The Manchester United Thread

[Joel`]

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree then. Good luck finding decent refs though

I go with Great Clough's words.

It's not about finding them. If you're not willing to be held accountable to your **** ups, and up your future performance, then you don't deserve your £70k salary.

 

[sunilvk7]

Mike and Jose, ref can't miss players being miles offside, its the linesman and lineman are not professionals. They are part timers if I'm not wrong.

 

[sunilvk7]

As I said, I've not seen the match, so I couldn't judge. when I made that post, those calls were not reported on.
And yes, of course, but in the last two weeks, you've had a fair amount of key decisions go your way, that's all.

Not more than any other team. City were lucky against Sunderland and Arsenal. They made it count against Sunderland and ****** it up against Arsenal. Every team gets decisions, what matters most is how you make use of it.

 

[Joel`]

Mike and Jose, ref can't miss players being miles offside, its the linesman and lineman are not professionals. They are part timers if I'm not wrong.

It's not like Ivanovic was a toenail offside.

 

[sunilvk7]

It's not about finding them. If you're not willing to be held accountable to your **** ups, and up your future performance, then you don't deserve your £70k salary.

Without video technology **** ups will happen again and again. No human can spot everything and get it right.

 

[sunilvk7]

It's not like Ivanovic was a toenail offside.

Linesman fault and like I said they are hardly professionals. That one was clear **** up though as was Young's. But there are times when linesman gets some of the incredible decisions spot on like Richards goal against Swansea, but they rarely gets credit. That time the lady lineswoman got though but week in week out they make some hard decisions but everyone takes it for granted as if decisions are made by robots.

 

[Joel`]

Linesman fault and like I said they are hardly professionals. That one was clear **** up though as was Young's. But there are times when linesman gets some of the incredible decisions spot on like Richards goal against Swansea, but they rarely gets credit. That time the lady lineswoman got though but week in week out they make some hard decisions but everyone takes it for granted as if decisions are made by robots.

They do get praise by commentators and fans at the time it happens, what do you expect, a full 2 page spread for doing their job?

 

[Jak]

Tonight proves the point of decisions 'evening themselves out'. Some weeks you get them, some you don't

 

[Mike.]

As I said, I've not seen the match, so I couldn't judge. when I made that post, those calls were not reported on.
And yes, of course, but in the last two weeks, you've had a fair amount of key decisions go your way, that's all.

I would call the 3 decisions in this game key. Why focus only on the last two weeks though, the season isn't only two weeks.

 

[sunilvk7]

They do get praise by commentators and fans at the time it happens, what do you expect, a full 2 page spread for doing their job?

This is what I said when I posed taking for granted. Doing toughest job and getting most of the decisions under pressure spot on.

Anyways I'm done with this. If FA comes up with any statements on refs it will only complicate things. When refs performs very badly they are demoted to championship level and apart from that I can't see FA doing anything and rightly so.

 

[hughesman]

Guys look, It's the officials that need to be accounted for here, not individual positions such as the Ref or linesman, they are a team and should work as one. Which they clearly don't but equally they don't have all the tools to do so. It's my opinion that the match officials should learn everything from the match officials of Rugby (obvs not the rules of the game, but how they operate and with what they operate) A few examples would be a video ref, linesman running the whole length of the field and staying with each other not just running half the pitch and another ref who is watching what the ref isnt, so mistakes in the game are not missed and if they are it would not be a rarity.

 

[Mike.]

Guys look, It's the officials that need to be accounted for here, not individual positions such as the Ref or linesman, they are a team and should work as one. Which they clearly don't but equally they don't have all the tools to do so. It's my opinion that the match officials should learn everything from the match officials of Rugby (obvs not the rules of the game, but how they operate and with what they operate) A few examples would be a video ref, linesman running the whole length of the field and staying with each other not just running half the pitch and another ref who is watching what the ref isnt, so mistakes in the game are not missed and if they are it would not be a rarity.

Exactly, its very much a team effort. And when you consider the speed of the game is much quicker than rugby, its amazing that changes haven't been made already.

 

[rephlex]

As a rugby fan, a major difference is that the refs in rugby are largely former players, and have the respect of the players on the pitch. Utterly agree about the lack of teamwork though. In my mind, if refs want to discuss things they should be able to book people who want to surround them so they have space to make the right decision and discuss it.

Also those extra officials behind the goal in European games are utterly useless.

 

[Vanjagl]

Again? He's been brilliant for months.

No argue to that. But he was ***** just like 4 or 5 months ago.

 

[Death Ball]

Also those extra officials behind the goal in European games are utterly useless.

And kind of silly. Specially because the other day I heard someone say there could and should be a new referee to see I don't remember what. And then they'll say another one is needed for... I propose a referee monkey hanging from the crossbar to decide what balls crosed the line. And 22 Yodas to hang to each footballer's back. I mean 44, one to the back and one to the chest. I mean 66, add another as hat.

 

[W4FC B3N]

Fully deserved for Wigan IMO (if that matters XD) but we bossed the game for the majority. That last 30 minutes was the longest 30 minutes I've ever had to endure and probably will have to endure ever. Wigans first goal WAS a goal, what De Gea was doing I have no idea, he's a soft ****. Jonny Evans also should have had a red for the late tackle on Maloney (2nd Yellow), but he didn't help in the first goal being disallowed because if anything, he pushed Caldwell on to the goalkeeper.

From where I was sat, I couldn't see the corner leading to our goal was actually a corner, but watching it later, maybe it shouldn't have been. Shaun Maloney is a cracking player and he fully deserved that goal for the shift he put in.

Figueroa did handball it in the box and I don't know whether the linesman had looked away or he was thinking about previously disallowing Wigans goal. Who knows!? But in the end, fully, fully deserved, it's been coming for 7 years/15 games. Manchester United have scored over 45 goals against us over the years and have taken every single point possible until now, funny how a few dodgy decisions can make everyone forget everything else.

Wigan should have won against Chelsea last weekend, I think this is lady luck swinging our way. I have said all season, if we do go down, we'll go down with a bang and that's what we are doing. (McCarthy, McArthur/Alcaraz, Cadwell, Figgy... What a couple of partnerships!)

 

[W4FC B3N]

As a rugby fan, a major difference is that the refs in rugby are largely former players, and have the respect of the players on the pitch. Utterly agree about the lack of teamwork though. In my mind, if refs want to discuss things they should be able to book people who want to surround them so they have space to make the right decision and discuss it.

Also those extra officials behind the goal in European games are utterly useless.

The extra officials/linesmen aren't professional, whereas the refs are. That will be a massive factor in how the officiate the game.

 

[zzeezzy]

I was just wondering who do you guys think is the long term replacement for Nemanja Vidic? At the moment he is only 30 so he has 3 - 4 seasons left maybe?

I know we have players like Smalling, Evans, Jones, do you think one of these is his replacement long term or do you think it will be someone else who we will buy? (For example, Subotic).

Sorry if it a bit out of the blue, I was just bored reading all this talk about officials and wanted some proper United discussion

 

[PZW]

Fully deserved for Wigan IMO (if that matters XD) but we bossed the game for the majority. That last 30 minutes was the longest 30 minutes I've ever had to endure and probably will have to endure ever. Wigans first goal WAS a goal, what De Gea was doing I have no idea, he's a soft ****. Jonny Evans also should have had a red for the late tackle on Maloney (2nd Yellow), but he didn't help in the first goal being disallowed because if anything, he pushed Caldwell on to the goalkeeper.

From where I was sat, I couldn't see the corner leading to our goal was actually a corner, but watching it later, maybe it shouldn't have been. Shaun Maloney is a cracking player and he fully deserved that goal for the shift he put in.

Figueroa did handball it in the box and I don't know whether the linesman had looked away or he was thinking about previously disallowing Wigans goal. Who knows!? But in the end, fully, fully deserved, it's been coming for 7 years/15 games. Manchester United have scored over 45 goals against us over the years and have taken every single point possible until now, funny how a few dodgy decisions can make everyone forget everything else.

Wigan should have won against Chelsea last weekend, I think this is lady luck swinging our way. I have said all season, if we do go down, we'll go down with a bang and that's what we are doing. (McCarthy, McArthur/Alcaraz, Cadwell, Figgy... What a couple of partnerships!)

Yeah, I agree with all of this. Although the refereeing decisions were, quite frankly, terrible, Wigan Athletic deserved the win (their first points taken off Manchester United, according to Match of the Day). It's a fantastic win for Wigan, though, and a massive surprise!

Wigan's first goal should of stood, Johnny Evans should have got a red card, United should have got a goal kick leading to the Wigan goal and they should have got two penalties (one for a Wigan player grabbing onto Danny Welbeck in the box, and one for Maynor Figueroa's blatant handball).

However, at the end of day, you can't control these things and United weren't good enough nor clinical enough. It's all about luck, and although things may not go your way, a loss is still a loss. Does this mean the title race is wide open? I don't think so, but if this means Manchester City go on a form run and Manchester United on a bad run, then who knows?

​- PZW

 

[sunilvk7]

Fully deserved for Wigan IMO (if that matters XD) but we bossed the game for the majority. That last 30 minutes was the longest 30 minutes I've ever had to endure and probably will have to endure ever. Wigans first goal WAS a goal, what De Gea was doing I have no idea, he's a soft ****. Jonny Evans also should have had a red for the late tackle on Maloney (2nd Yellow), but he didn't help in the first goal being disallowed because if anything, he pushed Caldwell on to the goalkeeper.

From where I was sat, I couldn't see the corner leading to our goal was actually a corner, but watching it later, maybe it shouldn't have been. Shaun Maloney is a cracking player and he fully deserved that goal for the shift he put in.

Figueroa did handball it in the box and I don't know whether the linesman had looked away or he was thinking about previously disallowing Wigans goal. Who knows!? But in the end, fully, fully deserved, it's been coming for 7 years/15 games. Manchester United have scored over 45 goals against us over the years and have taken every single point possible until now, funny how a few dodgy decisions can make everyone forget everything else.

Wigan should have won against Chelsea last weekend, I think this is lady luck swinging our way. I have said all season, if we do go down, we'll go down with a bang and that's what we are doing. (McCarthy, McArthur/Alcaraz, Cadwell, Figgy... What a couple of partnerships!)

Why every season you lot play well at this time of the season rather than from the start? Martinez has done nothing but brilliant job and with few good signings he can change Wigan fortunes imo. Lovely style of play too.