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Na get rid of the lot for me. Most probably Young, Januzaj as well. Obvious there not in Mourinho plans.
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Still have a massive soft spot for that kid!
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With glaring MAJOR differences. Klopp came in October. With no pre-season. And spent the whole of that first year with the players he inherited. Coaching them into better footballers. Believing in them. The complete polar opposite of whats going on here. José came in and had the summer, spent a **** load, and is now saying this player and that player isn't good enough and being backed up on here, as this is where we're talking, by the same Utd fans who spent the summer saying how strong the squad was to fight on all fronts for all trophy's this year!
You won't see the best of anyone until the second year. Completely with you there and I wrote earlier in the year as such and being patient as fans. But the thing here from the clubs POV is you don't hire Mourinho to build something. You hire Mourinho to win NOW! Which Utd did in desperastion. And which most everyone in this thread, yourself and a very few others excepted, were full of him doing the summer as the days were counted down to the World record Pogba signing to take his spend over the £150 million mark and take you over the top.
I now find it humous the narrative is changing to 'top 4 at best', or 'next season.' It should be that way no question. But in the context of money spent, massive expectation from the get go, and the very reason you hire Mourinho, to win NOW, as he's shown with immediate turnarounds at all his clubs bar the current new low at Utd, the context of that is being taken out of all proportion and being swung into some completely different 'hope.'
Utd miss the Champions league it's an absolute disaster and complete failure. I don't know how it can be construed as anything else with all the money at play here in the squad.
A squad many who've now flipped the other way were crowing was the best in the league going into the season with finally a top manager to bring you back to prominence.
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Never realised (or just completely forgot over time) Peter Schmeichel (still the best 'keeper the PL's ever seen IMHO) was 28 when he signed for Utd.
Puts it into perspective for all the reactionary idiots calling for Karius (23) to be out of the L'pool side already. Schmeichel was still developing at tiny Hvidovre in Denmark at his age.
Puts it into perspective for all the reactionary idiots calling for Karius (23) to be out of the L'pool side already. Schmeichel was still developing at tiny Hvidovre in Denmark at his age.
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I'm not saying Karius will work out and tbh not seen him play, but I think you can draw parallels with DDG he got so much criticism in the beginning and now he is easily one of the best if not the best in the world. Not saying Karius will be as good as DDG we don't know but Keepers are funny creatures and at 23 he is a baby in terms of age, not everyone can be Buffon.
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Things like this happen with players all the time with players. Never get time to settle or the opportunity to learn without somebody being on their back. Look at Bale at Spurs. Signed him as a left back and never won a game he started for about 2 years. Automatically the blame went on him as a scapegoat. It wasnt until they had a **** load of injuries that he had to play games on the wing and he was a completely different player. The media put that monkey on his back about not winning a game when he starts and it must have been a huge pressure on a kid. Then that gets into his head and understandably affects his performances.
Unfortunately in this day and age people want results straight away. The price tags of players now, demand that they are the finished article straight away. Teams of a certain level and reputation can't afford to allow for mistakes of young players learning their game because of the media scrutiny and the expectations of owners demanding results straight away. Its sad the way its going.
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"We want to win it," says Jose Mourinho on the @EuropaLeague. "We will go step by step and the first step is to qualify." #MUFC
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Great player. For someone so young his game management and control is class. Him and Pusilic are fantastic as are Mor and Dembele.
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If the pitch in the Ukraine is anything like the pictures I've just been looking at tomorrow there's surely no way that game can be played. Putting it back to Friday causes a whole host of difficulties though. Not least if you've travelled out there and aren't staying through to Saturday. But the safety of the players HAS to come first.
Bit late in the day to start slamming UEFA though. Should of raised any concerns back at the group stage draw.
Bit late in the day to start slamming UEFA though. Should of raised any concerns back at the group stage draw.
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Champions League drop downs into the Europa all very favourable this year.
Don't see anyone to fear out of Besiktas, Copenhagen, Lyon, Ludogorets, Monchengladbach, Rostov, Tottenham (you just know Pochetino will try get out of the completion as fast as he can as always the Spring) and Warsaw. (Unless fearing for your life in Warsaw counts?).
Presuming Utd have no problems tomorrow.
Don't see anyone to fear out of Besiktas, Copenhagen, Lyon, Ludogorets, Monchengladbach, Rostov, Tottenham (you just know Pochetino will try get out of the completion as fast as he can as always the Spring) and Warsaw. (Unless fearing for your life in Warsaw counts?).
Presuming Utd have no problems tomorrow.
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Seen a few reports going round in ESPN and the Telegraph that Memphis and Schniederlin are Everton bound. Also that Young and Fellaini will be allowed to leave if offers come in, but only perm deals not loan. Would be happy to see those 4 gone. Also CBJ is likely to come back in Jan after his loan move went south after Wolves sacked there last manager.
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In an exclusive interview with Sky Sports, young Manchester United striker Marcus Rashford lifts the lid on his commitment to success and how Zlatan Ibrahimovic is proving to be the perfect mentor…
For Marcus Rashford, each day at the training ground is an opportunity to learn.
While many boys his age are embarking on their first year at university, the 19-year-old England and Manchester United striker is studying hard at Carrington.
It's tempting to think success comes easily to Rashford. After all, his instant impact at United and rapid rise into the national side has seen him achieve feats never before achieved by footballers as young as him.
But to simply attribute those breakthroughs to some kind of superior natural talent would be to ignore Rashford's commitment to reaching his potential.
From embracing his role out wide to analysing the play of his mentor Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Rashford is dedicated to his aim of becoming the "ultimate centre forward", as he told Geoff Shreeves earlier this year.
Speaking to Sky Sports again a few months on, kitted out for a training session in Nike Football training apparel, his enthusiasm remains. "It's an important part of the game," he said of United's training ground work. "We have a lot of great sessions and it's important we keep them fun because that's the best way to learn in my opinion.
"If the training sessions are fun you get what you want to get out of them.”
Come matchdays this season, Rashford has often found himself deployed in a wide role, with superstar summer arrival Ibrahimovic leading the line.
But while Rashford has publicly stated his desire to eventually be a No 9, he is eager to make the most of his time on the wing, using his game-time in the wider role to understand United's attacking play from a new angle.
"Playing out wide is going to help me to develop to play in the middle in the long run," he said. "Looking at the game from a different perspective, it's helping my game a lot.
"When I do get a chance to go in the middle, I find things more natural now. I do think it's helping my game.
"When I've been playing as a winger, there are positions you can put the ball into for the striker and when I go back into the middle I understand those positions more than I did.
"It's not just about showing people what you can do on the ball in those wider positions, it's about gaining the full understanding of each position and what it takes to get that spot.
"Of course, it's different playing wide because you have more defensive responsibilities but that's part of the game and I want to improve those, too.”
With United manager Jose Mourinho favouring a one-man strike force, supported by creative players behind, when Rashford has been handed a central role this term, he has played as a lone forward.
It's a new task for Rashford - but in Ibrahimovic he has the perfect role model.
"Playing as a lone striker is a bit different because you are on your own and obviously it depends on what centre-halves you're playing up against and what their skills are and their characteristics are," he said. "One of the main things I am working on is hold-up play.
"I know my movement in behind is good so if I can get my hold-up play to improve then I'll be a better player.
"But Zlatan has been a big help. He's spoken to us a lot about things he's come up against in the past and you have to listen because he's been there, he's done it and he's won a lot of trophies and that's what we all want to do. It's important we listen and take his advice on board.
"For instance, it's not just about his strength. He puts his body in the right areas and these are things you pick up on. It's about trying to put those things into your own game."
As well as technical and tactical tips, Ibrahimovic also offers his team-mates an example of professionalism. Renowned for his commitment to fitness, the 35-year-old Swede is an advert for sustained success.
It's an approach Rashford admires. "He's looked after his body well since he was a young professional," said the teenager, clearly impressed. "That's why he can still play at this age now. It's a small thing and one that a lot of people don't look at but for him to be playing and still competing at that age is amazing."
Ibrahimovic has scored over 200 goals for club and country across the past five seasons and bagged 12 goals for Manchester United this term. Finishing has always been a specialist subject for the Swede.
It's a strength for Rashford, too. But, in typical style, it's a skill the Englishman continues to hone in training each day, firing shots at David de Gea - "the best 'keeper in the world" - in post-session shooting competitions.
"We work on every type of finishing," he said. "There are some finishes we work on which you might never need. But you never know, so in case it does happen you have to be ready.
"There are some finishes where it's natural but a lot of it is where you've worked and done it that many times it's like you've imagined what you're doing on the game day and have done it before.
"You have to judge in the moment what sort of finish is needed. You don't look for a certain finish because you never know how the game's going to be positioned. But if I can score against David in training I know I can score against anybody.”
It's that mentality that has seen Rashford embrace the big stage, from scoring twice on his Premier League debut against Arsenal in February to becoming the youngest Manchester derby goalscorer when he netted the winner at the Etihad a month later.
"You have to approach every game the same," he says, with maturity beyond his years. "Sometimes that can be difficult with the bigger games because it's a bigger thing for the media to target. But you have to treat everyone the same because everyone wants to beat Manchester United."
That theory of teams raising their game against the 20-time champions of England, particularly at Old Trafford, has been strengthened this season, with underdogs Stoke City, Burnley and West Ham among the teams to have earned Premier League points at United.
While it was a challenge Sir Alex Ferguson's teams regularly found a way to overcome, United have more frequently found themselves caught out over the past three years since his departure.
But new boss Mourinho continues to insist he sees progress from his side this term and, as the club attempts to step up its revival, Rashford believes - with the help of the hard work he and his team-mates are putting in on the training ground - success will soon return.
"United are going through a bit of a transition at the moment," he said. "At times like this every one has to stick together and then come out together on top. We have to concentrate as a team and try to bring home the trophies this season." First-class honours would be ample reward for Rashford's hard work.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ng-ground?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
For Marcus Rashford, each day at the training ground is an opportunity to learn.
While many boys his age are embarking on their first year at university, the 19-year-old England and Manchester United striker is studying hard at Carrington.
It's tempting to think success comes easily to Rashford. After all, his instant impact at United and rapid rise into the national side has seen him achieve feats never before achieved by footballers as young as him.
But to simply attribute those breakthroughs to some kind of superior natural talent would be to ignore Rashford's commitment to reaching his potential.
From embracing his role out wide to analysing the play of his mentor Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Rashford is dedicated to his aim of becoming the "ultimate centre forward", as he told Geoff Shreeves earlier this year.
Speaking to Sky Sports again a few months on, kitted out for a training session in Nike Football training apparel, his enthusiasm remains. "It's an important part of the game," he said of United's training ground work. "We have a lot of great sessions and it's important we keep them fun because that's the best way to learn in my opinion.
"If the training sessions are fun you get what you want to get out of them.”
Come matchdays this season, Rashford has often found himself deployed in a wide role, with superstar summer arrival Ibrahimovic leading the line.
But while Rashford has publicly stated his desire to eventually be a No 9, he is eager to make the most of his time on the wing, using his game-time in the wider role to understand United's attacking play from a new angle.
"Playing out wide is going to help me to develop to play in the middle in the long run," he said. "Looking at the game from a different perspective, it's helping my game a lot.
"When I do get a chance to go in the middle, I find things more natural now. I do think it's helping my game.
"When I've been playing as a winger, there are positions you can put the ball into for the striker and when I go back into the middle I understand those positions more than I did.
"It's not just about showing people what you can do on the ball in those wider positions, it's about gaining the full understanding of each position and what it takes to get that spot.
"Of course, it's different playing wide because you have more defensive responsibilities but that's part of the game and I want to improve those, too.”
With United manager Jose Mourinho favouring a one-man strike force, supported by creative players behind, when Rashford has been handed a central role this term, he has played as a lone forward.
It's a new task for Rashford - but in Ibrahimovic he has the perfect role model.
"Playing as a lone striker is a bit different because you are on your own and obviously it depends on what centre-halves you're playing up against and what their skills are and their characteristics are," he said. "One of the main things I am working on is hold-up play.
"I know my movement in behind is good so if I can get my hold-up play to improve then I'll be a better player.
"But Zlatan has been a big help. He's spoken to us a lot about things he's come up against in the past and you have to listen because he's been there, he's done it and he's won a lot of trophies and that's what we all want to do. It's important we listen and take his advice on board.
"For instance, it's not just about his strength. He puts his body in the right areas and these are things you pick up on. It's about trying to put those things into your own game."
As well as technical and tactical tips, Ibrahimovic also offers his team-mates an example of professionalism. Renowned for his commitment to fitness, the 35-year-old Swede is an advert for sustained success.
It's an approach Rashford admires. "He's looked after his body well since he was a young professional," said the teenager, clearly impressed. "That's why he can still play at this age now. It's a small thing and one that a lot of people don't look at but for him to be playing and still competing at that age is amazing."
Ibrahimovic has scored over 200 goals for club and country across the past five seasons and bagged 12 goals for Manchester United this term. Finishing has always been a specialist subject for the Swede.
It's a strength for Rashford, too. But, in typical style, it's a skill the Englishman continues to hone in training each day, firing shots at David de Gea - "the best 'keeper in the world" - in post-session shooting competitions.
"We work on every type of finishing," he said. "There are some finishes we work on which you might never need. But you never know, so in case it does happen you have to be ready.
"There are some finishes where it's natural but a lot of it is where you've worked and done it that many times it's like you've imagined what you're doing on the game day and have done it before.
"You have to judge in the moment what sort of finish is needed. You don't look for a certain finish because you never know how the game's going to be positioned. But if I can score against David in training I know I can score against anybody.”
It's that mentality that has seen Rashford embrace the big stage, from scoring twice on his Premier League debut against Arsenal in February to becoming the youngest Manchester derby goalscorer when he netted the winner at the Etihad a month later.
"You have to approach every game the same," he says, with maturity beyond his years. "Sometimes that can be difficult with the bigger games because it's a bigger thing for the media to target. But you have to treat everyone the same because everyone wants to beat Manchester United."
That theory of teams raising their game against the 20-time champions of England, particularly at Old Trafford, has been strengthened this season, with underdogs Stoke City, Burnley and West Ham among the teams to have earned Premier League points at United.
While it was a challenge Sir Alex Ferguson's teams regularly found a way to overcome, United have more frequently found themselves caught out over the past three years since his departure.
But new boss Mourinho continues to insist he sees progress from his side this term and, as the club attempts to step up its revival, Rashford believes - with the help of the hard work he and his team-mates are putting in on the training ground - success will soon return.
"United are going through a bit of a transition at the moment," he said. "At times like this every one has to stick together and then come out together on top. We have to concentrate as a team and try to bring home the trophies this season." First-class honours would be ample reward for Rashford's hard work.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ng-ground?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
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Presume your game is still on then?
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Very tricky game all things considered.
The teams in the knockouts are looking like making up the weakest Europa League in a few years. VERY winnable. But you have to successfully navigate these tonight first.
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Out of everyone, I reckon that us Man U fans understand that situation the most. We had the exact same with DDG when he joined, made a fair few errors nad he was getting slammed every game pretty much. Yet look at him now. In the top 2-3 goalkeepers in the world. Just stick with him and have faith is what I tell most fans who knock Karius (although as a United fan I did enjoy his "Goal/Corner Kick" the other week
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..... Karius (although as a United fan I did enjoy his "Goal/Corner Kick" the other week
**** knows what he was doing there, but what's really mad is that was actually the worst thing in a long list of things Anthony Taylor got wrong that day and unbelievably no so called expert has picked up on it. The ball doesn't leave the area. It goes behind on the edge of the area. So it should never of been a corner to Sunderland. Just a retaken goal kick. If they'd scored off the corner, we'd have another 'beachball incident' which should never of stood and all sorts of controversy.