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he made himself look a right **** saying that but its allright saying he should be sold but who going to buy him hes ****

I would say tear up his contract but obviously it's not as easy as that sadly. Maybe it's time DM made things a bit uncomfortable for him to give him a kick up the backside.
 
I would say tear up his contract but obviously it's not as easy as that sadly. Maybe it's time DM made things a bit uncomfortable for him to give him a kick up the backside.

well if saf could not get him to change his ways dont think any 1 can its a shame cos his first season he played well
 
Yeah, these points have been made already mate. Although I agree with your opinion, your reasoning for it seems odd. Sure if the first team squad was the same (or even improved, because of the addition of Fellaini and Adnan), then surely it's more Moyes fault than if the squad was completely different - because this is a squad of proven winners? It's true that the team really need to have a long hard look at themselves, though, they've been very disappointing and look a shadow of the team that ran away with the league last season.

Yeah, I thought it would have been said but I was on my break and didn't have time to read through the 15+ pages lol. I completely agree, however I think that the percentage of blame the players should have is no more than 25% because that although majority of the blame falls on Moyes we have a squad of pure professionals who should be able to cope with poor decisions by playing their game to the best and using their heads, using their sheer professionalism that got them to the top of the game. I think it is fair to say we have seen some very lackluster performances in recent weeks no matter the position or tactics that are being utilized.
 
Mike, saying Manager is doing bad is not embarrassing themselves. It's a fact, just like a fact that he failed miserable in the first transfer window to sign only dept we are weak in.

Saying we are not playing attacking football is not calling for Moyes head, it's there for all to see that we don't attack with numbers, we just don't create anything at all. If only people act like machines we no emotions, then I agree with you that many are embarrassing themselves.

The most crappiest thing on internet is calling someone not a fan of a club just because they question manager tactics and transfer business. (not saying you did, just calling few are embarrassing themselves is just as good as). There is nothing embarrassing here except for ManUtd performances and lack of bottle team is showing even when they are goal down.

If saying that makes someone embarrassing then we might as well just shut down our systems as we are not supposed to post anything negative about man in charge.
 
Mike, saying Manager is doing bad is not embarrassing themselves. It's a fact, just like a fact that he failed miserable in the first transfer window to sign only dept we are weak in.

Saying we are not playing attacking football is not calling for Moyes head, it's there for all to see that we don't attack with numbers, we just don't create anything at all. If only people act like machines we no emotions, then I agree with you that many are embarrassing themselves.

The most crappiest thing on internet is calling someone not a fan of a club just because they question manager tactics and transfer business. (not saying you did, just calling few are embarrassing themselves is just as good as). There is nothing embarrassing here except for ManUtd performances and lack of bottle team is showing even when they are goal down.

If saying that makes someone embarrassing then we might as well just shut down our systems as we are not supposed to post anything negative about man in charge.
asking for the managers head after 15 games, and being annoyed that no one else is trying to boo him is embarrassing. Falling to pieces because for the first time in a very long time we actually have a real challenge on our hands, is embarrassing. Suck it up and get on with it. There is a difference between pointing out flaws and saying he should be sacked. The simple fact is everyone from CEO to sub need to up their game. Fans need to stop acting like its the end of the world.
 
He's being judged after a stupidly small number of games. I'm not sure what people were expecting him to do with the squad he inherited. The only signing we've made under his management is Fellaini. He wasn't our first choice but he recognised we needed to strengthen in that area (something Ferguson repeatedly ignored)

With the squad he inherited? This was the same squad that won multiple titles. Yes, only player we signed was Fellaini and there is only one person to blame for that, maybe 2 and Moyes is part of that. He was handed fantastic squad and with only CMs to sign and he didn't.


What are people expecting him to do? Last season we were extremely fortunate that Carrick and RVP stayed fit and on fire. This season Moyes has lost the two most important players in our squad last season to injury. what exactly are we expecting him to do? We're stuck with what we've got & have no young talent coming through in that position, Powell still at least a year off. We are completely & totally predictable.Teams know how to stop us playing & we have a distinct lack of pace in the side.

What did he do whole summer when he knew our options were only Carrick, Cleverley, Anderson and Giggs? Didn't do anything to address it except for the last min panic buy. I still believe Fellaini will come good for us but we needed one more CM and it was so obvious for everyone. Moyes should blame only himself for not addressing it. Glazers sanctioned 27Million for Fellaini so funds was no problem at all.

Amongst all this we have a new chief exec who is seemingly clueless replacing David Gill. Everything is against Moyes. He can only work with the tools he has. He needs time to make a mark on the team, he's not had that yet. That's why I don't understand people who were willing to give him time suddenly deciding because he's not working miracles he should be sacked.

He shouldn't be sacked that doesn't means fans can't vent frustration for the way we are playing. Don't tell me this squad is not good enough to beat Everton, WBA and Newcastle at home.

He's the manager. He might not be the right manager for the club but he needs time which he's going to get, you support him because you support United.

You can still support the club and point finger at the manager for the mistakes he did. There is nothing wrong with that. We are not ManUtd manager fans, we are club fans and we want what is best for the club. If that involves pointing finger at Manager for his mistake then there is nothing wrong with that.

Some fans need to get a grip. We have no divine right to win trophies. Our squad depth is weak as **** especially in midfield. We need to strengthen in January, so judge him then if we don't rectify it.

Squad is fantastic and this very same squad won 2 titles in 3 years and lost 1 in the last min. If Moyes is not brave enough to set up team to attack in numbers then it doesn't mean squad is weak.

De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Jones, Fabio, Nani, Valencia, Carrick, RVP, Rooney, Januzaj, Hernandez. How is this anywhere near average?
 
asking for the managers head after 15 games, and being annoyed that no one else is trying to boo him is embarrassing. Falling to pieces because for the first time in a very long time we actually have a real challenge on our hands, is embarrassing. Suck it up and get on with it. There is a difference between pointing out flaws and saying he should be sacked. The simple fact is everyone from CEO to sub need to up their game. Fans need to stop acting like its the end of the world.

I'm sorry, I didn't login for few days so I didn't check all the posts. Last time I checked no one asked him to be sacked, so if I have missed the post then apologies. All I saw was few posters pointing out his mistakes rather than asking him to be sacked. So apologies if I have missed it.
 
I'm sorry, I didn't login for few days so I didn't check all the posts. Last time I checked no one asked him to be sacked, so if I have missed the post then apologies. All I saw was few posters pointing out his mistakes rather than asking him to be sacked. So apologies if I have missed it.

As far as I am aware, no one has called for his head on fm base at least
 
Sunil, you named one midfielder. and he is injured. Do you not see the issue with us right now. Every game where we have struggled, has been because we have had no control of the midfield. Everton WBA Newcastle, all came down to our centre being destroyed. Now you add two high class players there, and the difference will be frightening. Put this way, imagine we have the Scholes and Hargreaves of 5 years ago in that midfield.
 
In same a-biograph where he said Owen was better than Ruud van Nistelrooy?
You have eyes, use them. We played defensive so many times under SAF, back in 99 Bayern outplayed us, we were defensive pretty much whole game and we won. Many times against City SAF was making defensive substitutions, like puting Smalling instead of Rafael for defensive cover and hight. It's perfectly normal. Here, I'll end this pointless discussion, just like I ended every other with you.

Bayern outplaying us doesn't mean we were defensive. We always attack in numbers. Yes I know there were few games where we played very very defensively with SAF in charge but with the number of games he was in charge it's very negligible.

Yeah it's perfectly normal for ManUtd to attack with 2 attackers :rollani:

ManUtd fans are so so :facepalm: Saying Manager made a mistake is a sin and a pointless argument. Continue with Moyes did great but it was squad's fault **** while it is so obvious where the mistake is.
 
Sunil, you named one midfielder. and he is injured. Do you not see the issue with us right now. Every game where we have struggled, has been because we have had no control of the midfield. Everton WBA Newcastle, all came down to our centre being destroyed. Now you add two high class players there, and the difference will be frightening. Put this way, imagine we have the Scholes and Hargreaves of 5 years ago in that midfield.

Come on Mike, it was so obvious before he took over that we needed 2 CMs minimum isn't it? He was named as manager in May so he had almost 4 months to address that.

He was handed a fantastic squad and all he needed to do was sign 2 good enough CMs for ManUtd. Now we don't have cover for Carrick, whose mistake is that?

Saying Moyes should take to blame is not wrong man. It was his duty to strengthen the team.

I'm not even mad at him for not signing CMs as Carrick was fit for all season and he needed time to check Cleverley and Anderson, it's the lack of balls in attacking. Just see how Everton attack with inferior player and see how we attack. We lack bodies upfront in the attack.

Just check how many goals we have scored in the league and most importantly at home. Even when we were goal down we didn't attack at all.

I want Moyes to be successful as any ManUtd fan, I just want him to build something special but I can't hide my frustration watching how we play and attack. We cross the ball all the time and we will have only 1 or 2 players in the box. It's near impossible to score a goal.
 
Come on Mike, it was so obvious before he took over that we needed 2 CMs minimum isn't it? He was named as manager in May so he had almost 4 months to address that.

He was handed a fantastic squad and all he needed to do was sign 2 good enough CMs for ManUtd. Now we don't have cover for Carrick, whose mistake is that?

Saying Moyes should take to blame is not wrong man. It was his duty to strengthen the team.

I'm not even mad at him for not signing CMs as Carrick was fit for all season and he needed time to check Cleverley and Anderson, it's the lack of balls in attacking. Just see how Everton attack with inferior player and see how we attack. We lack bodies upfront in the attack.

Just check how many goals we have scored in the league and most importantly at home. Even when we were goal down we didn't attack at all.

I want Moyes to be successful as any ManUtd fan, I just want him to build something special but I can't hide my frustration watching how we play and attack. We cross the ball all the time and we will have only 1 or 2 players in the box. It's near impossible to score a goal.

How about Ferguson not doing it for 4 years? How about Woodward for his cack handed negotiations? It's not all on Moyes. The squad isn't fantastic, it has creaky wingers, no midfield, declining left back and key CB, but also bags of potential.
 
How about Ferguson not doing it for 4 years? How about Woodward for his cack handed negotiations? It's not all on Moyes. The squad isn't fantastic, it has creaky wingers, no midfield, declining left back and key CB, but also bags of potential.

So it comes down to this, why didn't SAF do that for 4 years.. Is that one more excuse for Moyes? What exactly was Moyes role in the summer?

What SAF did or didn't is of no use. He handed fantastic squad to Moyes with only one problem or maybe 2 as Evra is looking way past it now a days.
 
So it comes down to this, why didn't SAF do that for 4 years.. Is that one more excuse for Moyes? What exactly was Moyes role in the summer?

What SAF did or didn't is of no use. He handed fantastic squad to Moyes with only one problem or maybe 2 as Evra is looking way past it now a days.
Bollocks did I say that. Sorry but if you're going to deliberately misread my posts I've got much better things to do. I quite clearly said its not all on Moyes. What SAF did or didn't do is incredibly relevant. Picking up two CMs of the required quality is hard. It should have been done when we had the biggest managerial name in football to lure them in. So the misfiring wingers are no problem? or that Rio is past it? or that Evra is past it?
 
How many times did we complain that SAF didn't buy the CM we needed? The point is that the issues are multi faceted and don't stop at the manager, they run from the players, to Woodward, to SAF deferring the issue, to the board letting Gill go at the same time as Ferguson, rather than helping Moyes.
 
Emotion isn't an excuse to for people to act like children

Oh so much generalisation here. Level of sanity, understanding and general 'common sense' is connected with age, but it's far from general rule. Life experience ( or what we called maturity), or lack of it is perfect reason to people to react rush, without much thinking. Like some United fans do.
 
Bollocks did I say that. Sorry but if you're going to deliberately misread my posts I've got much better things to do. I quite clearly said its not all on Moyes. What SAF did or didn't do is incredibly relevant. Picking up two CMs of the required quality is hard. It should have been done when we had the biggest managerial name in football to lure them in. So the misfiring wingers are no problem? or that Rio is past it? or that Evra is past it?

You don't have to buy absolutely top class players to improve the team. Mandzukic, Dante were not world class players when Bayern signed them but see how they have performed for them.

If you say our scouting team and Moyes can't pick 2 CMs that are better than our midfielders then there is something clearly wrong with the system. You don't have to buy Fabregas level players, you can go for a level below them and still they will become our best CMs.

Misfiring wingers where Valencia is given all the mins without giving Nani any run of games. Nani needs games to get his confidence back and Moyes is not giving him that.

Rio is past it but we have Smalling, Jones, Evans who are all fantastic players/young players. Evra is past it and I mentioned it. We have Fabio who never got any chance at all and we waited till last min to sign Coentrao when he wanted to move all summer.

We have misfiring wingers but why is Zaha not getting any chances? I won't blame Moyes for that at all as he needs time to feel comfortable to introduce young players but not giving Nani run of games is Moyes' mistake.

Woodward also deserves blame but IMO most of the blame should be on Moyes. He just didn't trust ManUtd scouting reports and opted out of few players like Strootman, Thiago.
 
How many times did we complain that SAF didn't buy the CM we needed? The point is that the issues are multi faceted and don't stop at the manager, they run from the players, to Woodward, to SAF deferring the issue, to the board letting Gill go at the same time as Ferguson, rather than helping Moyes.

Exactly. We said samething when Fergie was in charge, he was blamed for not signing a CM (mostly when he didn't try to sign Dembele) even though he was a living legend. What he still did was attack and go for a win no matter what something we don't under Moyes. If people are going to use CM as excuse then you have to blame Moyes for that too, at least most of the blame.

Board letting go? They did a fantastic job for decades, they deserves to pick their time of retirement.
 
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