The Manchester United Thread

And yet, Liverpool didn't seem to have a problem with taking 50 million of dirty money from a Russian criminal via Torres transfer, and I don't quite recall United fans protesting taking blood money from PSG by selling them Di Maria.

I'd be quite all right if every club was owned by upstanding classy gentlemen who donate to charity and wear top hats to work. But let's be serious here, all of this "my club is more moral than your club" is pure bollocks, because with the right amount of money no club is that bothered what the source is.
 
Tyton said:
And yet, Liverpool didn't seem to have a problem with taking 50 million of dirty money from a Russian criminal via Torres transfer, and I don't quite recall United fans protesting taking blood money from PSG by selling them Di Maria.

I'd be quite all right if every club was owned by upstanding classy gentlemen who donate to charity and wear top hats to work. But let's be serious here, all of this "my club is more moral than your club" is pure bollocks, because with the right amount of money no club is that bothered what the source is.
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Liverpool urged to drop 'unethical' sponsorship deal with Tibetan water company as 27,000 sign petition | The Independent

You can prob tie every club to most major markets somewhere down the line
 
With the Chinese Government holding a 13% stake in City that's not really a road you want to go down either.

But if you so wish the protests were applauded and the ties to anything connected to the Chinese Government condemned the L'pool thread yesterday. I'd love all questionable sponsorship to be cancelled with oppressive regimes. I'd be joining in protests as were planned in earlier interest from the Arab World before FSG, similar to how we brought down Hicks and Gillet if the club was owned by a State with such an appalling human rights record.

I personally just don't see how that can be understated and accepted but that's just my opinion and view of the World.
 
wkdsoul said:
Liverpool urged to drop 'unethical' sponsorship deal with Tibetan water company as 27,000 sign petition | The Independent

You can prob tie every club to most major markets somewhere down the line
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Pretty much. Between Abramovich, the Quataris, and the various Chinesse attempting to enter football, there's been probably north of $10 billion pumped into football over the last decade and eventually spread throughout the leagues. Everybody's dirty you just have to track it far enough.
 
Tyton said:
..... because with the right amount of money no club is that bothered what the source is.
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Doesn't, or shouldn't, extend to a clubs supporters.

But again, just my personal opinion on how I'd feel being run by these States.
 
Like i said you can tie any major club to scum and villainy somewhere, none in a global market can be or will be clean all down the line, in accepting money in or out.
 
Is it ethical? Probably not. Every cent is dirty. Every pound is blood covered. Your government is oppressing so many people worldwide. Yet no one is doing anything about it. Because you're comfortable in your cozy chair in front of your big monitor. If you want to change the world, start changing your self.
 
Vanjagl said:
Is it ethical? Probably not. Every cent is dirty. Every pound is blood covered. Your government is oppressing so many people worldwide. Yet no one is doing anything about it. Because you're comfortable in your cozy chair in front of your big monitor. If you want to change the world, start changing your self.
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Mic Drop. Early contender for best post of 2018.
 
Vanjagl said:
Is it ethical? Probably not. Every cent is dirty. Every pound is blood covered. Your government is oppressing so many people worldwide. Yet no one is doing anything about it. Because you're comfortable in your cozy chair in front of your big monitor. If you want to change the world, start changing your self.
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This in a nutshell. I could track down dirt money in football going back a 100 years if I was bothered enough. Anyone who ever made a deal with Juventus took money from a family that was manufacturing weapons to Nazis, and when Owen went to Madrid, 'Pool took money from club that owes it's wealth to a top bloke general Franco.

But what does all of this accomplish really? **** all. Pay your taxes, help a grandma cross a street, don't be on your phone in the cinema and you'll change the world for the better, far more than all of this bickering ever will.
 
All a Worlds away from being owned by such a State where 75% of the population that are not citizens are basically slaves for the regime. And treated appallingly as such.

How is that so hard to differentiate? When did this merge into being about money per se? People are arguing completely different things here to my own personal feelings on City's ownership and their human rights issues.
 
Vanjagl said:
Is it ethical? Probably not. Every cent is dirty. Every pound is blood covered. Your government is oppressing so many people worldwide. Yet no one is doing anything about it. Because you're comfortable in your cozy chair in front of your big monitor. If you want to change the world, start changing your self.
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Bit harsh to say 'your government'..... every country with money oppresses those that don't have as much.

Money is the root of all evil, undoubtedly.

Personally, I'd love to help out those in need more than I do, but you just can't rely on them getting it these days because even charities are often corrupt as they come.

I'd love Sanchez anyway Mike, just a pity it most likely won't happen as he wants City imo.
 
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I assumed he replied to no one so the "Your government" applied to us all.. nvm.
 
zzeezzy said:
Bit harsh to say 'your government'..... every country with money oppresses those that don't have as much.

Money is the root of all evil, undoubtedly.

Personally, I'd love to help out those in need more than I do, but you just can't rely on them getting it these days because even charities are often corrupt as they come.

I'd love Sanchez anyway Mike, just a pity it most likely won't happen as he wants City imo.
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Pretty much what wkdsoul said.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
All a Worlds away from being owned by such a State where 75% of the population that are not citizens are basically slaves for the regime. And treated appallingly as such.
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Well yes, the Qatari ruling dynasty are thugs and criminals. And they were put in charge by...that's right, those lovely chaps from British Empire at the fallout of Great War. Afterwards, Her Fabolous Majesty Elizabeth II, Queen of England, has kept these fine people in power with a threat of deadly force, roughly until the time when Paisley was about replace Shankly as Liverpool's manager.

So, you know, there's that. We made this region the mess that is, and now we're angry at them that they're not yet at our level of democracy and civil rights.
 
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Which again has no reasonable correlation from most every counterpoint you've put up big man about money and where you can trace it's origins back through the ages. Regardless of different times. (To name but one Franco's Madrid to 21st Century Madrid? Really?).
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
(To name but one Franco's Madrid to 21st Century Madrid? Really?).
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How can you not? Madrid is a globally famous brand, and that's what attracts them sponsors, the TV deals, the shirt sales, the brand is what makes them rich. And the critical part of that brand is they are the most successful club in history of football. Which they wouldn't be, if papa Franco's generous patronage didn't help them to 6 European Cups. He may be a pile of bones but he continues to make them money and attract players.

United have Busby babes and you have Shankley/Paisley era, they have the Franco era, and it's all part of global appeal of the three clubs.

The difference is their legacy is dirty and yours is not.
 
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Come on man. You can't reference back anytime Madrid buy a player to Madrid's foundations for success and equate it to be no different from being owned by heinous owners in the present day as you're accepting money from a club that was once the figurehead of heinous military dictator's reign.

You don't have to be told how silly that one is.

*And your English will do for me kid.
 
From Simon Stoney-

Jose on @ManUtd Jan signings: "Our squad was built not to have new players in Jan. Share idea + philosophy with Mr Woodward + owners. But sometimes it can happen like this, or can appear on the table, a fantastic opportunity. Then you fight for that fantastic opportunity."

Jose general answer to q on @HenrikhMkh: "My approach to players is that every player has a price.
 
Just watched the embargo section of the presser. Mourinho is definitely open to Miki. Leaving and hinted others could go if the price is what they deem acceptable for said player. Also said if we sign a player now ala Sanchez in the Winter we won’t be signing another winger in the Summer.
 
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