Second in the league and 11 points off top means next to nothing to me. Yes it's good to be in the top 4 places but we're United not Arsenal. We're not competing for the top 4 trophy we're competing for the title and when we don't win it it's an unsuccessful season.The thing that really irked me yesterday is how we just so easily let City dictate the game, it was always going to be their game to lose when we setup like that. Which Jose does in every single big game, barring the freak result last week vs Arsenal, our record against big teams is absolutely woeful. Yes Pochettino's isn't great either, but at least he has a style and philosophy that he uses to actually try and win the big games.No one can honestly tell me yesterday we were going to win that game, we had like 3 chances in the entire match, The most annoying thing is how much space we gave City even in our own half with De Bruyne and Silva on the ball. Furthermore, every time we attacked (which was like I say, like a maximum of 5 times in the entire game).... Delph looked vulnerable every single time. We didn't do it anywhere near enough though. A complete lack of a winning mentality or a desire to win from the manager in that game. Even if in his head he wanted to, with that setup we were very unlikely to unless a freak result where City had 30 chances like Arsenal and we scored from our 2 or 3 chances.
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You're in for a horrendous season then zzeezzy, as short of city collapsing, no one is catching them. You might as well stop watching for the rest of the season. And if you really hate Jose you might as well not watch until he leaves.
Poch's style has seen them fall even further away, ans score less goals,and achieve less. So if we're aren't arsenal, why the **** would we want to replicate Spurs so far?
Poch's style has seen them fall even further away, ans score less goals,and achieve less. So if we're aren't arsenal, why the **** would we want to replicate Spurs so far?
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TBF z Utd have been nottin' like a title contending, top side the 4 years since Ferguson hung it up. And all credit to him he managed to motivate one of the poorest groups he had the PL the title his last year. Which was a major surprise to everyone in all honesty. Not least in the final points gap.
One of 6 teams competing for a top 4 slot is the reality of where Utd currently are.
To go from 7th/4th/5th/6th to currently 2nd, if that holds, has to be seen as big progress surely?
One of 6 teams competing for a top 4 slot is the reality of where Utd currently are.
To go from 7th/4th/5th/6th to currently 2nd, if that holds, has to be seen as big progress surely?
Indeed. This also ignores the fact that any other season apart from city being ridiculous, we'd be genuinely fighting at the top or very, very close to it. Whether one likes Jose or what he does, we should he clear, any other season and we'd probably be top of the league. We need to find something to be a bit more special. And I don't think it's at the club yet. We're still not playing at our best, and we need to find a way, whether that's a spark from Jose, or an outside player influence.
Mike, even David Moyes would of been more adventurous in that game yesterday than Jose was. Even Huddersfield and West Ham looked more of a threat in recent games against City than we did. It's ****** embarrassing in big games and I'm really tired of people trying to defend it. The most annoying thing is that we gave City space in our half, their key players had all the time in the world. The few times we did attack, their defence and Delph looked vulnerable. Ffs, they had Fernandinho as a CB for that entire second half!
Go and support city then mate. Because he's not going to change.
Is that really the answer? Jose deserves to be criticised for his big game approach. We're United not West Brom.At least yesterday if we had a bit of a go and they won, you could of said alright we gave it a go. Rather than just doing what 90% of other beaten teams against City have done this season.Yesterday was the opportunity for us to have a go, with that lineup we really should of, rather than just let them walk all over us and hand them the title on a platter.
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You know exactly what you're taking on when you hire Mourinho z. You're sacrificing, in your case, this perceived 'Utd way' of playing attacking footy for results. He try's to win in a different way and that ain't ever changing.
I feel yer as it would bore the living P out of me most weeks watching it. But it is what it is. You accept the trade-off in the hope it brings silverware or you don't employ him the first place.
Can't have it all ways. He got Lorded in here for a 'tactical masterclass' the UEFA Cup final last year. (Not sure if that was you?). When he defended deep and hit on the break against Ajax's U-9's. His standard MO. Nothing 'masterful' about it
You want him and the hope of more trophies, you take the bad with the good.
I feel yer as it would bore the living P out of me most weeks watching it. But it is what it is. You accept the trade-off in the hope it brings silverware or you don't employ him the first place.
Can't have it all ways. He got Lorded in here for a 'tactical masterclass' the UEFA Cup final last year. (Not sure if that was you?). When he defended deep and hit on the break against Ajax's U-9's. His standard MO. Nothing 'masterful' about it
You want him and the hope of more trophies, you take the bad with the good.
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He has to win something this season and a major trophy at that. Even if he makes top 4 it's a failed season if we don't.Next season should be his last if he doesn't deliver anything again. I personally don't want him long-term at all. I want someone with a greater vision and philosophy for our team.
We haven't played good football for about 6 years. The "United" was about whipped crosses. A game style which moyes actually tried to copy and was destroyed for.
We're actually scoring more than we have done for a long time. Only 2 of Ferguson title winning team have ever had more points at this stage. People are being incredibly greedy considering just how bang average we had been since our last title win.
And you want to replace him with Poch, who is actually worse in the big games?
I want Mourinho to actually treat us like a side that is capable of beating a big team. That's not too much to ask. We've spent hunderds of millions and have a lot of quality players. What does it take for Mourinho to let us off the shackles just a bit? Pogba? We're a one man team at the moment, but even with him the approach yesterday would of been the same. We may of been a bit more effective but Pogba would of been negated a lot himself in those tactics.
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Thats a good post tbh. The so called Utd way is overstated and has been even in Fergies last 2-3 years. It’s been ages since we’ve played good football and scored so many goals.
I knew new what we were getting with Mourinho. A winner that will score and win games against the rest, and do anything possible against his rivals. Done it Porto, done it at Madrid, done at Chelsea both times, done it at Milan. Oh shock he’s doing it now.
We have defo progressed under Mourinho a lot. Yes there is room for improvement no doubt. Won us 3 trophies first season. And has is looking at 2 place finish in the league atm after finishing 6th. We’re still in all cups and dominated our CL group with our highest points total ever in a group.
like you said you take the ruff with the smooth! This is not an excuse just an opinion of mine. That he wouldn’t have bought half the players in this squad. That’s spread over 4 different managers.
And we drew Sevilla in the CL next round
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Only thing that would of made big enough of a difference in that game is if Pep was our manager and Jose was theirs. Sad but true.That's not to say that I'm all against Mourinho now because I'm not. But his continous pitfall is the approach against the big teams and when he deserves criticism, it has to be given.
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Don't actually think Sevilla are that good a side compared to the three straight Europa winners. We should have blammend them twice. They are a heck of a great home crowd though. Once they get a sniff of something, it's like Anfield in Europe. Real imposing place. Not hard to see why the Spanish National team invariably goes there in any 'must win' games.
Best place in Spain to visit IMHO. Brilliant place with brilliant people. And cheap as chips. Just the Seville **** Robocop bizzies that batter F out of yers the ground that's the problem.
Best place in Spain to visit IMHO. Brilliant place with brilliant people. And cheap as chips. Just the Seville **** Robocop bizzies that batter F out of yers the ground that's the problem.