The Manchester United Thread

Rumours that we are in conversation with Sangare. If so, that would be good. Unproved in the Prem, but atleast we are actively trying to address a DM sort of signing, which has been needed for multiple windows now.

I'm still not seeing ST as a major issue right now, because I don't know where Ronaldo will go, unless someone does something rather stupid. Napoli potentially (if Osimhen moves to Bayern), but I doubt they'll be able to afford wages. It's a rather strange move by Mendes, so no idea.

But outside of current transfers, if we get 2 midfielders in and still go for a versatile attacker, that will be a pretty decent window. Major concern is still RB, but no movement at all on that, so not sure what is happening there. Plus, who knows, we have a coach who can actually coach, so maybe he will teach the horse new tricks.

I'm not sure about Maguire retaining captaincy though. One would think he would be third choice when everyone is fit (Varane + Martinez start), so it's kinda strange.
I think if we can shift AWB, Telles, Williams a RB will come in. Most likely Dumfries as inter are open to selling for around 30m euros. Apparently Sangare talks are nonsense according to MVerweij. He’s been scouted but not approached in anyway. Which makes sense as ETH doesn’t play a pure DM.
 
If I’ve ever seen an exaggeration, this is it. I’m not even going to address that midfield cos I’d sound like a broken record.

Defensively, we’ve got DDG, whom I’m not even sure is a good fit for a Ten Hag-esque high line (look at the goal we conceded yesterday), 2 right backs that offer next to nothing in the final third, 7 center halves with whom a couple (or maybe 3) spend more time on a physio bed than on the pitch, one with little experience, a new signing, Maguire and Lindelof. Oddly enough, I’m fine with the left back position as Luke Shaw with competition is a different breed of player all together.

Then we have our forward line: 2 center forwards, one that’s extremely streaky and a bit of a mood player (not to mention injury prone) and then there’s Ronaldo. Question marks over Rashford, Elanga is too raw, Diallo isn’t ready, neither is Pellestri so those two might go on loan. So there’s just Sancho, whom I’m expecting to have a huge season.

ETH could get creative and use Bruno as a false 9 but then, we’d need our wingers to bag 15-20 goals each. This goes back to Rashford and him finding form again.

There are just too many variables here with this team besides the midfield which itself is a dumpster fire.
So you don’t think we are in a better way having all the gone players wages off the bill. Better off without the unreliable Cavani. Without the leaker Lingard. Without the circus that is Pogba. Without Henderson sulking on the bench and the constant talk week in week out with who should be number 1. You don’t think we are better off with a massively reduced wage bill. You don’t think we are better off with ETH getting his preferred signings in. It’s not all about signings in team football and squad building it is a lot more complex than that.
 
So you don’t think we are in a better way having all the gone players wages off the bill. Better off without the unreliable Cavani. Without the leaker Lingard. Without the circus that is Pogba. Without Henderson sulking on the bench and the constant talk week in week out with who should be number 1. You don’t think we are better off with a massively reduced wage bill. You don’t think we are better off with ETH getting his preferred signings in. It’s not all about signings in team football and squad building it is a lot more complex than that.
We’ve let those players go, great but we need replacements. if not, we’re stuck with another season of McFred

Depth is going to be important in the upcoming seasons with the WC and the new 5 subs rule.
 
We’ve let those players go, great but we need replacements. if not, we’re stuck with another season of McFred

Depth is going to be important in the upcoming seasons with the WC and the new 5 subs rule.
i agree mate totally. That’s why I said the window is still open to Scouse and more signings are likely. I just think I would rather be starting off from where we are than where we started last season.
 
i agree mate totally. That’s why I said the window is still open to Scouse and more signings are likely. .....

But those signings (if more do arrive) should be in now and away on tour with him mate. They've let ten Hag down massively as much as you keep trying to push Murtogh and co mate.Utd are away for another week right and then the season starts two weeks after. Can anyone honestly see them getting reinforcements done over the next week to at least have a chance to train with the others and start opening day?

Sound that the windows open until September. But that could also be throwing away the first 4 games or so in the race for 4th. (Hypothetical optimism for the sake of a best case season scenario. ).
 
But those signings (if more do arrive) should be in now and away on tour with him mate. They've let ten Hag down massively as much as you keep trying to push Murtogh and co mate.Utd are away for another week right and then the season starts two weeks after. Can anyone honestly see them getting reinforcements done over the next week to at least have a chance to train with the others and start opening day?

Sound that the windows open until September. But that could also be throwing away the first 4 games or so in the race for 4th. (Hypothetical optimism for the sake of a best case season scenario. ).
Unfortunately that can’t always be the case. Especially after how bad we have been run. It’s not been helped by ETH coming in late and deciding his own targets. Also by a lot of the higher ups on the scouting and recruitment level been binned back end of the season. And ETH targets being hard to get for one reason or another. Some our fault some not.

I can totally see what everyone is saying. But after the mess we have been in for years and years people also need to understand that this was never gonna be a smooth window / transition to hopefully something better going forward.
 
Good, thought provoking piece-

Good article but I have a couple gripes with it: It’s not really fair to lump Depay and Blind together as I thought Blind had a really good 2nd season playing at center half under LVG. Sure, he was a bit of lightweight and slow but he made up for it with his technical ability and footballing IQ. He was binned because Jose preferred brute strength and stamina over technical players.


Another thing is the article doesn’t do Marco Van Ginkle any justice there by refusing to even acknowledge the injury he sustained before he saw a football pitch in England. Brilliant talent but was done over unfortunate circumstances.
 
Good article but I have a couple gripes with it: It’s not really fair to lump Depay and Blind together as I thought Blind had a really good 2nd season playing at center half under LVG. Sure, he was a bit of lightweight and slow but he made up for it with his technical ability and footballing IQ. He was binned because Jose preferred brute strength and stamina over technical players.


Another thing is the article doesn’t do Marco Van Ginkle any justice there by refusing to even acknowledge the injury he sustained before he saw a football pitch in England. Brilliant talent but was done over unfortunate circumstances.

I more took that this league isn’t the Dutch league. And leaving a new manager solely in charge of recruitment is never a clever idea.

And we never even mentioned the elephant in the room in Catolonia. Yay us!*^5
 
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Why going Dutch again is a gamble for Manchester United
Erik ten Hag's preference for recruiting from the Eredivisie is a risk – and fans will be hoping history does not repeat itself

By James Ducker. NORTHERN FOOTBALL CORRESPONDENT, IN MELBOURNE17 July 2022 • 8:00am

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Lisandro Martinez is set to join former Ajax manager Erik ten Hag at Old Trafford CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES

Of all the mistakes Manchester United have made in the transfer market since Sir Alex Ferguson retired nine years ago, few dealings have tended to elicit as much regret internally as the summers of 2014 and 2015 when the club placed their faith squarely in their straight-talking Dutch manager and paid a heavy price.

From Robert Lewandowski, Neymar and Thomas Muller to Sadio Mane, N’Golo Kante and Sergio Ramos, Louis van Gaal has been unafraid to reel off the list of players he wanted to bring to Old Trafford, but less willing to reflect on the litany of flops he ended up buying.

Amid the costly gambles on youth (Anthony Martial), experience (Bastian Schweinsteiger) and reputation (Radamel Falcao), United also invested in players who were simply not up to the job, including Morgan Schneiderlin, Matteo Darmian and Marcos Rojo.

But it was Van Gaal’s recruitment of Daley Blind, Memphis Depay and Angel Di Maria that serves as the most interesting talking point now United are once again putting their trust in another Dutch manager with a powerful voice and a very clear idea of how he wants to do things.

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Memphis Depay struggled after he was signed from PSV by Louis van Gaal CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES

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Erik ten Hag has made an encouraging star as United manager but the success of his planned rebuild will depend as much on who he brings in as his innovation on the training ground and, in that regard, fans will hope history does not repeat itself as he treads what for now appears a similar path to Van Gaal.

Effectively forced out at Real Madrid, only three months after being named man-of-the-match in their Champions League final triumph over Atletico Madrid in May 2014, Di Maria never really gave the impression of wanting to move to United and, within less than a year, he was gone.

United may well end up signing Frenkie de Jong and, unlike the personality clash between Van Gaal and Di Maria, the Holland midfielder at least has the experience of working successfully under Ten Hag at Ajax.

Yet the reality is that De Jong is being ousted against his will at Barcelona and has shown little genuine appetite to leave Spain for Manchester. Perhaps that will change once he has experienced United’s warm embrace but it seems a risky starting base for a club who have made a big deal privately about only wanting players who are eager to come.

Di Maria, equally, never got to the grips with the Premier League and, while Ten Hag is convinced De Jong would be a success and is precisely what he needs, United observers will hope he fares a whole lot better than the last Dutch midfielder they brought to the club.

Donny van de Beek has endured a miserable last two years at Old Trafford since his £35 million move from Ajax in 2020 but he is the latest in a long line of players plucked straight from the Dutch Eredivisie who have found the pace, physicality and intensity of the Premier League too much to handle.

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Donny van de Beek has failed to live up to expectations at Old Trafford CREDIT: EPA-EFE/SHUTTERSTOCK

It was the same with Blind and Depay, signed from Ajax and PSV Eindhoven respectively by Van Gaal in the same summer as Di Maria, but it has not stopped United, at Ten Hag’s insistence, from going down the same route this summer. Tyrell Malacia, the Holland left-back, has been signed from Feyenoord for £14.6m and the Argentina defender Lisandro Martiez will complete a £46m move from Ajax once he has undergone a medical and obtained a visa. United are also pursuing another of Ten Hag’s former Ajax players, Brazil forward Antony.

The moves, of course, could be handsomely vindicated and Ten Hag certainly knows those players better than anyone, but it has the look of a club putting all their eggs in one basket when it is hard to believe the recruitment lists United’s scouting department were originally compiling over the past 12 months were laden with players from the Dutch top flight.

Only two players who have moved directly from the Eredivisie to the Premier League over the past decade have been stand-out successes: Georgino Wijnaldum, who left PSV for Newcastle in 2015 before joining Liverpool a year later, and Christian Eriksen. The last time it worked out for United was 2005, when Park Ji Sung arrived from PSV.

Virgil van Dijk is the most successful Dutch player currently playing in the Premier League but even the formidable Liverpool centre-half did not arrive directly from Holland, instead plying his trade with Celtic in Scotland before joining Southampton and then making the leap to the top end of Europe’s most demanding league. Toby Alderweireld, similarly, had the experience of a year in Spain with Atletico Madrid and a season on loan at Southampton before the former Ajax defender transferred to Tottenham in 2015.

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Christian Eriksen played for Ajax earlier on in his career CREDIT: PA

Eriksen, who joined Tottenham from Ajax in 2013 and spent seven years in North London before a move to Inter Milan, has of course now completed a free transfer to United and is another signing with a heavy Dutch influence.

His recovery from the cardiac arrest he suffered playing for Denmark at the European Championships last summer has been remarkable and his form in the final few months of last season from Brentford offered a reminder of his vision, creativity and intelligence on the ball, qualities Ten Hag is desperate to add.

There are numerous other players with promise who moved from the Eredivisie to England who have been decent, such as Dusan Tadic, Nacer Chadli, Davinson Sanchez, Hakim Ziyech, Maya Yoshida, Steven Bergwijn, Erik Pieters, Leroy Fer, Daryl Janmaat and Davy Propper, even if not all lasted the course and none are household names.

But it is arguably easier to list the many players who could not handle the difficult, direct transition, including Davy Klaasen, Siem de Jong, Jordy Clasie, Ron Vlaar and Marko van Ginkel among many others.

The reality is that the Netherlands has simply not provided the same fertile hunting ground for Premier League clubs in recent years as fellow European countries like Portugal and France, two faster, more physical leagues with a deeper pool of players given the success and greater ease with which they have more generally drawn talents from South America and Africa respectively.

Maybe Ten Hag will buck the trend and the Dutch influence at Old Trafford will underpin a transformation, but it will need to be a lot more successful than it was under Van Gaal.
 
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"We are looking for a player who can play in the holding midfield position, that has all the attributes more than just defending" Ten Hag clarified, "but it has to be the right one.

"There are not many in that position capable of the level we demand. When we can’t find him, we have to deal with the players in our squad now and we will develop one in that position."
 
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