The Manchester United Thread

Scouseinthehouse said:
All you need now are a group of individual players that are better than average.

But as you'd still naturally take the counter view, we'll just it let play out next season under Jose or whomever.
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I have no idea why you'd then make this post then tbh. So I'm going to ignore it.
 
I would replace Carrick, probably with Blind. Which means a ball playing CB (hardest target imo). Need a wide player and maybe a dominant mid. I'd also get Zlatan just for the lols. Striker is the hardest for me, I'd like to see Rooney under Jose, but also he is actually finished? Would rather add goals either side of him first tbh
 
In my FM game, Mourinho got the job and immediately bought Laporte, Icardi and Kongdogbia.

that do ya? :)
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
All you need now are a group of individual players that are better than average.

But as you'd still naturally take the counter view, we'll just it let play out next season under Jose or whomever.
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He's right. The system is what makes a player tick. Lvg's system made di Maria look like a pub player but he looks world class at PSG.

System is more important than individual ability imo. Look at leicester...their only stand out players are mahrez and vardy.

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wkdsoul said:
In my FM game, Mourinho got the job and immediately bought Laporte, Icardi and Kongdogbia.

that do ya? :)
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That shores up the spine of the team. He'd most likely play kongdogbia alongside schniederlin with herrera taking up that no. 10 spot
 
Legend Incredimaria said:
He's right. The system is what makes a player tick. Lvg's system made di Maria look like a pub player but he looks world class at PSG.

System is more important than individual ability imo. Look at leicester...their only stand out players are mahrez and vardy.

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Your problems go a lot deeper than the manager and the way he set's out IMHO. He's spent £300 million or whatever it is on one of the most distinctly average group of players Utd have had in a LONG time. And I don't see how a manager change and adding a few to that will make that much of a difference to where you expect to be. Particularly if De Gea goes. Yeah, there's other up and coming very good goalies out there. But it's still a BIG drop off to everything he's brought the last few years.

But again, it's best left to see how it play's out on the field. You and I have had this discussion before and you don't think your squad is half as mediocre as I do so it's an endless debate.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Your problems go a lot deeper than the manager and the way he set's out IMHO. He's spent £300 million or whatever it is on one of the most distinctly average group of players Utd have had in a LONG time. And I don't see how a manager change and adding a few to that will make that much of a difference to where you expect to be. Particularly if De Gea goes. Yeah, there's other up and coming very good goalies out there. But it's still a BIG drop off to everything he's brought the last few years.

But again, it's best left to see how it play's out on the field. You and I have had this discussion before and you don't think your squad is half as mediocre as I do so it's an endless debate.
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Again with the de gea thing. You see, once mourinho arrives, he will sort out the defence. With a strong defence, we could have mignolet in goal and still keep clean sheets.

As for the average players part, I don't think he spent all of it on average players. I think martial will most likely come up strong...as will memphis. Juan Mata isn't average. Luke shaw is the future of england. Schniderlin was the best DM in the epl before he came to united.

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If LVG goes in the summer, and DDG goes to Real Madrid, expect a turn around from Valdes. Not a long term option but a keeper thats been there and done it and would allow us to concentrate on filling other areas of the team. Possibly with a view to waiting a couple of years until one of the younger lads is ready.
 
Legend Incredimaria said:
Again with the de gea thing. You see, once mourinho arrives, he will sort out the defence. With a strong defence, we could have mignolet in goal and still keep clean sheets.

As for the average players part, I don't think he spent all of it on average players. I think martial will most likely come up strong...as will memphis. Juan Mata isn't average. Luke shaw is the future of england. Schniderlin was the best DM in the epl before he came to united.

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Mou is good but c'mon... hahaha :p

and that would be Matic.
 
wkdsoul said:
Mou is good but c'mon... hahaha :p

and that would be Matic.
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Matic had one good season last season. Schneiderlin was pretty much on par with him in every department while playing for Southampton. Also the season before Schneiderlin was by far the best DM in the league.

Two consistent seasons over Matic's one wins it for me. Where has Matic been this season? Schneiderlin apart from the odd game has been pretty solid.
 
steveorobbo said:
Matic had one good season last season. Schneiderlin was pretty much on par with him in every department while playing for Southampton. Also the season before Schneiderlin was by far the best DM in the league.

Two consistent seasons over Matic's one wins it for me. Where has Matic been this season? Schneiderlin apart from the odd game has been pretty solid.
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He was as good as Schneiderlin in the first season back in the Prem. PFA team of the year etc etc, Chelsea had the best defence by 10 goals that season, I'll take Matic in 14, Morgan in 15, and as Chelsea fecking suck this year, Morgan by default :)

1 - 1.5 Morgan win.... FINISH HIM........
 
Legend Incredimaria said:
Again with the de gea thing. You see, once mourinho arrives, he will sort out the defence. With a strong defence, we could have mignolet in goal and still keep clean sheets.

As for the average players part, I don't think he spent all of it on average players. I think martial will most likely come up strong...as will memphis. Juan Mata isn't average. Luke shaw is the future of england. Schniderlin was the best DM in the epl before he came to united.

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Mingolet would only get you so far as he'd be liable to make at least one screw most every game. And no defence completely shuts down teams consistently to make the 'keeper redundant. So let's not go getting silly there.

Funny the four players you mentioned: We had this conversation yesterday pre-game and two of those four were the only players anyone would take into our squad. And our squad needs a heck of a lot of work to it. De Gea goes without question. As does Shaw. Really like the potential he has. But then he's coming off a horrific injury so it remains to be seen if he's still the same after it. And Martial has great potential. Mata's not average by any means. But he's not a consistent difference maker for the position either. And Schneiderlin's just a solid, rangy DM. Rather develop Can's potential into that role. Smalling was the other one we said we'd take. But that was more by default down to our centre half situation. A good judge of a players worth to me is if you were to put him on the open market, what would the interest be? With Smalling, I doubt you'd get too many serious players interested He's improved a lot. But he's still inconsistent and not half as dominant as is made out a lot of the time.

But that's the overall point IMO. Outside of a handful of good/ very good players, and a WC goalkeeper, the rest is pretty much 'meh' when it comes to a consistent, top level challenge.

But you're not alone. There's quite a few big clubs with a lot of mediocre personnel that consistently costs them. My own included.
 
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Mike. said:
I've been talking about system for the best part of 2 years. When you get this right, it takes the pressure off individual players.
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I remember us having this discussion few years back. Defense is just not the back 4 but it's the whole system. Defend as a team and attack as a team.

Simeone's team is the best example. Without signing anyone he made average defense look like top defense.
 
wkdsoul said:
He was as good as Schneiderlin in the first season back in the Prem. PFA team of the year etc etc, Chelsea had the best defence by 10 goals that season, I'll take Matic in 14, Morgan in 15, and as Chelsea fecking suck this year, Morgan by default :)

1 - 1.5 Morgan win.... FINISH HIM........
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Fair points, but I think your missing one key factor. One of those players played in a side that absolutely hammered the league (for the first half anyway. Then went a bit defensive which would play into his style), the other was in a recently promoted side and has gone through the divisions, while every year upping his game.

PFA team of the year doesnt really count for anything IMO. The big sides are always more likely to contain players than the lower sides. If Matic and Schneiderlin are similar, Matic will 9/10 get the nod (even though IMO it should be the player thats playing just as good in a 'smaller' team).

Again, Chelsea having the best defence by 10 goals. ITS CHELSEA lol. Champions. Arguably have the best GK, Right/Left and Centre backs in the league (Cech/Courtois, Ivanovic, Terry, Azpilicueta).

Also for this season you could argue that if Matic was anywhere near as effective as what he was last season, Chelsea could and probably would have a few more points than they have now.

Taking into acount the teams they play/ed for, and how each player has carried on their form over a few seasons, I'd give it to Schneiderlin. At one point you could maybe argue Schneiderlin appeared better because of Wanyama, but hes gone onto United and pretty much finished where he left Southampton. Even if the team itself has been pretty inconsistent.
 
Do any of you remember that team Fergie took the the UCL finals back in 2011?

If LVG had that team, i don't think we'll finish top half.
 
Mike. said:
I would replace Carrick, probably with Blind. Which means a ball playing CB (hardest target imo). Need a wide player and maybe a dominant mid. I'd also get Zlatan just for the lols. Striker is the hardest for me, I'd like to see Rooney under Jose, but also he is actually finished? Would rather add goals either side of him first tbh
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Blind will never be Carrick's replacement. For all the passing ability Blind is showing, our midfield was easily bypassed when he played as DM. He started well but regressed a lot as the season progressed. Looked better as CB but would like to see him as LB where he will get enough time to pick his pass and his lack of physical presence won't be a big issue.

Or for better he should be a squad player.

Loved Fosu Mensah's performance. He is very good passer of the ball. Him and Smalling as CB would be beasty pair.
 
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