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THE PATRIOT CHALLENGE
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******UPDATED - PLEASE FIND ATTACHED TO THE OP THE NEWLY CREATED ENGLISH WONDERKIDS SHORTLIST******


Introduction:


So here's a challenge that I set myself for a while on FM11, still very much applicable for fm 12. Win the Premier League using all English players. Easier said than done.

Disclaimer: I am not a BNP member nor am I trying to encourage xenophobism - (I do infact, live abroad), I am just a big fan of trying to bring through home grown players in an attempt to make our useless national team worthy of winning a world cup by giving more English players a chance.

Rules:
  • Choose any of the 20 English Premier League teams and make yourself manager. I completed this on 11.3 originally but for Marshall's update/FM 12 when it comes out, I don't see why this still cannot be applied.
  • Any future purchases MUST be of English nationality - just to be clear, this means that the player must always have an English flag next to them - Scottish, Irish, Welsh players CANNOT be purchased. Loans deals are of course permitted, but once again only for English players.
  • Any player not of English nationality can never play a single professional game for your team - they have to either be sold or loaned out. Any player that cannot be sold must be dropped to the reserves.
  • If you are unfortunate enough to buy an 'English' player who later opts to play for another country, they must be dropped and sold (this happened to me unfornately with Tom Cairney)
  • Downloadable tactics from this site can be used, although I made my own.
  • Foreign coaches ARE allowed
  • You can select the season expection you feel is obtainable, though given the difficulty in the first season, I would advise the minimum.
Choosing your team:

What makes this challenge rather unique, is that it turns the league set up on it's head. You could go for Man United, knowing that with all their new signings, there are a fair number of English players already on their books. However, can you be really be sure that you will be able to win the title at the first time of asking (inevitably getting the sack and having no time to build your team otherwise?).

The first season should realistically just be about survival and trying to develop your squad for the future when you can really mount a challenge (it took me 5 seasons before I got it with Sunderland, 4 should be achievable).

Think about: Current English players in your team, Budget, First season expectations, how much money you can raise via sales, youth set up and training facilities.


Some team guides and grade difficulty:

If anyone has an idea for points scoring then I'm all ears, but the challenge is more in seeing who can actually win the title.

I've calculated these grades out of twenty (with 20 being the hardest) and based on a combination of current squads, budgets and season expectations to gauge the level of difficulty for each team. I believe that this challenge should be fun for all levels of FM manager as some squads are clearly more geared towards beginners and others for experts.

Arsenal:
First team players: Theo Walcott, Jack Wilshere, Kieran Gibbs, Sanchez Watt, Craig Eastmond
Worthy mentions from reserves: Henri Lansbury, Carl Jenkinson, Kyle Bartley, Emmanuel Frimpong, Gavin Hoyte, Rhys Murphy, Luke Freeman
Hot Prospects from youth: Alex Chamberlain
Budget: €40m
Season expectations: Euro qualification through league finish (Media Prediction - 4th)

Résumé: Arsenal, perhaps unsurprisingly, are a tough cookie given that they are one of the most foreign teams in the league. In Theo Walcott and Jack Wilshere however, they have two of the best British players out there as well as a wealth of future stars in the ranks. A healthy budget of €40m + sales of assets should be a big help, but lets face it, for the mass investment you need to get into Europe, you're going to need it.

Grade difficulty:
10/20

Aston Villa:
First team players: Stephen Warnock, Emile Heskey, Gabriel Agbonlahor, Darren Bent, Jermaine Jenas (loan), Fabian Delph, Nathan Delfouneso, Marc Albrighton
Worthy mentions from reserves: Gary Gardner
Budget: €15m
Season Expectations: Top half finish

Résumé: Without Downing and Young, this challenge has been just that bit harder than it was on 11.3. Nonetheless, they possess plenty of speed in their team with the likes of Delph, Delfouneso, Gabby and Darren Bent in the team, should be regarded as one of the easiest to survive the first season and push on for the title.

Grade difficulty: 1/20

Bolton:
First team players: Paul Robinson, Zat Knight, Gary Cahill, Nigel Reo-Coker, Chris Eagles, Robbie Blake, Tyrone Mears, Kevin Davies, Darren Pratley, David Wheater, Mark Davies
Worthy mentions from reserves: Fabrice Muamba, Sean Davis
Budget: €8m
Season Expections: Mid Table finish


Résumé: Well, English players of premiership standard are in abundance, so fortunately not much change is needed to get a first 11 together. The good news is that with a couple of transfers, a mid table finish should be well within reach. The bad news - some of the best players aren't exactly spring chickens, could prove difficult to make that next step up to challenge for the title in the following seasons and with only €8m available, it isn't going to happen straight away.


Grade difficulty: 8/20

If the thread picks up in popularity, I will add more quick guides as time goes on, I'll tell you right now though that managing the newly promoted teams (perhaps with the exception of QPR) and Blackburn, in this challenge and under these conditions will be next to impossible.
 
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I am not English, but I am interested.

Could you write a guide on Wigan Athletic?
 
Why does it have to be only for the Premier League? It would also be a challenge on other leagues such as Italy, Germany, France, Portugal...
 
easy be villa they have a good engish base team already just at a few players
 
I am not English, but I am interested.

Could you write a guide on Wigan Athletic?

Sure, they would definitely be a great challenge for this. Will have it up in the next few days.

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Why does it have to be only for the Premier League? It would also be a challenge on other leagues such as Italy, Germany, France, Portugal...

Of course. I didn't mention other leagues for two reasons:

1 I fully believe that due to England players overall quality combined to facing international opposition. This league is hardest to try this challenge with.

And 2, pick any other league, it won't be as competitive and it is arguably easier just simply due to better quality players.

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easy be villa they have a good engish base team already just at a few players

Agreed that they're possibly the easiest team to start this with (even more so when they still had downing and young), but don't get confused between British players and english players. Try it and see how it goes.
 
Ill try this with Liverpool once the full game comes out :). I'm not relishing having to sell Danny Wilson though.
 
Interesting concept, i'll give this a go sometime.

Why does it have to be only for the Premier League? It would also be a challenge on other leagues such as Italy, Germany, France, Portugal...

Because the domestic player bias is only around 50% whereas in places like spain and france there are rules meaning that squads are made up of a large percentage of domestic players.
 
Ill try this with Liverpool once the full game comes out :). I'm not relishing having to sell Danny Wilson though.

Yup, bummer. If the season expectations stay the same as in the demo, the minimum you can select will be title challenge - Liverpool have a decent squad to try this with, but it's a very steep objective for the first season when you take away the foreign players and an injured Gerrard.
 
But one point I will make just because they want to play for wales, Scotland or Ireland doesn't mean they are not English!!!!

Sure, they would definitely be a great challenge for this. Will have it up in the next few days.

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Of course. I didn't mention other leagues for two reasons:

1 I fully believe that due to England players overall quality combined to facing international opposition. This league is hardest to try this challenge with.

And 2, pick any other league, it won't be as competitive and it is arguably easier just simply due to better quality players.

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Agreed that they're possibly the easiest team to start this with (even more so when they still had downing and young), but don't get confused between British players and english players. Try it and see how it goes.
 
But one point I will make just because they want to play for wales, Scotland or Ireland doesn't mean they are not English!!!!

Sorry to sound dim, I don't know what point you are trying to make but I haven't understood it. The challenge is you can only buy players with an English flag next to their name - reason for this explained in the challenge rules.
 
I'm going to try it with Arsenal.

Good luck, don't forget to check out your reserves, the likes of Bartley and Lansbury are definite talents for the future amongst others. Buy well though, very difficult first season objective.
 
Just won 3-1 against Sunderland. Wigan barely had any English players. I had to raid an entire starting 11 from the championship.
 
Just won 3-1 against Sunderland. Wigan barely had any English players. I had to raid an entire starting 11 from the championship.

Lol nice, who did you bring in? I'll do a quick guide on Wigan for this when I get 5 minutes, they are defo not an easy team to go for, you're ok for keepers but other then that... Well... you have Ben Watson lol
 
Does anyone know which club has the LEAST English players in the team, Senior squad only.
 
Wigan have 4 players only. Chris Kirkland (GK), Mike Pollit (GK), Ben Watson (MC), and David Jones (MC). Though, they only be 2, since Kirkland is injured for a year or so, and Jones will get a call-up from Wales.
 
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