The Manchester United Thread

Mike. said:
It's between both worlds really in March. But come the summer, United will almost invariably win that race.
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If Van Gaal's your manager, and you've dipped out of the Champions League again (maybe crashed out the Europa to us and we've gone on in the competition .... but let's live that and not tempt fait before the 2 games) I'm not so sure.

Klopp's a great leveller. European players in particular want to play for him. Mourinho flips that back somewhat as you mentioned but still nothing like if Rodgers was still here.

Money's obviously relative, and it still remains to be seen just how far FSG will go regardless of Ayre talking about an 'open war chest' for the summer. (I'd need confirmation if they said today was Monday. That's how far I currently trust them.). But if a similar bid was accepted, and salary's weren't that far apart; I don't think it's as clear cut a decision as many Utd fans would still like to think.

That said, I don't think we're going to be looking at the same sort of players anyways in the main. If there's a top echelon one that fits, we'll be in. Whereas with Utd if Woodward's time is any indication, you're more likely to go for a big name just because whilst with Klopp, it has to be the right fit.
 
Not ground breaking news, but De Gea is still the key man you need to hang onto.

I'll be stunned if Madrid aren't back and that start's up again in earnest the summer. And if Woodward spends all summer on that and negates everything else again to Utd's detriment more fool him.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
If Van Gaal's your manager, and you've dipped out of the Champions League again (maybe crashed out the Europa to us and we've gone on in the competition .... but let's live that and not tempt fait before the 2 games) I'm not so sure.

Klopp's a great leveller. European players in particular want to play for him. Mourinho flips that back somewhat as you mentioned but still nothing like if Rodgers was still here.

Money's obviously relative, and it still remains to be seen just how far FSG will go regardless of Ayre talking about an 'open war chest' for the summer. (I'd need confirmation if they said today was Monday. That's how far I currently trust them.). But if a similar bid was accepted, and salary's weren't that far apart; I don't think it's as clear cut a decision as many Utd fans would still like to think.

That said, I don't think we're going to be looking at the same sort of players anyways in the main. If there's a top echelon one that fits, we'll be in. Whereas with Utd if Woodward's time is any indication, you're more likely to go for a big name just because whilst with Klopp, it has to be the right fit.
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The salary/bid wouldn't be close though, if it needed not to be.

Part of Subtle's point is; if United needed to financially blow away a rival to get a player, they can do so to the majority of clubs. Certainly Liverpool or Spurs right now

I think it's hard to put a finger on what united need till a manager pops up. If di marzio is right, and he usually is, Jose is after a central mid and attacking player for United already, we'll see though
 
zzeezzy said:
Ohh we need more creativity? Lets just totally neglect our best youth player in Pereira and shove him to the U21's whilst we keep ****** James Weir on the bench. Or even worse, Fellaini marching straight back on the bench after an injury.
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After yesterday's match there's no doubt in my mind that LVG is deranged / has gone senile (which makes me worry about Giggsys input).

As soon as I saw our lineup I was sure we would lose. I mean you play against WBA, a team managed by TP, with 4 cbs at the back, two combative dms and everybody in their squad being huge in body. And what do you do? You dont play the one player you have who can run at dm (Schneiderlin), put the old and static (and way past it) Carrick in instead. You then look at your quickest and most improved player in the last month DEPAY and think nah he wont do and you bench him. Was it such a surprise that the more the match went on the more WBA were playing past/around Carrick. You are then chasing the match. You dont care that Rushford hasnt had a decent pass or cross from anywhere but you delay the substitutions and then you take off Herrera (not Carrick?!!!!) for Schneiderlin (he should have come in on the 46th minute btw) and you then take off Rashford and play without a cf or with the lightweight and totally unsuited MARTIAL (I watched the match and Im still not sure what exactly we did after that). And then you take off Darmian with 5 minutes to go and put Fosu- Mensah (why? - only justifiable reason would be that Darmian was coming back from injury - but if so why wait till the 85th minute?!).

Truly the mind boggles. Every ******* body sees these things its not quantum physics ...

I cant understand why Pereira doesnt feature more. He ll leave us and be great and we ll cry as we have done for POGBA.
 
MANUMAD said:
Oh we' ll come through the matches against you no problems, Ive got no worries about that mate.

Btw Ill be at OT for the 2nd match yeah! (its been ages since Ive last been)
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Me too. I'll wave at yer as you leave early with your season in tatters. ;).
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Me too. I'll wave at yer as you leave early with your season in tatters. ;).
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If being ahead of you in the premier league, still in the FA Cup and looking more than likely to beat you in the Europe league from recent results vs you, equal "season in tatters", I'd much prefer that over Liverpool's normal season of having no chance of winning anything.
 
Puddz said:
If being ahead of you in the premier league, still in the FA Cup and looking more than likely to beat you in the Europe league from recent results vs you, equal "season in tatters", I'd much prefer that over Liverpool's normal season of having no chance of winning anything.
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Sounds like any Utd season pre or post Ferguson. ;).
 
Subtle said:
I sometimes wonder if I'm the only one who remembers Dortmund struggling immensely for ages under Klopp due to fatigue. Not that they weren't successful, but the players always looked absolutely exhausted when they were trying to fight for Europe and the league at the same time.

Not only that but once teams started to just cede possession vs them, they seriously suffered. It took Klopp a fair amount of time to adapt to it, and even then they were never really convincing. He basically tweaked his existing system as much as he could to fight the problem but it was still there.

Neither of those are damning, but he is very much a manager who favours a certain approach and he has to be at a club where that approach is useful. It's why he's well suited to a tier 2 club like Liverpool and why he is the last thing United need right now if they want to hang onto their status as a tier 1. It's also why taking Mourinho on will either work out spectacularly for them or be terrible. If he is as dogmatic and stubborn as he was with us, then they're ******. If the Jose of old turns up though, pragmatic and willing to do what it takes to win, expect them to be an absolute force again.
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The Jose of old is still here. We all know of his 3rd season collapses.

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Scouseinthehouse said:
Which Utd now are. Embrace it. It'll make the coming years easier to get through. ;).
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If we get Jose next season, I'm 90% sure we'll be back to winning ways and still laughing at Liverpool hyping up their season and then failing horribly. Again.

10% unsure. If next season is a shamble then I will just cry and know what it feels like to support a average football club.
 
Joking aside, this tie must be heaven sent for UEFA trying to push the Europa. Viewing figures will go through the roof.

Biggest tie in Europe bar none the next few weeks.
 
Puddz said:
If we get Jose next season, I'm 90% sure we'll be back to winning ways and still laughing at Liverpool hyping up their season and then failing horribly. Again.

10% unsure. If next season is a shamble then I will just cry and know what it feels like to support a average football club.
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Stop by our trophy room Thursday. That big glittering silvery thing you completed your greatest ever season with in '99 ..... we OWN that.

Big clubs win European Cups. Very big ones (you can stop reading here) retain them.

Mega, uhmmm .... 'average' clubs own an original. (H).
 
This is another reason why this is a horrendous draw for both sets of fans.

Whichever loses will never hear the end of it from the other.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Stop by our trophy room Thursday. That big glittering silvery thing you completed your greatest ever season with in '99 ..... we OWN that.

Big clubs win European Cups. Very big ones (you can stop reading here) retain them.

Mega, uhmmm .... 'average' clubs own an original. (H).
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Stop by our trophy room. You'll see what a Premiership Trophy looks like. You'll also see a relatively shiny European Trophy instead of them rusty things you call trophies.
 
Puddz said:
Stop by our trophy room. You'll see what a Premiership Trophy looks like. You'll also see a relatively shiny European Trophy instead of them rusty things you call trophies.
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See that's the thing. Polish runs out quicker when you've 11 European trophies to buff up. I imagine it goes further on your 5. :P.

Pain in the **** being one of the European 'average' group. Hear Barca, Milan, Munich and Madrid all have the same trouble too. ;).
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Stop by our trophy room Thursday. That big glittering silvery thing you completed your greatest ever season with in '99 ..... we OWN that.

Big clubs win European Cups. Very big ones (you can stop reading here) retain them.

Mega, uhmmm .... 'average' clubs own an original. (H).
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Puddz said:
Stop by our trophy room. You'll see what a Premiership Trophy looks like. You'll also see a relatively shiny European Trophy instead of them rusty things you call trophies.
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Scouseinthehouse said:
See that's the thing. Polish runs out quicker when you've 11 European trophies to buff up. I imagine it goes further on your 5. :P.

Pain in the **** being one of the European 'average' group. Hear Barca, Milan, Munich and Madrid all have the same trouble too. ;).
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Cracking banter lads gave me a chuckle anyhow
 
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