The Manchester United Thread

[Legend Incredible]

We have tweaked ours but to far the other way. Last we was pragmatic while being a counter team with one of the best defensive records. This year we have one of the best gl records and worst defensive. Same as our form against the top six it’s completely reversed from last year. Ole needs to find that balance which he will with the players he wants.

OGS hasn't tweaked much lol. We still very much depend on the form of our attacking players. When Bruno hit a bad patch, we were drawing/losing games over recent weeks (could've dropped more points had pogba not hit form)

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

Well that was ***** by the women today. 0-2 loss by Reading who lost there previous 10. 2 shocking gls from set pieces. First loss at home in over 13 months. Ouch!

 

[Legend Incredible]

What Scouse says about system isn't far fetched. Think back to the LVG era when he made us defensively sound with a backline of Rojo, Blind, Smalling,Darmian/Valencia. Blind excelled at CB despite being almost as slow as Maguire and 5"5'. Smalling, of course, was a revelation under him as well. I also thought we got the best version of DDG under the LVG era.


It's a shame he couldn't get the attacking side to click but as a defensive unit, he got us to click.

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

What Scouse says about system isn't far fetched. Think back to the LVG era when he made us defensively sound with a backline of Rojo, Blind, Smalling,Darmian/Valencia. Blind excelled at CB despite being almost as slow as Maguire and 5"5'. Smalling, of course, was a revelation under him as well. I also thought we got the best version of DDG under the LVG era.


It's a shame he couldn't get the attacking side to click but as a defensive unit, he got us to click.

We was clicking as a defensive unit last season but wasn’t scoring. This season it’s the opposite. He needs to find that balance in regards to play and personal. Scouse is wrong we are not just a counter attacking team that can only score on the break in the last 3 matches in scoring more than 12 gls not one has been a hit on the break/counter gl.

Also as the season has gone on our Fbs have definitely got forward more on both sides. More often whenBailly has played tbh. As seen yesterday it’s a mess when they go forward and leave the 2 cart horses at the back.

 

[Legend Incredible]

We was clicking as a defensive unit last season but wasn’t scoring. This season it’s the opposite. He needs to find that balance in regards to play and personal. Scouse is wrong we are not just a counter attacking team that can only score on the break in the last 3 matches in scoring more than 12 gls not one has been a hit on the break/counter gl.

Also as the season has gone on our Fbs have definitely got forward more on both sides. More often whenBailly has played tbh. As seen yesterday it’s a mess when they go forward and leave the 2 cart horses at the back.

Last season? Not really. You forget we kept only 3 clean sheets for the first half of last season?

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

Last season? Not really. You forget we kept only 3 clean sheets for the first half of last season?

As a season in a while we still had one of the best defensive records as a whole joint second I think it was so yeah it was working.

 

[Vanjagl]

Why are the trolls leaving their lairs?

Ok. First goal, what the F, both Maguire and De Gea. You can't play high line with Maguire, DCL isn't the quickest player yet he left Maguire behind in dust with ease. And De Gea with that soft parry. You need to box the F those out of penalty area.
Second goal, after some comical defending, really nice goal from James.
And third goal...spineless defenders. And Maguire yet again at it. Like get him out of defense or defend DEEPER. He's a Titanic, colossal in his appearance yet sinks so easily. Buy a freaking defender and put Maguire as a DM as a replacement for Matic.

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

Why are the trolls leaving their lairs?

Ok. First goal, what the F, both Maguire and De Gea. You can't play high line with Maguire, DCL isn't the quickest player yet he left Maguire behind in dust with ease. And De Gea with that soft parry. You need to box the F those out of penalty area.
Second goal, after some comical defending, really nice goal from James.
And third goal...spineless defenders. And Maguire yet again at it. Like get him out of defense or defend DEEPER. He's a Titanic, colossal in his appearance yet sinks so easily. Buy a freaking defender and put Maguire as a DM as a replacement for Matic.

I was reading somewhere this morning that both Maguire and Linderlof started off as DMs in there academy days.

 

[Vanjagl]

I was reading somewhere this morning that both Maguire and Linderlof started off as DMs in there academy days.

I would put Maguire on the bench honestly. For a such 'exquisite' ball playing defender, his passes are way to heavy. He puts so much pressure on his teammates. Like he only has one gear when deciding how strong he should pass the ball. But he's 80m or whatever defender and there's no chance in **** he'll end up on the bench. He's a liability unless you're playing Liverpool or City and you sit in your box for most of the time. Lindelof is OK as a defender, he's good at reading the game and decent enough in everything else. Same as Bailly who has freakish athleticism but lacks brain from time to time, and the worst thing is - he's so, so injury prone. They both need another defender to hold their hand.

 

[Legend Incredible]

I would put Maguire on the bench honestly. For a such 'exquisite' ball playing defender, his passes are way to heavy. He puts so much pressure on his teammates. Like he only has one gear when deciding how strong he should pass the ball. But he's 80m or whatever defender and there's no chance in **** he'll end up on the bench. He's a liability unless you're playing Liverpool or City and you sit in your box for most of the time. Lindelof is OK as a defender, he's good at reading the game and decent enough in everything else. Same as Bailly who has freakish athleticism but lacks brain from time to time, and the worst thing is - he's so, so injury prone. They both need another defender to hold their hand.

Or you could build a system that masks those weaknesses while amplifying their strengths...

 

[Legend Incredible]

As a season in a while we still had one of the best defensive records as a whole joint second I think it was so yeah it was working.View attachment 536927

I do recall city fans complaining about how fragile their defence was last season yet we conceded one more lol. Fair to say conceding 36 goals in 38 games is not exactly air tight

 

[Legend Incredible]

I guess it's worth pointing out this key fact: The defence is good enough if all we're targeting is a top 4 finish. Conceding 36 in 38 games isn't really a title winning defence.

 

[Vanjagl]

Or you could build a system that masks those weaknesses while amplifying their strengths...

I thought you hate Mourinhoball?

 

[Legend Incredible]

I thought you hate Mourinhoball?

Who says I'm suggesting we park the bus?

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I thought you hate Mourinhoball?

Topical as we played them Wednesday, but Brighton's a great example of a really well organised team out of possession, who always play a very attacking, expansive game with the ball.

Even with your obvious deficiencies personnel-wise, a better coached/ organised side wouldn't be throwing away the game like Utd did last night.

 

[Vanjagl]

Topical as we played them Wednesday, but Brighton's a great example of a really well organised team out of possession, who always play a very attacking, expansive game with the ball.

Even with you're obvious deficiencies personnel-wise, a better coached/ organised side wouldn't be throwing away the game like Utd did last night.

You need to go back to your lair.

But in case you're not trolling - Brighton sat deep in their box when Liverpool had the ball, and then counter-attacked when Liverpool's crosses hit the first man. Similar to United game where Liverpool lost as well with their "amazing football" and "better coached side".

Who says I'm suggesting we park the bus?

Because sitting deep against 90% of the teams is what you get if you want to reduce ( not eliminate!) Maguire's weakness. It's such a glaring weakness, it's so hindering.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Oh, we're back to being petty and anything not remotely positive on Utd being perceived trolling.

Sound. I'll leave you to your playground games. Enjoy your afternoon mate.

 

[Vanjagl]

Oh, we're back to being petty and anything not remotely positive on Utd being perceived trolling.

Sound. I'll leave you to your playground games. Enjoy your afternoon mate.

You too man, I hope you win today.

 

[zzeezzy]

You too man, I hope you win today.

Henderson in defence... I doubt it. But here's hoping for a miracle.

 

[Legend Incredible]

You need to go back to your lair.

But in case you're not trolling - Brighton sat deep in their box when Liverpool had the ball, and then counter-attacked when Liverpool's crosses hit the first man. Similar to United game where Liverpool lost as well with their "amazing football" and "better coached side".


Because sitting deep against 90% of the teams is what you get if you want to reduce ( not eliminate!) Maguire's weakness. It's such a glaring weakness, it's so hindering.

Brighton created more chances with 4 shots on target compared to liverpool's one