The Manchester United Thread

djs1 said:
went to a CL group stage game v feyenoord at OT in the 90s,i was a teenager and when we scored the feyenoord fans abused our section.I was inly about 14/15 and a female feyenoord fan called me a cun*t and gestured to me.Not a nice experience.....
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Sorry to read that but not at all surprised sadly. Feyenoord and Utrecht are some of the biggest knobs going. Been in both Arnhem and Eindhoven with L'pool when they've both tipped up to have it with Vitesse and PSV fans.

I can well foresee quite a bit of bother all 4 games with Fenerbahce and Feyenoord. Know as little as the next man about the Ukrainians but that part of the World is always one you need your wits about you and the distance to that place makes it a logistical nightmare. As well as highly expensive. Only saving grace is there's no visa needed like the Russians continue to ***** every on. (And Britain to Russians to be fair in a ridiculous political ***-for-tat.).

Certainly don't want to be taking any naive 'passengers' so to speak to either Holland or Istanbul. If you don't know what you're doing it's way too moody a place to be strolling around.

The Leicester lads yesterday on the other hand who have Brugge, Porto and Copenhagen to look forward to ..... I HATE them! Lol. Couldn't of picked 3 more brilliant places to visit (the cost of Scandinavia aside) if they'd tried.
 
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ninjaskill said:
Given that Mourinho has won a couple of Champions Leagues and I'm sure you have won more on FM he really should defer to you in choosing players shouldn't he. I mean he's only got eleven best coach in the world awards he clearly knows nothing about tactics and where to play players

That isn't a new thing for him after he had his foot broken from a corner he almost never goes in the box for a set piece and given that he is 5'10 I have no problem with him hitting in a free kick. If he were a couple of inches taller I would be annoyed but, given the height in the team and that he is small fine with him hitting it in.
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Did you actually read anything I said before you come up with that? Where did I blame Mourinho? Im blaming Rooney for not sticking to his position and being everywhere else on the pitch. Against Hull in the dying minutes, Rooney was in attacking positions, getting the ball and running at the defence and trying to make things happen, and ultimately set up Rashford for the winner. Yesterday in the dying minutes he was at left back. Almost our record scorer and England, practically the last man back pumping the ball forward.

Why do you have no issue with him taking a free kick on the half way line which is practically the last kick of the game? Cant use his height as an excuse. If the ball drops to somebody in the box would you rather have Rooney there to smash it in or Blind? Would Aguero take freekicks on the halfway line because he's small when you need a goal in the dying seconds? Absolute rubbish.

If Mourinho is to be blamed for player selection then why Lingard? Blatantly obvious for everyone to see that he shouldnt have started that game. But we're all wrong because we're not professional managers that haven't won a few Champions Leagues? Give your head a wobble.
 
RhQQ said:
^ And Pep described Bravo's performance as one of the best he's seen :D (he meant it took a lot of mental strength to bounce backfrom his mistake, but even at that I don't think he bounced back and impressed, he was continuously dodgy)
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Well if professional manager and multiple Champions League winner Pep Guardiola said it was one of the best performances he's ever seen he's obviously right. Any normal person with eyes is clearly wrong and shouldn't have an opinion. Why is this forum here again?
 
ninjaskill said:
Ivanovic was awful United have scored 7 goals this season Rooney scored one assisted two and his free kick led to the goal today so he was key for over half the goals United have scored this season including winners in each of the first three games
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And again you failed to read properly. Ive not slagged off Rooney for his performances so far this season. My problem was him in yesterdays game. Ive got no problem with him taking a free kick in the first half which is a bit deeper that led to the goal. My problem is why with the last kick of the game, you have a striker taking a free kick on the half way line, which is something de gea could have done really from that position, or somebody like Valencia. This wasnt a free kick which was going to be pin point aiming and somebody inparticular. It was just a pump into the box. Dont need Rooney to do that. He would have been more useful in the box incase the ball fell to him rather than somebody like Blind/Valencia. Not really sure how you can argue against that.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Through fan passion, which admittedly has no logical rational to begin with; you mate have to be the most schizophrenic poster there is around these here parts.

You've been buoyant and gushing about Utd with a lot of others in here the first three games, or since Jose's come in more so (which was WAY OTT praise to begin with as an observation for who you played and the stuttering manner of performancse); and then you go to the other end of the spectrum when Utd finally lose a game.

It's either 'CHAMPIONSHIP!' or the World is falling. There's no in-between.

Try staying medium on both wins and loses. It'll help your blood pressure.
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Probably right but I've always held reservations about Valencia, Blind (in the positions they are playing), Lingard and been critical of Rooney for ages.

They were exposed for what they are in that match, Blind made a terrible error for first goal, Valencia was targeted intentionally and Lingard couldn't control a football. Just not good enough at this level, Rooney was his usual self, shows the odd moment of good but outweighs it with losing the ball and slowing play down so often.
 
RhQQ said:
I'll give you that Damola, it also looked as if they were under instruction not to press? I would say Bravo alone wasted almost a combined total of 2 minutes with the ball at his feet, either being very sluggishly pressed into booting it, or not even really pressed at all. Forgetting the defensive error by Blind, the opening goal originally came from Mkhitaryan failing to press/close down Kolarov I think it was, who with ease had a year and a day to measure his route one pass.
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The only time we pressed was when Bravo had the ball. We immediately ran to cover their full backs so he couldnt play the ball out from the back, forcing him to kick it upfield. With Fellaini and Pogba we really should have won more of those balls. The thing that killed us was the first 35 minutes. Not one player could pass a ball 5 yards without giving it away. Eventually they made us pay for giving the ball away in key areas.
 
steveorobbo said:
..... Give your head a wobble.
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Always find the 'He's a professional, you're not so shut the f up what do you know?' or words to that effect lines the most amusing in any argument. It's like ' I got absolutely nottin' else to rebut yer with, so this will end it!'

Same as when someone thinks a particular player/ manager, or even worse the club, is beyond reproach. Thinking as I type of a young beut who was lucky not to get smacked a few years back pre-game under Kenny's second go-around when the teams announced and I'm slating it and him down to some bizarre selections. Forget who, maybe Aquillani or some other ***** was playing with better the bench when this little **** comes at me full venom telling me 'You can't call Kenny! He's a legend. WTF are you like?' ..... Like 'That right yer? Well how about yers F off with that **** ********. Yers weren't even born when I was going all over the f-ing place idolising Kenny, aside from nearly dying watching his team and experiencing that with him. So don't f-ing try tell me what he means to this club and City. But I don't care if you're Kenny Dalglish or Nicky ******* Tanner, NOBODY is bigger than Liverpool FC and if they **** up they deserve to be ******* told and criticised. Yers cheeky lil' ***** yer!' ..... The lad calmed down and f-ed off back to his mates like but **** like that just goes through me.

Don't know why I'm recounting that but it triggered the memory haha. *Calms.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Interesting for me to see how far pushed up he had the 'keeper yesterday as Klopp's been doing exactly the same thing with Karius pre-season now he has a good distributer of the ball in nets to keep the rotation going and constant quick pressure.

The ball playing sweeper 'keeper could become a PL trend.
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Indeed, De Gea has done that several times, despite not being known as a sweeper keeper. Really enhances the play. Of course important to not forget the fundamentals
 
Mike. said:
Indeed, De Gea has done that several times, despite not being known as a sweeper keeper. Really enhances the play. Of course important to not forget the fundamentals
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Even Petr Cech here at Arsenal. He takes a few more risks with his feet than at Chelsea.
 
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Bravo had a pretty bad game but I have no doubt he will end up being an excellent signing for City. Allows them to fully play the Guardiola way. He only met his team mates a week ago, and poor communication led to that collision with Stones and the dropped ball, and then they all got nervous. He will be fine, and you could argue City may have struggled more without him yesterday, because they wouldn't have dominated the match as much with Hart in goals kicking it long every time.
 
Can't exactly have a lot of sympathy for the angle of "don't judge Pogba by his haircut", when he benefits so much from his brand and does so much to encourage it. Many modern footballers have it, because it's a social media phenomenon that comes easily to celebrity, that of the "influencer". The whole idea is to cultivate something greater than the individual, essentially a lifestyle you associate with them. You thought of Beckham you thought of the metrosexual craze, you think of Zlatan you think of this supreme cockiness. Pogba has actively been building his brand for years, and it's that of the young superstar, the flash, brilliant prodigy. When you have an image like that, you have to be on top for it to work. Look at Bendtner, who tried to create the same image and looked like a **** because he didn't back it up on the pitch. Not to mention the fact that when you're doing this so much off the pitch, purposefully putting yourself in the public eye and attracting attention, people are going to wonder why your mind isn't on the game solely ESPECIALLY as so much of the footballing press is still made of a generation who are not used to football as a global business.

If anything, I'd probably say it was more of a homophobic element more than anything, seeing as it's not black players or culture that causes ridicule in the majority of cases, but footballer's perceived foppishness and concern for their looks/fashion. Even that's reaching though.
 
Subtle said:
Can't exactly have a lot of sympathy for the angle of "don't judge Pogba by his haircut", when he benefits so much from his brand and does so much to encourage it. Many modern footballers have it, because it's a social media phenomenon that comes easily to celebrity, that of the "influencer". The whole idea is to cultivate something greater than the individual, essentially a lifestyle you associate with them. You thought of Beckham you thought of the metrosexual craze, you think of Zlatan you think of this supreme cockiness. Pogba has actively been building his brand for years, and it's that of the young superstar, the flash, brilliant prodigy. When you have an image like that, you have to be on top for it to work. Look at Bendtner, who tried to create the same image and looked like a **** because he didn't back it up on the pitch. Not to mention the fact that when you're doing this so much off the pitch, purposefully putting yourself in the public eye and attracting attention, people are going to wonder why your mind isn't on the game solely ESPECIALLY as so much of the footballing press is still made of a generation who are not used to football as a global business.

If anything, I'd probably say it was more of a homophobic element more than anything, seeing as it's not black players or culture that causes ridicule in the majority of cases, but footballer's perceived foppishness and concern for their looks/fashion. Even that's reaching though.
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Biggest rule in statistics - correlation does not imply causation. Haircuts cannot cause below par performances therefore any discussion of it in relation of the match is completely irrational. Having a different haircut wouldn't have necessarily yielded a different outcome. United were beaten tactically.
 
damola3 said:
Biggest rule in statistics - correlation does not imply causation. Haircuts cannot cause below par performances therefore any discussion of it in relation of the match is completely irrational. Having a different haircut wouldn't have necessarily yielded a different outcome. United were beaten tactically.
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In theory sure, but in reality, the logic of thing is largely irrelevant. The whole notion of buying into these influencer crazes is irrational, but the vast majority of people still do anyway. If Taylor Swift put out a **** album tomorrow, people would say that she should be less concerned with her recent spate of boyfriends, change of style and girl squad, and focus more on her music. Pogba and his team are well aware of this and use it to their benefit most of the time. It comes at a price, and this is it. You guys are probably the last ones who should complain about it too, outside of maybe Real, because you play that game extensively for the benefit of your own club.
 
Subtle said:
In theory sure, but in reality, the logic of thing is largely irrelevant. The whole notion of buying into these influencer crazes is irrational, but the vast majority of people still do anyway. If Taylor Swift put out a **** album tomorrow, people would say that she should be less concerned with her recent spate of boyfriends, change of style and girl squad, and focus more on her music. Pogba and his team are well aware of this and use it to their benefit most of the time. It comes at a price, and this is it. You guys are probably the last ones who should complain about it too, outside of maybe Real, because you play that game extensively for the benefit of your own club.
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Those things you have mentioned in relation to Taylor Swift are actually logical. Emotions do have an effect on the quality of an album. Haircuts cannot possibly have an effect on a player's performance unless a player magically misses a header after being unable to see past Maruane Fellaini's afro. You cannot logically criticise him for his haircut unless you could prove that it can cause poor performances
 
steveorobbo said:
Well if professional manager and multiple Champions League winner Pep Guardiola said it was one of the best performances he's ever seen he's obviously right. Any normal person with eyes is clearly wrong and shouldn't have an opinion. Why is this forum here again?
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I was taking the **** at his comments, he was just obviously protecting his player, what are you on about?
 
Alcaraz said:
Well quite obviously you live under a rock then because thats exactly why the media is using that as a stick to beat him with
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I have a friend who is a hairdresser and seems to have a different hair cut every time I see them. Thought it was do to with the job now I know that it's really because they are incredibly arrogant
 
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Just saying.
 
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