The Manchester United Thread

Jesus, Liverpool were simply better team here. Sometimes you just have to give it to your opponents. They were chasing every ball, pressing hard and generally just working a lot harder to press United and took the game to United's defense.

Lets hope VG can prepare the boys better for next time.
 
Vanjagl said:
Jesus, Liverpool were simply better team here. Sometimes you just have to give it to your opponents. They were chasing every ball, pressing hard and generally just working a lot harder to press United and took the game to United's defense.

Lets hope VG can prepare the boys better for next time.
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Lets hope he is not here next time more like. Honestly I'd take Fred The Red on the touchline for the rest of the season. He'd inspire the players more if nothing else.
 
Mike. said:
And yet you decried Moyes joining us?
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Man that is whole other debate that isn't worth going into now. Our current situation is depressing enough without bringing that one up as well.
 
zzeezzy said:
Man that is whole other debate that isn't worth going into now. Our current situation is depressing enough without bringing that one up as well.
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Jose is objectively better than Pochettino. What the players need is a change in mentality more than anything. There are 5 managers I would trust to do that right now. And 4 of them have jobs.
 
zzeezzy said:
Lets hope he is not here next time more like. Honestly I'd take Fred The Red on the touchline for the rest of the season. He'd inspire the players more if nothing else.
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No you wouldn't. There's a reason why VG hasn't lost dressing room yet. He isn't the person to take the United forward, but he did far from a bad manager. He placed some fundamentals in the club just like he did in his previous clubs. He did good on that part, but failed on getting the CL ( so far).
 
Mike. said:
Jose is objectively better than Pochettino. What the players need is a change in mentality more than anything. There are 5 managers I would trust to do that right now. And 4 of them have jobs.
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In our current situation I'm not denying that Mourinho will not be our best option (given those available anyway), but I just have my doubts over whether it will work. I hope for our sake it does because another bad tenure will do this club a fair bit of damage I think. I mean we're venturing into the wilderness at the moment, by that time of another failed regime we could be in the abyss.
 
Vanjagl said:
No you wouldn't. There's a reason why VG hasn't lost dressing room yet. He isn't the person to take the United forward, but he did far from a bad manager. He placed some fundamentals in the club just like he did in his previous clubs. He did good on that part, but failed on getting the CL ( so far).
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Are you watching the same games as me? Or am I seeing a team that is struggling to have a shot on goal, let alone anything else. (Not counting our two best performances this season Midgetland at home and Arsenal at home).

Maybe you have low standards but still, I'm surprised you think he is doing anything right. Admittedly the whole youngster thing is brought up but he only does it out of force.
 
zzeezzy said:
Are you watching the same games as me? Or am I seeing a team that is struggling to have a shot on goal, let alone anything else. (Not counting our two best performances this season Midgetland at home and Arsenal at home).

Maybe you have low standards but still, I'm surprised you think he is doing anything right. Admittedly the whole youngster thing is brought up but he only does it out of force.
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Yes I am.
You really don't need to get all aggressive on me. Please chill for a bit. Yes, at this point we can say he failed his job in most parts, but it wasn't complete collapse like under Moyes. You currently don't have better alternative. Like it or not, he's here for the rest of the season unless he loses the players.

This team isn't bad, but the problem is, it's lacking the leader in attacking segment. It's hard to put all the weight on a 20 yo kid in his first season in a foreign land. A lot of players aren't pulling their weight. Yes, it is his fault not to get better players, but you can't blame VG for L'pools second goal, it was mix of Memphis giving up on tracking down Firmino ( or Lallana, can't recall), and comical reaction from our defenders. Half of them are makeshift/out of position. Again, when it comes to personnel, it is his fault for not getting someone better, but some of the stuff where United fail are basics. And if players don't understand basics, it's hard for him to learn anything else correctly.
 
zzeezzy said:
Yeh.... this is why I have my doubts whether Mourinho is the man to revitalise us. Proven winner yes. But his recent failing and traditions doesn't seem a great fit, not to mention the style of play.

I think more than anything right now United need a manager to come in and rebuild a style/identity like Pochettino done at Spurs.
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I more meant playing a striker who can go on the wings at fullback tbh.
 
Vanjagl said:
Yes I am.
You really don't need to get all aggressive on me. Please chill for a bit. Yes, at this point we can say he failed his job in most parts, but it wasn't complete collapse like under Moyes. You currently don't have better alternative. Like it or not, he's here for the rest of the season unless he loses the players.

This team isn't bad, but the problem is, it's lacking the leader in attacking segment. It's hard to put all the weight on a 20 yo kid in his first season in a foreign land. A lot of players aren't pulling their weight. Yes, it is his fault not to get better players, but you can't blame VG for L'pools second goal, it was mix of Memphis giving up on tracking down Firmino ( or Lallana, can't recall), and comical reaction from our defenders. Half of them are makeshift/out of position. Again, when it comes to personnel, it is his fault for not getting someone better, but some of the stuff where United fail are basics. And if players don't understand basics, it's hard for him to learn anything else correctly.
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Woah hold the phone, how am I being aggressive? I'm simply just making my points, not using any offensive language or anything.

Dude I take your point, but honestly, Memphis has been costing us goals with his sloppiness all season, in a big game like this if you pick him you run that risk again.

Also I really hate how people think that having a 'leader in an attacking segment' (I'll just assume you mean Rooney) will make all a difference to that performance we saw tonight for example, or any other poor performance for that matter? None of our attacking players were even in the game, apart from defensively lol.

But even if we roll with the theory that having a leader like Rooney in the attacking sense would make us better, it doesn't make sense because our dreadful run of form stemming from christmas onwards has consisted with him very much part of the side. Rooney has been poor this season anyway, not even adding that as well.
 
zzeezzy said:
Woah hold the phone, how am I being aggressive? I'm simply just making my points, not using any offensive language or anything.

Dude I take your point, but honestly, Memphis has been costing us goals with his sloppiness all season, in a big game like this if you pick him you run that risk again.

Also I really hate how people think that having a 'leader in an attacking segment' (I'll just assume you mean Rooney) will make all a difference to that performance we saw tonight for example, or any other poor performance for that matter? None of our attacking players were even in the game, apart from defensively lol.

But even if we roll with the theory that having a leader like Rooney in the attacking sense would make us better, it doesn't make sense because our dreadful run of form stemming from christmas onwards has consisted with him very much part of the side. Rooney has been poor this season anyway, not even adding that as well.
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Well, passive-aggressive. But I wont hold it against you.

About leader part, well in-form Rooney from 4 or 5 years, yes. He could carry the attack. You need someone who can create chances for others, but also for himself. Mata is good at one thing. Same as Martial. Memphis should have been good at one, and decent at other. But he fails both criteria most of the time. Having individual player who can get others in the game is what United lack in attack. Now, teams just double up on Martial and no one else is a threat in a attack. This is where we lack a player.
 
Vanjagl said:
Well, passive-aggressive. But I wont hold it against you.

About leader part, well in-form Rooney from 4 or 5 years, yes. He could carry the attack. You need someone who can create chances for others, but also for himself. Mata is good at one thing. Same as Martial. Memphis should have been good at one, and decent at other. But he fails both criteria most of the time. Having individual player who can get others in the game is what United lack in attack. Now, teams just double up on Martial and no one else is a threat in a attack. This is where we lack a player.
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Yeh I understand where you're coming from man, unfortunately though I don't think Rooney is that great player he once was anymore to get us back to the top.
 
zzeezzy said:
Yeh I understand where you're coming from man, unfortunately though I don't think Rooney is that great player he once was anymore to get us back to the top.
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Oh most certainly! I've been on 'sell Rooney' boat since 2011/2012. Time to get new face of the franchise. At least till Martial gets there.
 
Scholes: "That's the worst Man Utd performance I've ever seen. They're destroying the Man Utd legacy now."

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Did he really say this on B.T after the game? Find it hard to believe but saw it on a credible guys twitter.
 
zzeezzy said:
Scholes: "That's the worst Man Utd performance I've ever seen. They're destroying the Man Utd legacy now."

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Did he really say this on B.T after the game? Find it hard to believe but saw it on a credible guys twitter.
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He was absolutely livid during the post-game reactions. Looked like he was about to burst into tears. Tore into LVG and the players.
 
That was just garbage. I know we often play poorly at anfield, but that was just pathetic.


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I'm still skeptical of Jose but I'd take him over LVG at this point if I'm being honest and I do believe I speak for all united fans

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