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dilakh2 said:
Dean Henderson is a first-choice keeper. Why on earth would he sign and compete with another first-choice keeper in De Gea. Backups are backups for a reason they are not good enough to displace the first choice, especially a specialised position like GK were its detrimental to rotate and you want someone permanent between the sticks to gel and communicate with the back four.
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De Gea will be gone by next summer I think, it's the only thing that makes sense. Then you've got Henderson first choice keeper tied down for another 5 years still. 120k doesn't look too bad then.

One thing I really am looking forward to is some authority and communication between goalkeeper and backline, De Gea really lacks any kind of commanding presence in the box. Which for me makes a massive difference to your defence, been saying this for ages, De Gea doesn't give any confidence in the box at all, rarely claims anything.
 
zzeezzy said:
De Gea will be gone by next summer I think, it's the only thing that makes sense. Then you've got Henderson first choice keeper tied down for another 5 years still. 120k doesn't look too bad then.

One thing I really am looking forward to is some authority and communication between goalkeeper and backline, De Gea really lacks any kind of commanding presence in the box. Which for me makes a massive difference to your defence, been saying this for ages, De Gea doesn't give any confidence in the box at all, rarely claims anything.
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That’s what I think will happen. Romero will go this Summer and the DDG likely next. With Henderson taking the number 1 spot then Joel or Kover taking the number 2.
 
zzeezzy said:
De Gea will be gone by next summer I think, it's the only thing that makes sense. Then you've got Henderson first choice keeper tied down for another 5 years still.

One thing I really am looking forward to is some authority and communication between goalkeeper and backline, De Gea really lacks any kind of commanding presence in the box. Which for me makes a massive difference to your defence, been saying this for ages, De Gea doesn't give any confidence in the box at all, rarely claims anything.
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How long is De Gea contract? and the wages he is on coupled with his decline no one is going anywhere near him. You either stick by De Gea and hope his form improves or you sell Dean Henderson and get a good fee for him. Dean Henderson is more than good enough to start for a number of top teams, it makes no sense for him to go out on loan again to prove himself or to sit on the bench for a year when he is more than good enough to start. Personally, for me the only way he signed that contract is if he knows he is first choice which begs the question that having De Gea on the bench with his wages is a black hole itself.
 
dilakh2 said:
How long is De Gea contract? and the wages he is on coupled with his decline no one is going anywhere near him. You either stick by De Gea and hope his form improves or you sell Dean Henderson and get a good fee for him. Dean Henderson is more than good enough to start for a number of top teams, it makes no sense for him to go out on loan again to prove himself or to sit on the bench for a year when he is more than good enough to start. Personally, for me the only way he signed that contract is if he knows he is first choice which begs the question that having De Gea on the bench with his wages is a black hole itself.
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You may have a point about clubs wanting him, but personally felt De Gea has always held himself to a level where he wouldn't outstay his welcome if he knew he wasn't performing. I think he'd want that move away, especially to get back to Spain and live with his wife if this season goes as badly as the last for him. I can't see him sticking around unless he has a massive resurgence of form.
 
First team signings apart. I’m happy with how the end of season has gone so far. 5 great signings for the women’s team. 6 top talents and potentially 2 more signed for the academy plus good loan moves happening. New contract for Henderson. New one for Pogba incoming. And more importantly Sanchez gone.
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
There will be suitors for DDG in Europe no worries about that.
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Ahh, so another Alexis Sanchez situation whereby you have to pay majority of the wages for someone else to take a player off your hands. In case you have forgotten but De Gea is the highest-paid GK out there, you ain't shifting him without doing a Sanchez. I know Z said he hopes personally De Gea will realize he isn't up the task no more but that's wishful thinking for someone to walk away from a contract that was given to him by the club and still has some time to run on it. The whole thing is a mess as you now have another first choice gk on 100k plus on the bench who is going to want game time. This is why a DOF is a must as amateur decisions like this could be avoided.
 
Uhffff so that is 500k a week on two GK + Sergio for maybe 50-100k. Dont get me wrong, Dean is worth around it, a bit less but it might have been only option to hold him in the club, but De Gea situation should be cleared.
 
dilakh2 said:
Dean Henderson is a first-choice keeper. Why on earth would he sign and compete with another first-choice keeper in De Gea. Backups are backups for a reason they are not good enough to displace the first choice, especially a specialised position like GK were its detrimental to rotate and you want someone permanent between the sticks to gel and communicate with the back four.
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It's all part of the grand plan to sell DDG lol.
 
This season should still be fine. Henderson is still untested at the Top-6, mind. He will most likely be a Cup GK initially, taking on the Romero role (who is likely to be moved on). Which is fine. And if DDG regains his confidence, nothing like it. Still prefer him over almost any other GK for pure GK skills (ignoring the Sweeper role).

If not, won't be too much of an issue to sell him on, without taking the brunt of the wages (depends on how Covid goes and club finances). I mean, it's not a Kepa situation where he makes atrocious errors. For DDG, I reckon it is more of a confidence issue. Wages could be a concern, but I'm not as worried as I would be a la Sanchez.

And to be fair, he was in his prime when our defence was leaky AF, so he was facing more shots very regularly. This was something that was reduced last season, making it harder on the concentration, I guess.
 
dilakh2 said:
Ahh, so another Alexis Sanchez situation whereby you have to pay majority of the wages for someone else to take a player off your hands. In case you have forgotten but De Gea is the highest-paid GK out there, you ain't shifting him without doing a Sanchez. I know Z said he hopes personally De Gea will realize he isn't up the task no more but that's wishful thinking for someone to walk away from a contract that was given to him by the club and still has some time to run on it. The whole thing is a mess as you now have another first choice gk on 100k plus on the bench who is going to want game time. This is why a DOF is a must as amateur decisions like this could be avoided.
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It will be interesting to see how that's managed. I do understand the whole situation given Henderson hasn't played for a side that keep a higher defensive line. I voiced my concern over this sometime in Jan: he may look great in a Burnley side that set up with low blocks but how would he fare playing for a side that keeps a high line? How would he fair with the pressure of playing for United? One mistake and he'll get eaten alive (he did make a few mistakes with Burnley mind you).


I can understand the cautious approach here of not putting all our eggs in one basket. DDG will eventually be sold but it's about finding the right replacement first rather than go through a turmoil period of GKs like we did between Schmeichel and VDS. As for selling DDG, he's still quality even though mistakes have crept into his game on a more consistent basis. I don't think we'll get the money we're asking for but he could be part of a player swap.
 
Sherkey said:
This season should still be fine. Henderson is still untested at the Top-6, mind. He will most likely be a Cup GK initially, taking on the Romero role (who is likely to be moved on). Which is fine. And if DDG regains his confidence, nothing like it. Still prefer him over almost any other GK for pure GK skills (ignoring the Sweeper role).

If not, won't be too much of an issue to sell him on, without taking the brunt of the wages (depends on how Covid goes and club finances). I mean, it's not a Kepa situation where he makes atrocious errors. For DDG, I reckon it is more of a confidence issue. Wages could be a concern, but I'm not as worried as I would be a la Sanchez.

And to be fair, he was in his prime when our defence was leaky AF, so he was facing more shots very regularly. This was something that was reduced last season, making it harder on the concentration, I guess.
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You echoed something Mourinho said a couple seasons ago. He stated DDG does tend to switch off when "the action is further away from his goal"
 
zzeezzy said:
De Gea will be gone by next summer I think, it's the only thing that makes sense. Then you've got Henderson first choice keeper tied down for another 5 years still. 120k doesn't look too bad then.

One thing I really am looking forward to is some authority and communication between goalkeeper and backline, De Gea really lacks any kind of commanding presence in the box. Which for me makes a massive difference to your defence, been saying this for ages, De Gea doesn't give any confidence in the box at all, rarely claims anything.
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De Gea's days are numbered now, he definately needs to come out of the blocks fighting now as one mistake and it's Henderson's shirt for the taking. I totally agree about De Gea and the lack of communication. Defenders need to be made aware of more than their own little bubble De Gea has never done that, United have been lucky with the fact that his shot stopping was so good but now the mistakes are creeping into his game.
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
Hopefully that will change with a new CB like Badiashille coming in. We definately played a lot higher last season against most teams. But always tell we was hesitant due to that ball over the top.
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That still won't be helped with Badiashile. Need a proper sweeper-keeper to maintain the high line, while having defenders with pace who can keep up with strikers who poach from the defensive line. And good understanding to maintain an offside trap. It'll take time, not that easy a fix but atleast there is some semblance of improvement.
 
I could actually see this very soon.


"I wouldn't be surprised at some point if Wan-Bissaka moves to centre-back because Laird is just better" | #MUFC

@DanielHarris discussed an exciting prospect coming out of the #MUFC academy | #OTBAM

"Bear in mind this was a youth team that had Mason Greenwood in it, the Liverpool coaches were saying Ethan Laird was the best of that crop of young players."

@DanielHarris
 
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