester, he'd be as well calling it quits. Or maybe the Italian job when Conte goes if they'd want him? All things being equal, the chances are Leicester will be back to mid table- lower half the table next year. And there's no European challenge for him there realistically. So he's only going backwards from the miraculous highs of winning Leicester the league if that happens.

Think I'd be bowing out on the one season super season.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Should go get that Klopp fella'. He'd be the perfect, charismatic, attacking fit fo ...... Ahhhhh, ****, spotted the flaw there. Missed that boat. NM. (H).
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You mean the guy who also saw his side fall apart due to an inabilty to break sides down....
 
zzeezzy said:
Pochettino and Ranieri are getting the most out of their players, that's just something LVG is not doing, despite having more funds and better players at his disposal for the most part.

I'm actually surprised no one has linked us with Ranieri, unless I've missed it. My only slight concern would be his age and whether he plans to have much more in the game. If he wins title with Leicester would be perfect time to bow out.
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Moyes used to get the best out of his players...saw how that went.
 
Mourinho is objectively the best manager we can get, only two managers would be a better fit ahead of him: Ancellotti and Guardiola. He's a 3 year manager, but so are the other two, or have people forgotten that?

The simple way you solve that is a with a sporting director: Enter Berta.
 
Mike. said:
Moyes used to get the best out of his players...saw how that went.
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So what's the answer? We're just acceptably rubbish and can't beat smaller teams?

Although lets be honest, the football under Moyes against smaller teams was better than LVG's. I'd take 80 crosses over what I saw yesterday.

LVG really holds his own against the big teams.
 
Mike. said:
Mourinho is objectively the best manager we can get, only two managers would be a better fit ahead of him: Ancellotti and Guardiola. He's a 3 year manager, but so are the other two, or have people forgotten that?

The simple way you solve that is a with a sporting director: Enter Berta.
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Mourinho is only a good fit in terms of short-term success, but I still have serious reservations over him as how he will adapt with the United traditions of playing youth.

I'm really not so keen on having Mourinho, the football won't be much better and we will still be bored out of our minds. I want a manager who can bring the excitement and style of attacking play back to United.

My desperation wants Mourinho more than my reality does.
 
zzeezzy said:
So what's the answer? We're just acceptably rubbish and can't beat smaller teams?

Although lets be honest, the football under Moyes against smaller teams was better than LVG's. I'd take 80 crosses over what I saw yesterday.

LVG really holds his own against the big teams.
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The answer isn't knee jerk reactions to everything that you keep doing.

You move to the end of the season, appoint a manager and dof and reinforce the side.
 
zzeezzy said:
Mourinho is only a good fit in terms of short-term success, but I still have serious reservations over him as how he will adapt with the United traditions of playing youth.

I'm really not so keen on having Mourinho, the football won't be much better and we will still be bored out of our minds. I want a manager who can bring the excitement and style of attacking play back to United.

My desperation wants Mourinho more than my reality does.
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Mourinho may be many things, but he isnt stupid. Chelsea dont have a tradition of youth, United do. And he is capable of attacking football when he wants to be. He played some utterly brilliant stuff at Chelsea (twice) and Madrid.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
I was just having the same discussion on Ranieri with someone. (On bowing out.).

IF he wins his first title with Leicester, he'd be as well calling it quits. Or maybe the Italian job when Conte goes if they'd want him? All things being equal, the chances are Leicester will be back to mid table- lower half the table next year. And there's no European challenge for him there realistically. So he's only going backwards from the miraculous highs of winning Leicester the league if that happens.

Think I'd be bowing out on the one season super season.
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I wouldn't be so sure of Leicester dropping totally off, I mean they could become a real force if their billionaire owners lay down a marker in the summer, keeping their best players and adding to it.

It really depends on what their intentions are, if they sell their best players and don't invest then yes I'd agree. But I'm sure Leicester will try hard to build on this.
 
Mike. said:
Dortmund was his side. the exact same thing happened there. Ditto Mainz.
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You're really trying to diss his work at both? A side he took up from nowhere that naturally hit it's ceiling given their size and resources and a club he took from the doldrums to be the best in Germany until it had key pieces taken from it?

That's a new one.
 
Ranieri counter-attacking 4-4-2, seems more like better fit to me and old-school United. Whether it would work is a different story but just imagine Martial and Mahrez out wide with say Rashford and Rooney (as he is bound to stay eternally) up front.

Stuff of dreams, probably wouldn't work in the modern game at United like it does for Leicester but **** it would be entertaining. :D
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
You're really trying to diss his work at both? A side he took up from nowhere that naturally hit it's ceiling given their size and resources and a club he took from the doldrums to be the best in Germany until it had key pieces taken from it?

That's a new one.
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It's not a new It's an actual flaw in his play, it's what led to the last season falling about. It's not a diss for gods sake. No need to get defensive because he's your manager. Analysis is what I do for a living, **** I got my job based on critiquing Klopp (good and bad).

Christ almighty
 
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