The Manchester United Thread

Tom Cleverley
Got the scan tomorrow, thanks for the comments! so angry right now, want everyone to know I got no apology from kevin davies! season could be over and received no apology.
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Ahh, didn't see the tackle on cleverly.. anyone got a link?

If it is season-ending, what a shame. The lad was just starting a breakthrough, and it's awful luck for this too happen. Never nice to see a player suffer a injury like that, especially a young one. Let's hope he can come back like Ramsey has done.

Best wishes from all football fans, I hope.
 
Frank said:
Ahh, didn't see the tackle on cleverly.. anyone got a link?

If it is season-ending, what a shame. The lad was just starting a breakthrough, and it's awful luck for this too happen. Never nice to see a player suffer a injury like that, especially a young one. Let's hope he can come back like Ramsey has done.

Best wishes from all football fans, I hope.
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Not as serious as Ramsey's injury. It maybe be broken bone in his foot. Max 2 months out I think. It was not malicious but very clumsy. Tackled from behind, no way he would have won the ball.

Here is the pic, but wont tell much.

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sunilvk7 said:
Not as serious as Ramsey's injury. It maybe be broken bone in his foot. Max 2 months out I think. It was not malicious but very clumsy. Tackled from behind, no way he would have won the ball.

Here is the pic, but wont tell much.

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not malicious no but reckles from behind and studs showing hope clevs is back soon and refs need to start clamping down on these types of tackles!!!!
 
OliverKayTimes Oliver Kay
RT @stewartgardner: Tom Cleverley has ligament damage but thankfully no fracture. SAF says he will be out for 4 weeks #mufc
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From the Beeb:

A bit of BREAKING NEWS for you. Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley suffered ligament damage in his foot, but no break, and is expected to be out for four weeks following a tackle by Kevin Davies during Saturday's 5-0 win at Bolton, United have said.
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Zoomed by Sunil but WTH.

Quite happy, I enjoy watching the lad play.
 
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10/09/2011 07:27, Report by Adam Marshall

Young worth the wait

Sir Alex Ferguson has admitted he tried to sign Ashley Young when the winger was still at Watford.

The boss kept tabs on the England international after seeing him join Aston Villa and was able to complete a deal this summer with the wide man only having a year left on his deal in the Midlands. It's the first time the manager has admitted having such a long-standing interest in the player.

"He’s done very well," enthused Sir Alex. "With his versatility and his understanding of the game. Obviously we tried to get him a few years ago from Watford but we were just a bit late. But he’s matured at Aston Villa, his form last season was fantastic considering they had a difficult season and since he’s come to us, he’s taken to the challenge really well.

"Some players come to a club like ours and find it difficult to settle in but, in the case of Ashley, he’s done very well.

"He's getting support from Patrice Evra down the left side and that kind of experience Evra brings to the team and that side of the pitch is very important to a new player coming to the club."

Manchester United Official Web Site - Ashley Young was long term United target
 


Improving Anderson is crucial to Manchester United's dominance

The dynamic Brazilian Anderson is growing in influence in United's engine room, dictating the rhythm of the game


Wayne Rooney and Javier Hernández will receive the plaudits, and deservedly so, but there was another in Manchester United's ranks at the Reebok Stadium who caught the eye. The visitors' effervescent, left-footed Brazilian Anderson was the instigator of so many of United's brilliant moves on Saturday, setting the team's tone. As he continues to improve, he will soften the blow of Paul Scholes's retirement.

Anderson's increased confidence was instrumental to United's domination, the midfielder collecting the ball deep from his goalkeeper, David de Gea, when his centre-backs split and beginning the passing movements forward. Neither Nigel Reo-Coker nor Mark Davies wanted to leave their safe areas and tighten so high up the field, allowing Anderson to dictate the rhythm. In this defensive phase, Phil Jones and Patrice Evra pushed forward, which forced Chris Eagles and Martin Petrov deeper and offered the visitors more space in which to begin their build-up play.

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Michael Carrick, who replaced Tom Cleverley, predictably played his deep-lying, safe game, rarely close enough for a pop at goal, but always ready to cope with rare counter‑attacking danger. Anderson has more vitality and energy. He received and searched for a front colleague to play a progressive forward pass, then followed that delivery forward to receive again and progress up the pitch. With his waspish left foot and change of pace, the Brazilian's form is making up for Scholes's absence and the less game time being enjoyed by Ryan Giggs.

Anderson's emergence shows the value of patience by both the manager and the player. The midfielder commands and demands the ball. He almost seems in love with it. His shooting and goals record will improve as his support play takes him closer to goal, as will his tracking of opponents and tackling as he plays more regularly. But he is already charged with responsibility: he takes the right‑wing corners, and his accuracy is better now than it was. He is an infectiously enthusiastic presence, forever calling for the ball.

Bolton had no answer. They had seemed determined to upset any early rhythm mustered by United with a series of poorly timed challenges, but this did not deter the visitors, whose early delivery from wide positions and brilliant box movement gave them three-goal daylight within the first 25 minutes. They swamped Bolton's four-man mid-line and zipped the ball to the touchlines, where Evra and Jones, my Guardian prediction for "buy of the season", gleefully joined in. This was another merciless display. Opponents must scratch their heads as they consider how best to stop them. Getting tighter to Anderson may be one answer.

Improving Anderson is crucial to Manchester United's dominance | David Pleat | Football | The Guardian


Very glad that Anderson is getting well deserved recognition.. He was just superb in all the games this season..
 
I :wub: Anderson, always have and always will! so glad he is turning into the player I knew he would! nice article btw...

Another great display of football from United, really proud to be a supporter and loving every minute of it!
 
Good performance.. they won me a nice few bucks for scoring five :) dam really didnt beleive Rooney would get another Hatrick... almost took that bet :)

Race to Golden boot is on.. Come on Ronaldo haha
 
Would like to see few who were saying he is poor player. Just wanted proper pre season to improve his fitness level and also hopefully he will stay injury free. He is the Boss. He is thriving under more responsible role. He is also capable of making those late runs into the box.
 
My exam schedule has just released and the centre is in different city and it's between 12-19 october and I am going to miss the Liverpool game!F*** me!
 
People saying Scholes was a poor tackler..

Since 2000: Scholes: 369 fouls in 465 games, 89 yellows, 4 reds. Davies: 894 fouls in 417 games, 100 yellows, 2 reds. #MUFC #BWFC
 
Tom Clare on Phil Jones. He wont be getting any bigger compliment than this for sure.

In The Shadow of a Giant’s Footsteps

Nostalgia as I have always said, is a wonderful thing; simply and purely because nostalgia can be made to be anything that you want it to be. It can also be a dangerous thing in that it can cloud your judgment as you yearn for those past eras; those past personalities, and the events which they contributed to. Every generation hears about ‘the good old days’ from their older peers and the comparisons of individuals from years gone by, with the present day subject.

For younger people, it can be a frustrating kind of experience, and it can provoke heated debate, even argument, and that is quite understandable. I grew up in a time period of what I love to term as the ‘Golden Age of Football’. Football was vibrant, stadiums packed, and there were so many great British players to watch week in and week out. But even back then, there were always comparisons with players who plied their trade in the pre-war years. It was common place to hear statements like; “he’s no Hapgood”, or “he’s not as quick or skilful as Bastin was.”

My Grandfather, who I revered, and whose judgment I trusted implicitly, used to base his comparisons on a number of United players whom he had watched over the years; some from before WW1 even! For forwards he would use Joe Spence and Billy Meredith as the yardstick. For the halfbacks it would be the likes of Frank Barson, Alec Bell, Charlie Roberts, and **** Duckworth. Believe me; if he likened a player to any of those personalities, then I can assure you, that player had to be something special.

As I grew up, he eulogized about Johnny Carey, Henry Cockburn, Stan Pearson, and Jack Rowley. Then of course, as I grew older, the ‘Babes’ were emerging. He was generous in his praise for Roger Byrne and he thought that he was the best Captain that United had ever had. Surpisingly, he likened Mark Jones to Charlie Roberts, although he thought that he was not as ruthless as Barson. He loved to watch little Eddie Colman, and again surprised me when he said that he was the best tackling player that United had at the club. As much as he liked Tommy Taylor, he preferred Joe Spence, but then he did say that Dennis Viollet was as lethal a player as he had seen. Today, I personally, would liken Viollet very much to Paul Scholes.
When we moved into the 60’s, Grandfather loved to watch Denis Law, and revered Bobby Charlton, who he said, was the perfect role model for any youngster coming into the game. He was a huge admirer of Paddy Crerand’s game, and said he was probably the best passer of a ball that he had seen. And then came George – and he was smitten. What he loved about George was not only his astounding natural talent, but also his tremendous heart and courage, and his indefatigable spirit.

My Grandfather first saw United back in 1898 when they were known as Newton Heath. Sadly, he passed away in October 1966, so had watched the club grow for 68 years. It’s a very long passage of time during which he had seen so many, many matches, and watched countless thousands of players. He was my mentor and my inspiration where United are concerned. As most of you know, I first attended Old Trafford back in the autumn of 1950, and attended my first senior game in September 1954. Like Granddad, that’s over 60 years in the bank where United are concerned, and just like him it’s countless matches attended, and thousands of players watched.

So where is all this leading to? During your lifetime, especially where football is concerned – there comes along that ‘special’ player, that one player who, because of his outstanding qualities as a player, is the one who becomes your benchmark. From the 50’s, United fans will probably look at players like Carey, Chilton, Rowley, Byrne, Foulkes, Taylor, Viollet. From the 60’s Charlton, Law, Creand, Stiles, Best. In the 70’s my own choice would be Martin Buchan, Steve Coppell, and Sammy McIlroy. From the 80’s Bryan Robson, Norman Whiteside, Mark Hughes, and into the 90’s, Steve Bruce, Roy Keane, Ryan Giggs, Eric Cantona, David Beckham, Paul Scholes, Gary Neville, Peter Schmeichel. After the turn of the Millennium, Rio Ferdinand, Ruud van Nistlerooy, Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney and Nemanja Vidic. That’s some litany of exceptional players and I have probably left more than a few out.

For me, and also for my Grandfather, the one player who stood out like a beacon above all the rest was a young boy from Dudley in the West Midlands – Duncan Edwards. It says so much for him that even now, 53 years after his passing, he is still looked upon as arguably the greatest British player ever to have played the game of football. That’s some legacy. I’m proud and privileged to have watched him throughout his career and have so many vivid memories of him. Believe me, the stories about Duncan were not myths, he really was that talented, and that special.

Down through the years, many, many players have been saddled with the label of; ‘the next Duncan Edwards’. I’ve seen them all – but not one of them in my opinion, has lived up to, nor has come anywhere close to reaching the standards of Duncan Edwards. It’s a tough ask, and comparing players to Edwards is in my opinion, more than a little unfair. It’s a heavy label and burden for a player to carry, and I have always been wary of watching a player and tagging him with that mantle.

However, I was in Washington DC when United played Barcelona, and something stirred me – just a slight glimpse, but it was there. Again, I saw it in the second half of the Community Shield, and then in the later stages of the game at The Hawthorns, and against Tottenham, and Arsenal. Yesterday’s game at Bolton only stirred me more because what was exciting me, was something that was taking me back 50 more years and more. It was a young boy striding out in the shadow of a Giant’s footsteps. Watching his pace, his vision, his touch, his physique, his youthfulness and exuberance for the game, and it brought the memories flooding back. Since Duncan’s passing, no other player has ever done that for me…until now.

The moment that really electrified me was when he burst out from the back and made that surging drive forward with the ball which culminated in the third goal. It turned the clock back for me and made me inhale deeply.

Phil Jones is just 19 years of age, and it would certainly be totally unfair and unrealistic to tag him as being; ‘the next Duncan Edwards’. But through these old eyes of mine I know that we are seeing something that is very, very ‘special’. This kid is just so gifted, has so much natural ability, and a confidence without being arrogant, that already he looks to have everything that it takes to be the best in the game. He’s still a work in progress, and people should take that into account – and no, he’s not ‘the next Duncan Edwards’, he has his own identity. But I’ll tell you this, the team in which he is playing in at the moment has excited me like no other team that I have seen in the last 50 years, so enjoy every minute of what you are witnessing. For young Philip, he has the world at his feet – and he is something ‘very special’.
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[29] Tom Clare on Phil Jones
 
DMF said:
People saying Scholes was a poor tackler..

Since 2000: Scholes: 369 fouls in 465 games, 89 yellows, 4 reds. Davies: 894 fouls in 417 games, 100 yellows, 2 reds. #MUFC #BWFC
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yes but Davies is a striker whilst Scholes is a midfielder and usually the weakest attribute of most forwards is tackling however that is not the case for most midfielders, my point is tackling is a more integral part of a midfielders game than it is for a forward so I am not suprised by Davies stats
 
Alcaraz said:
yes but Davies is a striker whilst Scholes is a midfielder and usually the weakest attribute of most forwards is tackling however that is not the case for most midfielders, my point is tackling is a more integral part of a midfielders game than it is for a forward so I am not suprised by Davies stats
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How many fouls have any other forwards committed incomparison to Davies?

Midfielders have to win the ball back and are prone to mistime tackle, where as forwards wont be involved as much as midfielder.

Also Tackling need not be a integral part of player like Scholes's game. He is not a DM, started as striker, then moved to Attacking midfielder then CM then as deep lying playmaker.
 
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