Yeah we seem to enjoy slipping at times lol. His positioning against Arsenal was also second to none. The problem is when you're a youngster when you make a mistake or two, all of a sudden people question you're ability and for some it can crush their confidence. And there's times where he has looked nervous and I'm not surprised-this sort of thing will affect him when he's still learning
I'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree. 100% bollocks. Stones is not very overrated at all. Yes he has made some mistakes, and at times he takes a bit too long with the ball in a dangerous defensive position. Overrated? Not at all. But if he makes a mistake my god do people pounce on him like savage pitbulls ready to crush him. He's only 21, already an excellent defender who is versatile. And I'm not speaking with an ounce of bias here-I've been critical where I've needed to be. I'm speaking as football fan and an England fan. Big clubs want him for a reason.
Rio Ferdinand in his early days was considered lazy and made a lot of mistakes, however given time he developed into a top centre back. Now I'm not saying for sure Stones will definitely reach that level however the media and public should lay off him and just let him get on with his football.
I mean god forbid a developing footballer makes a mistake right?
Rant over
Hopefully he starts perfecting when he can do those sorts of things....or get longer studs!
He really impressed me with his passing for England the other week, always looking to get the ball in to danger areas
Being a Leeds fan I can see the Ferdinand comparison and like you say whether he goes onto to be as good as Rio only time will tell. He needs to learn when to make his moves with the ball just like Rio did but I think we need to be encouraging it rather than getting on his back for it, but the only way he will learn is through making mistakes. I think a lot of it got coached out of Rio's game so hopefully the same won't happen with stones as a ball playing CB gives you so many more options and can open the pitch up. Personally think Citeh could join the queue for his signature and he will Flourish under Pep but Everton no longer need to sell so will need to be a big fee to see him go.
But how he owned rafa Benitez and his wife was pretty funny tho.
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Haha calm down, not meaning that at all.
Course I want 'soap'. Half the fun of football is in that stuff! Red cards, arguments, offside goals. All the comments after, all the counter comments. Some of the best stuff comes from that.
Like Jose and his Wenger "voyeur" comment, that was pretty funny. Jose has many of the best quips actually. That's why I want him in.
You really think Jose will be thinking "It's just another job" ??
I'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree. 100% bollocks. Stones is not very overrated at all. Yes he has made some mistakes, and at times he takes a bit too long with the ball in a dangerous defensive position. Overrated? Not at all. But if he makes a mistake my god do people pounce on him like savage pitbulls ready to crush him. He's only 21, already an excellent defender who is versatile. And I'm not speaking with an ounce of bias here-I've been critical where I've needed to be. I'm speaking as football fan and an England fan. Big clubs want him for a reason.
Rio Ferdinand in his early days was considered lazy and made a lot of mistakes, however given time he developed into a top centre back. Now I'm not saying for sure Stones will definitely reach that level however the media and public should lay off him and just let him get on with his football.
I mean god forbid a developing footballer makes a mistake right?
Rant over
Agree here, I've only seen him a few times this season but he looked so comfortable on the ball (even with his few errors)
Once he works out when and where to do his forward runs and picking passes, he will be unreal. He does actually remind me of Rio movement wise.
He played some cracking passes in that Holland friendly, and also slipped on his **** in possession lol.
That's what worries me though. Big big fee=more pressure on him. But I do feel he'll be better off at a bigger club where they can get the most out of him because there's major problems at Everton right now
Yeah we all love off the field entertainment mate, but IMO people are looking for something that's not there and raising their expectations for another big soap.
Wenger will obviously take a dig at Jose and vice versa but the way people are going with their stories is bit too much.
Yeah it will and I mean I do not feel he is overrated because ultimately what you are paying for is potential, and potential is pretty fluid. If it works out a club will be paying what say 60m for a top class ball playing CB for the best part of the next 10 years which works out at say 6m a year. But coaches need to bring it out of him and have a definite plan and style that suits. But its also about being in a team where he won't be exposed whilst developing so having a CB partner like say Kompany or someone in DM like Schneiderlin etc who will guide him and protect him. If he wants to get to the top of the game he really needs to pick his move very wisely and not base it on cash. But then again he may stay, crazy times ahead this summer be one of the most mental windows in ages.
I'll be awaiting some insulting comments eagerly mate haha
Yeah I expect a mental window lol. This is one of the very few times you'll see me say this-I wouldn't mind if he went to City this time (urgh) because I rate Pep extremely highly. Granted he may take a while to get used to the Prem-or he may not who knows, and Kompany is a tremondous player who's also a model professional, and being in a squad with him would be a tremondous benefit. But right now there's a lot of turbulence at Goodison that will have a negative impact. The club have to be very careful with the fee they are seeking if they do sell-I do not want another saga like we had with Arteta etc
Yeah I also think Pep is the best fit but like you say he does not have an easy job on at City that midfield, well for how Pep plays needs a total restructure. Looks like Yaya will be off and Fernando and Fernandinho are not good enough for me but then having a partner in the CM like Yaya probably doesn't help things.
I am really looking forward to the summer as a neutral, I am hoping it is the best in a while.
Yeah I also think Pep is the best fit but like you say he does not have an easy job on at City that midfield, well for how Pep plays needs a total restructure. Looks like Yaya will be off and Fernando and Fernandinho are not good enough for me but then having a partner in the CM like Yaya probably doesn't help things.
I am really looking forward to the summer as a neutral, I am hoping it is the best in a while.
Stones should stay at Everton. At City/United or any bigger club his every mistake will be highlighted and confidence will be shattered in no time.
Disagree afraid. Goodison is getting more volatile by the day, highlighted by Martinez forcing Baines to apologise for speaking the truth. That there's absolutely no chemistry at our club. Don't get me wrong I'd love it if he did stay. But the way the situation is behind the scenes I can't see it happening. It's very volatile right now
I have seen Everton fans are against Martinez so his time is up?
I always believed Everton is one of the best club to develop youngsters and have lot of patience than other clubs.
I agree though, things are not looking good at Everton but for some reasons I believe Martinez will be sacked this season.
Re Stones, I think the move is bit early. He has lot of learning to do and if he moves for bigger price tag then the pressure would be enormous. Every mistake will be scrutinized and he will be on bench after a mistake.
Looks like every club is having issues except Spurs.
I'd say the cup semi will decide his fate. The way the season has unravelled has been incredibly disheartening. It's all very well playing well away. But to have such a poor home record, with the squad we have is just unacceptable. Okay some results we were unlucky-like the 1-0 loss against West Brom. 33 shots, hit the bar and post, cleared off the line, 14 corners, and a staggering 73% possession. That I can take as bad luck. But when you get found out at home, and don't change your tactics and adjust-that's just very, very poor.
I've defended him in the past, and was very accepting of him when he took charge and was very optomistic. But when your too stubborn to acknowledge flawed tactics and don't bother changing, and mistreat your players....bang out of order. Personally I think we need to change things around regardless of the cup result. I think the dressing room has been lost barring a few players
I remember that the same was said by Wigan fans when it was announced, that he starts off well and when he is founded out he can't alter his tactics. Looks like same pattern is followed.
Moyes back to Everton?
People talk about Jose as short term signing then what is Poch? This is his 3rd job in 3 years and ManUtd would be his 4th in 5 or 6 years. That's not someone you can rely for long term projects.
Also, in the position we are in we should be looking for a proven winner. Already we are few good seasons without trophy, can't afford to waste few more seasons like this.