The Manchester United Thread

DMF said:
Class of 92 vs Class of 2011 Part 1/7 http://bitURL.net/b2rr #MUFC


Feedback and Comments would be great! :)
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Good read so far, looking forward to whoever you do next. Will say this though i disagree with dea gea getting a 9/10 for ariel ability in the few games i've seen he's been knocked about a bit, and fumbles a couple of crosses. May just be the nerves though.
 
joeere11 said:
Good read so far, looking forward to whoever you do next. Will say this though i disagree with dea gea getting a 9/10 for ariel ability in the few games i've seen he's been knocked about a bit, and fumbles a couple of crosses. May just be the nerves though.
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I gave him 9/10 as you can't just judge him on 3 games for United. I watched videos of him at Atletico for the last 2 days to make sure the ratings were as accurate as I could make them. Watching him at Atletico, his aerial ability was super but his handling not that great hence his low rating for handling. If he goes for a cross he usually gets there first, hence the rating :)
 
DMF said:
Class of 92 vs Class of 2011 Part 1/7 http://bitURL.net/b2rr #MUFC


Feedback and Comments would be great! :)
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Schmeichel's ability at One on one was one of the best ever. The way he charged off the line to cut down the angle was unreal. I would say he is level or 2 above De Gea

I'm not sure how you rated both at 9 for aerial ability. Schmeichel's aerial ability was way way better than any PL keeper. **** he even collected cross with single hand. He was that good..

Only 2 points :)
 
DMF said:
I gave him 9/10 as you can't just judge him on 3 games for United. I watched videos of him at Atletico for the last 2 days to make sure the ratings were as accurate as I could make them. Watching him at Atletico, his aerial ability was super but his handling not that great hence his low rating for handling. If he goes for a cross he usually gets there first, hence the rating :)
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I'll trust your judgement then, didn't really watch him in la liga so I'm just going off 3 games. I'll make a decision after we've played stoke.
 
sunilvk7 said:
Schmeichel's ability at One on one was one of the best ever. The way he charged off the line to cut down the angle was unreal. I would say he is level or 2 above De Gea

I'm not sure how you rated both at 9 for aerial ability. Schmeichel's aerial ability was way way better than any PL keeper. **** he even collected cross with single hand. He was that good..

Only 2 points :)
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With the one on ones, like I said - I studied videos (even watched entire 99 final and Europa League final for them both) and got those ratings. Schmeichel made great saves as did De Gea. De Gea though from what I saw just had the upper hand in that, not to say Schmeichel was terrible though.

Schmeichel's aerial ability was magnificent, hence him getting a high rating but there were a few occasions I saw where he came and missed the ball or it didn't get to him (hence the 9 and not 10). De Gea was calm when collecting the ball and regularly did, but often punched rather then caught which meant I gave him a 9 not a 10. Both very good aerially, but with seperate strengths.
 
De Gea's speed getting up from a save is phenomenal, you need to take that into account as well mate, even do a distribution comparison :)
 
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DMF said:
With the one on ones, like I said - I studied videos (even watched entire 99 final and Europa League final for them both) and got those ratings. Schmeichel made great saves as did De Gea. De Gea though from what I saw just had the upper hand in that, not to say Schmeichel was terrible though.

Schmeichel's aerial ability was magnificent, hence him getting a high rating but there were a few occasions I saw where he came and missed the ball or it didn't get to him (hence the 9 and not 10). De Gea was calm when collecting the ball and regularly did, but often punched rather then caught which meant I gave him a 9 not a 10. Both very good aerially, but with seperate strengths.
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99 was not the season to watch DMF, just watch few matches from 96-98. He was awefuckingsome. I like De Gea but I wouldn't rate him anywhere near Dane's level. **** even I would think twice when rating Casillas, VDS at his level. He was that good.

He punched when he it was impossible to catch, otherwise there is no way he would miss it. His presence was so intimidating.

Maybe you watched few videos and gave your opinions, but IMO De Gea is not even close. We are massively overrating the lad..
 
Right now even based the last two years we cannot even begin to compare De Gea to the Great Dane. There is no comparison
 
of course we can't, its chalk and cheese at the moment but there is massive room for improvement and I think that is where DMF was heading :)
 
The article's about the two different 'classes' of the generations. Obviously one lot have all developed and almost retired by now, but it's still nice to compare the potential of the current crop to '92, as both could prove to be significant era's of Manchester United. And Schmeichel is really there for lack of other comparison for De Gea, it's unfair to compare them. Even when Schmeichel was bought he was 26 (?), a fairer comparison would be them both at 20ish, but I have a feeling archived 80's Brondby footage might be a tad difficult to get. :)

I liked it DMF. :)

EDIT: And Schmeichel didn't have the best of times when he first moved either (Wimbledon etc.) which just further emphasises the point it's unfair to judge him so far. It's clear from his Atletico days that his potential is phenomenal. As great as Schmeichel? We shall see!
 
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There is nothing that De Gea is on par with or better at than Schmeichel (during his United career). There arn't may keepers that have been, specially not a 20 year old thats played a hand full of games for United ;). Wait until the end of next season or more before even thinking about comparing because Pete blows him out of the water right now ;)


P.s DMF - why not compare their goal scoring ability :P Schmeichel would smash him ;)
 
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Joel` said:
The article's about the two different 'classes' of the generations. Obviously one lot have all developed and almost retired by now, but it's still nice to compare the potential of the current crop to '92, as both could prove to be significant era's of Manchester United. And Schmeichel is really there for lack of other comparison for De Gea, it's unfair to compare them. Even when Schmeichel was bought he was 26 (?), a fairer comparison would be them both at 20ish, but I have a feeling archived 80's Brondby footage might be a tad difficult to get. :)

I liked it DMF. :)

EDIT: And Schmeichel didn't have the best of times when he first moved either (Wimbledon etc.) which just further emphasises the point it's unfair to judge him so far. It's clear from his Atletico days that his potential is phenomenal. As great as Schmeichel? We shall see!
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This. I'm not comparing their careers etc because there is no doubt at all that Schmeichel blows him out of the water. It's just to say that De Gea's potential is massive. Also, I didn't really want to compare him to Schmeichel but he is apart of the Class of 11 and Schmeichel was the GK during 95/96 when the Class of 92 came through so there was nobody else to compare him to. I'm not saying he's anywhere near Schmeichel, but attribute wise I think it's pretty accurate (I would seeing as I did it). Everyone is taking the "comparison" a bit too literally.. Which may be my fault for the way I've written it. But, you have to learn so all this feedback is good and will help me to improve.

Average Joe said:
There is nothing that De Gea is on par with or better at than Schmeichel (during his United career). There arn't may keepers that have been, specially not a 20 year old thats played a hand full of games for United ;). Wait until the end of next season or more before even thinking about comparing because Pete blows him out of the water right now ;)
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Look above ^

Also, not fair. Schmeichel was a natural goalscorer ;)
P.s DMF - why not compare their goal scoring ability :P Schmeichel would smash him
 
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Asked about his England contingent, Ferguson said: 'It is fantastic. The FA may realise who has produced more players for their country than any club in the world.

'Maybe they will get some joy from it and realise how important we are to England instead of treating us like s***. I am pleased for the players. They are outstanding.'

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United and Arsenal’s Battle in Crucial Central Areasby Paul McKinnon at Thursday, Aug 25 2011 15:03

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Manchester United play host to Arsenal this Sunday in the weekend’s glamour fixture. Sir Alex Ferguson’s side go into the match having beaten the Gunner’s North London rivals Spurs 3-0 last Monday and are one of only three sides with a 100% record. Meanwhile Arsenal will be buoyed by an impressive 2-1 victory at Udinese last Wednesday which ensured their Champions League qualification for yet another campaign.

Likely Line-Ups
United’s win over Spurs merely underlined the strength in depth available to Sir Alex Ferguson. Despite the absence of both Nemanja Vidic and Rio Ferdinand at the heart of defence, the champions repelled Harry Redknapp’s side and seem certain to continue with the same back-four. The only possible alteration to the starting XI could be in the forward areas- Javier Hernandez made a brief sub appearance and may join Wayne Rooney up front at the expense of Danny Welbeck, despite the latter’s goal and assist against Spurs.

With Kieran Gibbs still sidelined with hamstring trouble, Arsenal may field Armand Traore at left-back- he made a brief return from injury at Udinese and should take his place in the starting XI. Emmanuel Frimpong’s red card in the home defeat to Liverpool sees him join Gervinho and Alex Song amongst the players banned for the Gunners, leaving Arsene Wenger with a real headache in the central midfield area. Johan Djourou also recovered from a hamstring problem to star against Udinese and should take his place alongside Thomas Vermaelen at the heart of defence.

Key Battles

Wayne Rooney v Thomas Vermaelen
One look at WhoScored.com’s ratings and it’s clear where the key battle lies- Wayne Rooney and Thomas Vermaelen are their respective side’s form players right now. Rooney, normally such a slow starter to the season, has been quick off the mark this time and has scored in each of his first two games- the first time he’s achieved this in his career.

Vermaelen missed the vast majority of last season through injury and it’s something of an irony that his return to full fitness has coincided with much of the rest of Arsenal’s first-choice XI being unavailable through either injury or suspension.

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Rooney has been United’s main goal threat and joint-top creative force. He’s averaged 4.5 shots per game, with Vermaelen managing 1 blocked shot per game thus far. The United man has made a brilliant 4 key passes on average though Vermaelen has impressed just as much defensively, with 4 interceptions per game.

Rooney has lost possession 2 times per game and will be up against a determined opponent, with the Gunners centre-half managing 3 tackles on average as well as a brilliant 9 clearances. The United forward has made just 0.5 successful dribbles per game, but with such a strong attacking performance he has a WhoScored.com rating of 8.46 compared to Vermaelen’s 7.45.

Anderson v Aaron Ramsey
With Darren Fletcher sidelined due to a virus and Michael Carrick’s start to the season curtailed by an achilles problem, Anderson has wasted little time in staking a claim for a first-team place with a series of eye-catching performances. The departures of Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri to Barcelona and Man City respectively have left Arsenal short of a real creative presence in midfield and have offered Aaron Ramsey a chance to earn himself a role in Arsene Wenger’s starting XI. However, a look at the young Welshman’s performances so far suggest he’s yet to step up to the task and the duo’s midfield confrontation may be crucial to next Sunday’s outcome.

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Anderson has been United’s most impressive player for tackles, with 4.5 per game, and this work-rate and tenacity may give Ramsey plenty problems at the weekend- he’s been dispossessed an average of 4.5 times per game. Ramsey has been the Gunners main creative force, though, making 2 key passes per game, though Anderson, with an average of 3.5 interceptions, may well nullify his threat.

Ramsey has made an average of 59.5 passes per game but despite seeing so much of the ball, he rarely beats an opponent, choosing to make a pass instead- he has an average of just 0.5 successful dribbles- Anderson has been beaten by an average of 1.5 dribbles per game, suggesting Ramsey could have a more successful game if he chooses to take the Brazilian on more often.

Anderson, on the other hand, has made 2.5 successful dribbles per game so far and with Ramsey beaten by 2.5 dribbles, the Brazilian may take the game to his younger opponent. Ramsey’s defensive output has been limited- just 1 tackle per game needs to be upped considerably if he’s to help a Gunners midfield bereft of any real battle- Anderson has been dispossessed just 2 times per game and Arsenal will need a stronger performance from the Welshman if they are to prevent United from making it three wins on the trot.
 
Anderson improvement has been remarkable. He is winning lot of tackles which is great to say. Will be a key player for us against likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, City.

I would start the same team against Arsenal. Maybe Park may play as he has good record against Arsenal, but I wont change the line up. Worked very well in the last 2 games.
 
so were banned from singing about wenger's realtionships with children, but away fans are seemingly alllowed to sing about 23 people losing their lives? absoulute joke! i don't sing about wenger myself as i don't mind him, will be interesting on sunday though!
 
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