The Manchester United Thread

[zzeezzy]

de gea
rafeal-ferd-vidic-evra
carrick-clevers
valencia-kagawa-young
rooney

thats what i reckon at the min!

Could be or maybe (potentially after our transfer window business has been done)..

De Gea

Rafael-Vidic-Small/Ferd-Alba/Baines

Carrick-L.Bender/Asamoah/Tiote

Valencia-Rooney-Kagawa

Welbeck/Lewandowski

Imagine that, the attack three of Valencia/Rooney/Kagawa could be very dynamic, I hear Kagawa can be very effective cutting in from the flanks as well so I would love this personally.

 

[GodCubed]

Please United get Lewandowski, what a talent that lad is, 4-4-2 Kagawa attack minded Central Mid and Rooney as the second striker up top with Lewandowski as the main striker would be such an awesome pairing, one can dream I guess.

Suicide. a 4-4-2 with Kagawa as a central mid on a permanent basis? Might as well just ask the opposition to rip your midfield apart like tissue paper.

United don't need another striker. Welbeck is already a burgeoning talent, whilst Hernandez is as lethal as ever. All buying Lewandowski will do is block the development of talents like Will Keane, especially when you take into account that Rooney will likely be playing a lone striker role next year.

Just seen on SSN he has 82% pass completion for last 2 seasons.

Uh huh. That's not too remarkable at all, especially considering Dortmund's dominance. Players like Ramsey, Van Der Vaart and Juan Mata all top 87% for this season, and they're in comparatively weaker teams for their league. Even the notoriously killer pass prone Gerrard has a higher success rate.

Don't forget Bender and Subotic/Hummels. Team full of quality - hard to say who is best.

Well quite. It's hard to say who is best in that team, but I think it's pretty safe to say that he wasn't the best player in the league.

 

[zzeezzy]

@GodCubed I said "one can dream" for a reason, I know we have Welbeck and Will Keane (although is he really good enough?). Lewandowski is an amazing player, but it is not realistic admittedly.

Regarding Kagawa's pass completion, that is over two seasons, not one. Although you say the team he is in is very good, Mata has Drogba/Torres to feed, very weak that is. Robin Van Persie for Ramsay... poor chap. Also I would like some actual evidence of them over two seasons before you say they are better, not to forget Kagawa always looks for the forward pass, can't say the same for Ramsay.

 

[Totza]

de gea
rafeal-ferd-vidic-evra
carrick-clevers
valencia-kagawa-young
rooney

thats what i reckon at the min!

No Nani? Cleverley over Scholes? strange..

 

[craig curtis]

No Nani? Cleverley over Scholes? strange..

young is ahead of nani i reckon because of his work rate, and scholes wont play that much maybe will come on to help control games if needed and maybe play against lower teams imo.

 

[GodCubed]

Regarding Kagawa's pass completion, that is over two seasons, not one. Although you say the team he is in is very good, Mata has Drogba/Torres to feed, very weak that is. Robin Van Persie for Ramsay... poor chap. Also I would like some actual evidence of them over two seasons before you say they are better, not to forget Kagawa always looks for the forward pass, can't say the same for Ramsay.

Read what I said again. I said 'comparatively weaker teams for their league'. Which is totally undeniable, since none of them are league champions. Moreover, at no point did I say they were 'better', I just pointed out that an 82% pass completion record really isn't that remarkable. Stop making assumptions and jumping to conclusions.

You want evidence of it over two seasons? Okay then. Ramsey's stats last season were 89.7%, this season 87.3%, giving an average of 88.5%. Likewise, Van der Vaart last season had a completion of 84.2%, and this season 88%, giving an average of 86.1%. Mata, of course, arrived this season, and thus cannot be researched further. Gerrard's poor stats last season lead to him getting an average of 81.75%, lower than Kagawa, but hardly an achievement for the Japanese. Other attacking midfield players that are higher over two seasons include Steven Pienaar, Tomas Rosicky and the mighty Jordi Gomez.

 

[zzeezzy]

Read what I said again. I said 'comparatively weaker teams for their league'. Which is totally undeniable, since none of them are league champions. Moreover, at no point did I say they were 'better', I just pointed out that an 82% pass completion record really isn't that remarkable. Stop making assumptions and jumping to conclusions.

You want evidence of it over two seasons? Okay then. Ramsey's stats last season were 89.7%, this season 87.3%, giving an average of 88.5%. Likewise, Van der Vaart last season had a completion of 84.2%, and this season 88%, giving an average of 86.1%. Mata, of course, arrived this season, and thus cannot be researched further. Gerrard's poor stats last season lead to him getting an average of 81.75%, lower than Kagawa, but hardly an achievement for the Japanese. Other attacking midfield players that are higher over two seasons include Steven Pienaar, Tomas Rosicky and the mighty Jordi Gomez.

I understand your point, but Kagawa is not all about his pass completion rate.. you need to look further, his position is all about key passes feeding the front man etc. Gerrard has played a lot of times deeper more often than not by the way. I honestly think all this is a bit irrelevant, like Jordi Gomez has a slightly better pass completion rate, he is better than Samir Nasri and Shinji Kagawa!

Ramsay always passes sideways more often than not and he does not play Kagawa's position very often, usually deeper like a Central Midfield role.

 

[sunilvk7]

 

[sunilvk7]

Read what I said again. I said 'comparatively weaker teams for their league'. Which is totally undeniable, since none of them are league champions. Moreover, at no point did I say they were 'better', I just pointed out that an 82% pass completion record really isn't that remarkable. Stop making assumptions and jumping to conclusions.
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Yeah 82% is not that great when you see Giggs averaging 79%(and he is one of the worst at United). He tries too many risky passes and flicks, that's one of the reason for low pass completion %. Surely there is big room for improvement, which I think he will at United.

 

[GodCubed]

I understand your point, but Kagawa is not all about his pass completion rate.. you need to look further, his position is all about key passes feeding the front man etc. Gerrard has played a lot of times deeper more often than not by the way. I honestly think all this is a bit irrelevant, like Jordi Gomez has a slightly better pass completion rate, he is better than Samir Nasri and Shinji Kagawa!

Ramsay always passes sideways more often than not and he does not play Kagawa's position very often, usually deeper like a Central Midfield role.

Strawman. I never mentioned anything about the rest of his game. All I did was point out how actually that stat that was first quoted not only means practically nothing but isn't even that impressive. If you'll notice, I've spent about the past 5 pages praising Kagawa.

Even if you discount Ramsey due to that - slightly shaky - hypothesis, there's still plenty of evidence to support my argument.

Very fashion model. Still can't say I'm a huge fan of the shirt, mind.

 

[zzeezzy]

Strawman. I never mentioned anything about the rest of his game. All I did was point out how actually that stat that was first quoted not only means practically nothing but isn't even that impressive. If you'll notice, I've spent about the past 5 pages praising Kagawa.

Sorry :wub:

I think we can safely agree he looks a bit weird in that United kit though, what a horrible design.

 

[sunilvk7]

Very fashion model. Still can't say I'm a huge fan of the shirt, mind.

Yeah, but only positive thing is it is not as atrocious as the rumored ones.

Spoiler

 

[craig curtis]

What did people think to my starting line up for next seas and how close you think it will be, keep in mind that is just with the players we have atm?

 

[sunilvk7]

de gea
rafeal-ferd-vidic-evra
carrick-clevers
valencia-kagawa-young
rooney

thats what i reckon at the min!

I would start Smalling and Vidic as CB and Nani as LW.

Smalling and Vidic would be superb combination.

 

[zzeezzy]

What did people think to my starting line up for next seas and how close you think it will be, keep in mind that is just with the players we have atm?

Pretty spot on if we do not make any more signings (which I fully expect us to do).

Only thing I would say is Scholes will probably start over Cleverley and maybe Smalling over Rio. But he will probably rotate a lot to give people like Cleverley/Anderson/Smalling/Rafael/Jones game time.

 

[GodCubed]

Yeah, but only positive thing is it is not as atrocious as the rumored ones.

Spoiler

My god those are shocking. First one looks like a picnic blanket.

 

[sunilvk7]

My god those are shocking. First one looks like a picnic blanket.

That's the reason when I posted Rio's pic with official jersey, I said not as bad as they looked.

Anyways Nike can't do any worse than this. *looking for positives everywhere *

 

[19-11-08]

What did people think to my starting line up for next seas and how close you think it will be, keep in mind that is just with the players we have atm?

I don't see the point in posting possible starting line ups really; It's hardly like we're going to play one team all season or even one team in the big games.
We already rotate a lot at the minute, Kagawa arriving is just going to increase that.

 

[craig curtis]

I would start Smalling and Vidic as CB and Nani as LW.

Smalling and Vidic would be superb combination.

Yeah i would like to see smalling and vidic would compliment each other well, just gave young the nod due to his work rate recent form and bit better consistency.

 

[craig curtis]

I don't see the point in posting possible starting line ups really; It's hardly like we're going to play one team all season or even one team in the big games.
We already rotate a lot at the minute, Kagawa arriving is just going to increase that.

Just asking mate it is a discuision thread just wanted peoples thought and this is yours, i was thinkin towards first game of season starting team, agree with you tho will be alot of rotation again.