The Manchester United Thread

Sherkey said:
I'm going on Poch purely on his record for improving players. When was the last time a manager of ours improved players dramatically? Fergie? Also mate, Poch took Tottenham almost to the title and the CL. On minimal spends. I would say he massively over-delivered. He pretty much built the squad that Mourinho is performing with now.

Plus, I would say a style of play is long overdue. Then, you would buy players accordingly. I honestly can't tell you what our current style of play is other than the fact that we counter-attack. We sometimes have a medium press, sometimes no-press. There is no tempo visible. Our CBs sometimes hoof the ball, sometimes try to play out from back. They don't lead the backline and there is barely any defensive organisation. Also, we never know who our starting CMs are - I get functional ones like Fred and McTominay for big games - but weirdly - we use them for games where we should be dominating too (add Matic into this equation). You would argue a lot of this lies at the hand of the coach to improve upon.

So, yeah, I would take Poch, any day. Although, I saw reports of us being linked to Tuchel. Not a particularly big fan of that. Plus, Scouse would have a field day if it happens!

The frightening thing is we kinda have reverted back to the Cantona era, with him serving as a talisman for the team (and almost carrying it through). Oddly similar situation for us with Bruno. Mindblowing impact for us. But honestly, take him out of the equation, and we struggle, massively. Particularly with the fact that van de Beek barely gets games, despite the fact that he is probably among our top 3 midfielders?
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The only thing Poch would bring to me is a style of play. And improve some players. His big game record is terrible and had the worst record against the top 6 sides out of anyone in his tenor in charge. And absolutely blew that title run in when it was all but there’s. Sorry I just don’t think he’s the guy for us to win titles. Saying that no manger is with this board in charge. We might luck the odd trophy here and there but won’t get to be a consistent top team.

If Poch does get the job he won’t get money here either. And our recruiting at first team level is largely poor unlike at Spurs. Plus he won’t have his bestie here to be DOF like at Saints and Spurs. Which is largely overlooked in the Poch discussion. The most I expect if he is appointed is a Style of play and to become the new Arsenal being consistently around 3/4 every season.
 
"and United crashed into that competition due to culmination of naive decisions against a series of more cynical and streetwise opponents"

Yup, OGS' naivety kinda trickles down to the players. We need to realize that nice guys finish last.
 
I'd also add Ole's decision to sub off Alex Telles made no sense for the reasons below

>Luke Shaw was on a yellow
>First game for Shaw in 2 months
>If we're attacking, you're going to need an attacking fullback rather than a defensive one

And guess what? he ended up subbing Shaw off for Williams anyways lol. Naive decision after naive decision. Just a string of them. You could also say we missed Fred in midfield whom I've grown to appreciate even more seeing Mctominay and Matic **** themselves yesterday but we wouldn't be missing him if OGS did the logical thing against PSG and subbed him off.
 
Legend Incredible said:
I'd also add Ole's decision to sub off Alex Telles made no sense for the reasons below

>Luke Shaw was on a yellow
>First game for Shaw in 2 months
>If we're attacking, you're going to need an attacking fullback rather than a defensive one

And guess what? he ended up subbing Shaw off for Williams anyways lol. Naive decision after naive decision. Just a string of them. You could also say we missed Fred in midfield whom I've grown to appreciate even more seeing Mctominay and Matic **** themselves yesterday but we wouldn't be missing him if OGS did the logical thing against PSG and subbed him off.
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I think I saw at somepoint camera pointing to him and seems like he was wondering if he can make more subs :D

But yeah that sub was very strange. Wasted those subs, even James or Mata would have offered a bit more than those two subs.

Another question is pointing to the coaching staff. Are they that innept to give suggestions and point out things to Ole? If these kind of tactical change is done for back 5 and sudden chaos in backline like they never played like this - dont the do it in training sessions?
 
.@ManUtd assistant Mark Dempsey - who worked with manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at Cardiff and Molde before joining him at Old Trafford - is switching to a new role with the club’s Academy. #MUFC

We've also added Rick Ashcroft who will join from Rochdale where he was the Head Of Coaching. He will work with the u14s.

Adam Lawrence will join us from Charlton where has worked for 8 years and was their Head Of Coaching. He will be working with our u16s..
 
Bujakaa92 said:
I think I saw at somepoint camera pointing to him and seems like he was wondering if he can make more subs :D

But yeah that sub was very strange. Wasted those subs, even James or Mata would have offered a bit more than those two subs.

Another question is pointing to the coaching staff. Are they that innept to give suggestions and point out things to Ole? If these kind of tactical change is done for back 5 and sudden chaos in backline like they never played like this - dont the do it in training sessions?
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Problem is we change formation from match to match for god knows whatever reason. Playing a game every 3 days of coarse you ain’t gonna get enough time in training to drill any tactic correctly. Just ****** pick one stick with it and train said tactic. Not rocket science. As for coaches McKenna is a great coach especially in attacking plays. Been praised at all the clubs he’s worked at. Been a key figure in our academies transition and play style. Phelan was talked about glowingly by Fergie as a defensive coach. And all the players left and still here all talk about Carricks knowledge of reading the game. McTominey and especially Fred recently have praised him for there improvements.
 
It’s honestly hard to post anything substantial with Ole in charge, the good, the bad and the ugly, can all be seen in our last two games. The good being that we do have a mentality to fight back in games, but everything else is *****. We are constantly outperformed in games, especially in the first half, the difference is you can’t get away with it against a good team like Leipzig.
 
This board never acts until it’s too late, they honestly probably think we’re going places with Ole. Look at that clown Woodward recent comments, already talking about a long term strategy and backing Ole in the summer, **** off.

Its all just a joke, don’t expect it to change though, they won’t sack him any time soon.
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
Problem is we change formation from match to match for god knows whatever reason. Playing a game every 3 days of coarse you ain’t gonna get enough time in training to drill any tactic correctly. Just ****** pick one stick with it and train said tactic. Not rocket science. As for coaches McKenna is a great coach especially in attacking plays. Been praised at all the clubs he’s worked at. Been a key figure in our academies transition and play style. Phelan was talked about glowingly by Fergie as a defensive coach. And all the players left and still here all talk about Carricks knowledge of reading the game. McTominey and especially Fred recently have praised him for there improvements.
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U dont change it that often. And 5 at back has been played before. Also playeres weaknes are known even to fans. It is known that AWB tucks in more at defense and relies too much on his last minute amazing tackle. Why dont work on it and guide Ole to use tactics that make sense and play on players strenght, thats why they are there. There is reason why world class managers have their specific staff following them, they cant do all the work themselve.

Ofcourse Ole shoul be the main one in blame, but the backstaff is his responsibility also and think theyr work is reflected also on the pitch. Have never heard player saying bad words specificly to backroom coach, ofcourse they praise them. After all they are Machester United veterans. Something is wrong in that communication and department.
 
zzeezzy said:
This board never acts until it’s too late, they honestly probably think we’re going places with Ole. Look at that clown Woodward recent comments, already talking about a long term strategy and backing Ole in the summer, **** off.

Its all just a joke, don’t expect it to change though, they won’t sack him any time soon.
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Welcome back lad as I haven't seen you post in a while.
 
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Bujakaa92 said:
U dont change it that often. And 5 at back has been played before. Also playeres weaknes are known even to fans. It is known that AWB tucks in more at defense and relies too much on his last minute amazing tackle. Why dont work on it and guide Ole to use tactics that make sense and play on players strenght, thats why they are there. There is reason why world class managers have their specific staff following them, they cant do all the work themselve.

Ofcourse Ole shoul be the main one in blame, but the backstaff is his responsibility also and think theyr work is reflected also on the pitch. Have never heard player saying bad words specificly to backroom coach, ofcourse they praise them. After all they are Machester United veterans. Something is wrong in that communication and department.
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Dont know what’s going wrong it’s a mess but I seriously put it down more on Ole. Phelan and McKenna are good coaches. And there’s no doubt that players like McTominey and especially Fred have improved no end working with Carrick.
 
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