Yeh well why would he go to Juventus then, any club can send him out on loan.
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Yeh well why would he go to Juventus then, any club can send him out on loan.
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Good luck to pogba! great tallent no point him staying if he does not want, wont be great loss united have plenty of young tallent still at the club will free up some wages even if not big amount plus would not be supprised if united did not have some clause in the deal. Just bit of other news jimmy ryan the scout /youth director whas retired, all the best jimmy you have been great servant to united!
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Think agent had more to do with it than money but then again it was still down to money coz thats what agent wanted, wish him look another reason also think scholes and giggs signing helped make up his mind to.He is the modern breed of footballers who love their pay cheques more than the club
What does giggs and scholes have to do with him making his mind.He wont get game time for few years at juventus and we all know this year is the last for scholes and most probably giggs too.He wanted money and he got it now all i hope never becomes what i wanted him to become at United .
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Sorry i just dont think money is the hole reason i blame greedy agent/s more for players wanting to leave clubs fergie has personelly said this himself, dont get me wrong he will be on more money. But even if he gets loaned out to a club i still think he will play more than if stayed at united coz i dont think he would have been loaned out,gutted hes gone but good luck to him!
Kagawa gives United more flexibility
Shinji Kagawa’s transfer to Manchester United is both surprising and unsurprising in certain aspects. It is surprising that United would sign a player who does not naturally fit into a 4-4-2 shape as Kagawa has nearly always played behind the striker in a trademark 4-2-3-1 at Dortmund. It is unsurprising given how United have been linked with high profile attacking midfielders in recent seasons – Mesut Ozil in 2010, Wesley Sneijder in 2011 and Kagawa + a few others this summer. According to reports, United are looking to sign 2 attacking midfielders this summer and this could very well still take place if young Nick Powell signs.
The ultimate goal behind these targets and the eventual signing of Kagawa would be to increase the fluidity in movement as well as make the team more tactically flexible. At the start of this past season, there was an effort to make the side more fluid than in recent seasons and it did work reasonably well but there were some eventual problems which led to the abandonment of the fluid approach for something more direct, especially after Valencia started hitting form. The problems with that early season set up were that Rooney was behaving as a 9 and half instead of an actual number 10, he doesn’t make lateral movement to the flanks; Ashley Young and Nani didn’t really switch flanks too often despite being two footed wingers and without a real natural holder, United were conceding the most number of shots per game in the Premier League until the defensively assured Michael Carrick started playing regularly.
The lack of flexibility was a major problem for United last season. The 4-4-2 was the default system and any move to a 4-2-3-1 was awkward as both Park Ji-Sung and Ryan Giggs didn’t have the best of seasons. This was particularly evident in that crucial clash at the Etihad stadium where Park was used behind Rooney and was dominated by Yaya Toure.
Kagawa is someone that can provide lateral movement from the centre of the pitch and thereby offer more fluidity and link up play with those around him. His role as an attacking midfielder also provides more tactical options for United -
Possibility #1
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This is a very offensive possibility which likely to be seen only when we are looking to break down a very resilient side. It’s possibly the most attacking setup possible with 5 attack minded players and 2 attacking full backs. Carrick is the only one sitting and distributing from a deeper position while a centre back like Evans has been known to run with the ball into the attacking third.
Could be used – In situations where United need goals desperately or are struggling to break down very organized defences. It is not applicable in most games though as the midfield would get overrun.
Possibility #2
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This is the most fluid possibility as it features a very fluid front 4. Rooney plays as a false nine, dropping deep to start attacks while also spearheading the front line. Kagawa can drift towards the flank as Nani and Young drift inwards which facilitates decent level of positional interchange (this will of course take a good amount of time playing together to be implemented perfectly, fluidity doesn’t appear overnight). The full backs can stretch the play by providing width while the double pivot in midfield provides stability with a defensive square of sorts which would serve as the backbone of the side.
Could be used – In most games I suspect even though it won’t happen too often if Valencia stays fit throughout the campaign. The system is still missing a defensively sound player in midfield who can operate as a destroyer (while still having enough passing ability to not be a burden in buildups) which is still a major issue that needs to be solved.
Possibility #3
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You may have noticed that this is more or less the same setup United used in the second half of the season. If Kagawa is to be fitted into this system, it is much more likely (or at least more appropriate) that he will be played as a secondary striker behind Rooney rather than be pushed back into a central midfield position.
Kagawa’s stats do indicate that he is not suited to the central midfield position in the above formation. His pass success rate over the past 2 seasons is a mere 82% while Fletcher, Carrick, Cleverley and Scholes all average around a success rate of 90%. He also prefers to play short passes, a deeper role like that of Scholes requires longer passes. Kagawa also makes a low number of interceptions (0.7 per game) and isn’t very good at tackling. All of this indicates that he shouldn’t be converted to a deeper role.
The system would work well although it isn’t as fluid as other possibilities. Rooney would still get involved when possible, Kagawa will be in his favoured role and Cleverley can link up the play as well. The wingers will be more direct, looking to get past their full backs instead of roaming inside most of the time thereby reducing the dependence on the full backs for width.
The problem of the lack of a ball winner will still be quite evident here, Kagawa doesn’t solve that problem.
Could be used – If United don’t really switch to a 4-2-3-1 on a regular basis this season. But with the interest in attacking midfielders, I do believe the switch to the 4-2-3-1 is more than likely and so this may be used quite rarely.
Conclusion
The signing of Shinji Kagawa does not mean that the need of a midfield destroyer who can help United press has been solved. That issue still remains unsolved (and might remain that way for a while given what Fergie has said to the media in recent times). What Kagawa does provide is more variety in attack which gives the manager more options to change things before and during games. With more flexibility, one can also expect more rotation which will definitely put United in a better position to go after multiple competitions.
Shinji Kagawa’s transfer to Manchester United is both surprising and unsurprising in certain aspects. It is surprising that United would sign a player who does not naturally fit into a 4-4-2 shape as Kagawa has nearly always played behind the striker in a trademark 4-2-3-1 at Dortmund. It is unsurprising given how United have been linked with high profile attacking midfielders in recent seasons – Mesut Ozil in 2010, Wesley Sneijder in 2011 and Kagawa + a few others this summer. According to reports, United are looking to sign 2 attacking midfielders this summer and this could very well still take place if young Nick Powell signs.
The ultimate goal behind these targets and the eventual signing of Kagawa would be to increase the fluidity in movement as well as make the team more tactically flexible. At the start of this past season, there was an effort to make the side more fluid than in recent seasons and it did work reasonably well but there were some eventual problems which led to the abandonment of the fluid approach for something more direct, especially after Valencia started hitting form. The problems with that early season set up were that Rooney was behaving as a 9 and half instead of an actual number 10, he doesn’t make lateral movement to the flanks; Ashley Young and Nani didn’t really switch flanks too often despite being two footed wingers and without a real natural holder, United were conceding the most number of shots per game in the Premier League until the defensively assured Michael Carrick started playing regularly.
The lack of flexibility was a major problem for United last season. The 4-4-2 was the default system and any move to a 4-2-3-1 was awkward as both Park Ji-Sung and Ryan Giggs didn’t have the best of seasons. This was particularly evident in that crucial clash at the Etihad stadium where Park was used behind Rooney and was dominated by Yaya Toure.
Kagawa is someone that can provide lateral movement from the centre of the pitch and thereby offer more fluidity and link up play with those around him. His role as an attacking midfielder also provides more tactical options for United -
Possibility #1
View attachment 250782
This is a very offensive possibility which likely to be seen only when we are looking to break down a very resilient side. It’s possibly the most attacking setup possible with 5 attack minded players and 2 attacking full backs. Carrick is the only one sitting and distributing from a deeper position while a centre back like Evans has been known to run with the ball into the attacking third.
Could be used – In situations where United need goals desperately or are struggling to break down very organized defences. It is not applicable in most games though as the midfield would get overrun.
Possibility #2
View attachment 250783
This is the most fluid possibility as it features a very fluid front 4. Rooney plays as a false nine, dropping deep to start attacks while also spearheading the front line. Kagawa can drift towards the flank as Nani and Young drift inwards which facilitates decent level of positional interchange (this will of course take a good amount of time playing together to be implemented perfectly, fluidity doesn’t appear overnight). The full backs can stretch the play by providing width while the double pivot in midfield provides stability with a defensive square of sorts which would serve as the backbone of the side.
Could be used – In most games I suspect even though it won’t happen too often if Valencia stays fit throughout the campaign. The system is still missing a defensively sound player in midfield who can operate as a destroyer (while still having enough passing ability to not be a burden in buildups) which is still a major issue that needs to be solved.
Possibility #3
View attachment 250784
You may have noticed that this is more or less the same setup United used in the second half of the season. If Kagawa is to be fitted into this system, it is much more likely (or at least more appropriate) that he will be played as a secondary striker behind Rooney rather than be pushed back into a central midfield position.
Kagawa’s stats do indicate that he is not suited to the central midfield position in the above formation. His pass success rate over the past 2 seasons is a mere 82% while Fletcher, Carrick, Cleverley and Scholes all average around a success rate of 90%. He also prefers to play short passes, a deeper role like that of Scholes requires longer passes. Kagawa also makes a low number of interceptions (0.7 per game) and isn’t very good at tackling. All of this indicates that he shouldn’t be converted to a deeper role.
The system would work well although it isn’t as fluid as other possibilities. Rooney would still get involved when possible, Kagawa will be in his favoured role and Cleverley can link up the play as well. The wingers will be more direct, looking to get past their full backs instead of roaming inside most of the time thereby reducing the dependence on the full backs for width.
The problem of the lack of a ball winner will still be quite evident here, Kagawa doesn’t solve that problem.
Could be used – If United don’t really switch to a 4-2-3-1 on a regular basis this season. But with the interest in attacking midfielders, I do believe the switch to the 4-2-3-1 is more than likely and so this may be used quite rarely.
Conclusion
The signing of Shinji Kagawa does not mean that the need of a midfield destroyer who can help United press has been solved. That issue still remains unsolved (and might remain that way for a while given what Fergie has said to the media in recent times). What Kagawa does provide is more variety in attack which gives the manager more options to change things before and during games. With more flexibility, one can also expect more rotation which will definitely put United in a better position to go after multiple competitions.
[h=1]Lewandowski linked with United[/h] [h=3]Poland coach says striker will join Red Devils this summer[/h]http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/7800713/Lewandowski-linked-with-United
4-4-2 it is next season then, well it must be. Despite where I am not sure where he will fit, or whether this means Hernandez is going as well as Berba, he is a class player and I am very happy Fergie has signed him, because he will obviously be needed, in Fergie we trust.
4-4-2 it is next season then, well it must be. Despite where I am not sure where he will fit, or whether this means Hernandez is going as well as Berba, he is a class player and I am very happy Fergie has signed him, because he will obviously be needed, in Fergie we trust.
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I think Smuda was lost in translation. He just used Piszczek, Lewandowski and Kuba POSSIBLE transfers as reference to their development.
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To be fair, Smuda's words on Lewandowski going to United are not seen as a story in Poland. Can't see anything on it.
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Smuda: "They have their goals and will do everything to reach it. This is not their limit."
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Franciszek Smuda: "..."Lewy" to Manchester United, Kuba somewhere in England, Piszczek to Real Madrid." 2/2
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Franciszek Smuda on Dortmund trio: "And IN MY OPINION they won't stay long in Dortmund, they will move to the better clubs...." 1/2
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To be fair, Smuda's words on Lewandowski going to United are not seen as a story in Poland. Can't see anything on it.
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Smuda: "They have their goals and will do everything to reach it. This is not their limit."
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Franciszek Smuda: "..."Lewy" to Manchester United, Kuba somewhere in England, Piszczek to Real Madrid." 2/2
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Franciszek Smuda on Dortmund trio: "And IN MY OPINION they won't stay long in Dortmund, they will move to the better clubs...." 1/2
Where do you get this from? I have no idea what this Poland boss meant when he said Lewandowski and Manchester United, unless he means it is his goal to play for us, to be honest I have no idea what to take from it.
Its basic sense. We barely played 4 strikers last year. We just signed an attacking mid, and we are seemingly looking to tie up Modric.
I guess it would be a strange move, but the Poland manager would not just say it, there must be source behind it. Personally I can see Hernandez leaving anyway, not enough to his overall game.
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Modric would make United deadly if he signed.
Great player undoubtedly and I would love to see him, but in a way he is not the no. one priority at the moment. We have someone very similar in Carrick (ok Modric is on another level). We need a versatile Midfield Destroyer before anything else.
The actual story in Poland right now is "Smuda misunderstood in England".
Nothing to see here, move along.
I don't think we need him, already said that, why would we want him when we have Rooney and Welbeck with Hernandez as impact sub. Lewandowski is a very good striker though, admittedly.
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No way is henandez leaving!! Think there is a good chance of us getting modric, and dont know much about this chilean we suppose to be signing!