totally agree with you,shocking decision that really makes no sense other than being greed on the part of the clubs heirachy
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totally agree with you,shocking decision that really makes no sense other than being greed on the part of the clubs heirachy
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Nottin more than pure greed mate. The rats have completely sold the lads in Spain down the river.
We’ve put up with a heck of a lot through the ‘greed is good League’ era. Aka the Premier League. From extortionate ticket prices, to games being played at ridiculous times on ridiculous days, with absolutely zero consideration to the paying supporter, without whom they’d have NO game, let alone TV product. The subscription fees to watch football on the TV. Getting F around following your team in Europe with the extra games on different days and the airlines joining the clubs in exploiting the last penny out of everyone. And all points in between.
But I think that would be the final straw for me if/ when the PL go down this disgraceful road through nothing more but out and out greed.
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The 39th game B/S.
Yeah, that’s unbelievably a thing that’s been mooted for over a decade now.
Mercifully, to this point they’ve stopped short of going down that road. But if they now follow Spain’s lead .....
You better get ready for Liverpool playing in Boston during the season. Liverpool vs Manchester United anyone?$$$ With the NFL dying, there is a rich market ready to be exploited. If not by the EPL, then another league or sport.
Not gonna disagree with what you said, the supporter in the stadium gets a rough deal, but, and I am probably out of touch a bit as I emigrated 9 years ago, aren;t away tickets at least price-capped? I heard something like 30 quid, and I think Cardiff are subsidising away tickets for their fans to the tune of a tenner per ticket - so if you are a Cardiff fan, you pay 20 for an away match ticket. Good on Cardiff if what I hear is true.
I also read an article (can't remember where sorry) that showed 18 premier league clubs would still run a profit if they played a season behind closed doors - such is the power of the TV money and the strength of the PL as a commodity. The match-day fan isn't required anymore.
As for teams playing in other countries, that doesn't sit well with me either, but again, here in New Zealand, I follow the Phoenix, it is a 7 hour drive to the ground - and back. They are a Wellington team, but play some of their home games at other cities - I can see them in Auckland and/or Hamilton, so can understand, in a small way, the team going to the fans. For the Spanish clubs, the Hispanic following they have in the US is huge. For Spanish fans they miss one game, for the US fans it's the chance of a lifetime to see their team.
As I said, I'm not gonna disagree, just offer an alternative viewpoint, if Man Utd were to play Liverpool or City in Wellington I would fight tooth and nail to get a ticket. ****, I would for ANY PL match to be fair. In the meantime, I will keep paying my TV subscriptions so I can see MY team and support them as best I can from distance. To be fair though, I am seeing more minutes of my team now than I ever did as a season ticket holder in the 'old days' before Sky.
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The thing would not only be unfair to fans, but for players also. They play for specific league and fans. But suddenly they need to travel overseas for one game and then back. It is not friendly to promote the team and get preseason training, they are used to play competitive match somewhere else for plain and simple - Money.
What has happened then with La Liga? If anyone could clarify I'm a bit out of the picture not been around much lately.
But just going off the discussion here, it would be absolutely disgusting if they started making PL overseas. The day that happens is the day I stop following football because it has officially sold out. Well I'll follow lower league maybe but other than that I'd be done.
However lets face it, it's probably just a matter of time that happens, most PL clubs are run by foreign owners and the league itself is run by money men and sponsors. That's all it's about now, so eventually I think they'll start taking it abroad to make even more money or they'll create that fantasy league **** where they put major teams from European leagues together.
But just going off the discussion here, it would be absolutely disgusting if they started making PL overseas. The day that happens is the day I stop following football because it has officially sold out. Well I'll follow lower league maybe but other than that I'd be done.
However lets face it, it's probably just a matter of time that happens, most PL clubs are run by foreign owners and the league itself is run by money men and sponsors. That's all it's about now, so eventually I think they'll start taking it abroad to make even more money or they'll create that fantasy league **** where they put major teams from European leagues together.
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From a financial standpoint gate revenue is minimal now as opposed to it used to being a club’s main source of income.
But matchday fans will will always be ‘requured’ mate. Without them and the ambiance there’s NO TV spectacular. ****, without them, there’s NO game.
Football without fans is NOTHING.
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They’ve agreed a 15 year deal with the group behind the pre-season ICC to play La Liga matches in both the US and Canada. Spain trying to corner the global TV market at the expense of any integrity it had left.
tbh utd and pool have more pull than all of la liga
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Fans will argue both sides of this regardles,
Best supported clubs in the world 100k for a friendly in bumfeck, USA... amazing,
Wanna the clubs to go over and let them see a game that matters, nah **** em plastic fans..
Its a global product has been for years, this step is coming. They'll prob start with the charity shield though in Eng, the TV deal to big the rest of Europe will try this first luckily.
Best supported clubs in the world 100k for a friendly in bumfeck, USA... amazing,
Wanna the clubs to go over and let them see a game that matters, nah **** em plastic fans..
Its a global product has been for years, this step is coming. They'll prob start with the charity shield though in Eng, the TV deal to big the rest of Europe will try this first luckily.
It would just make the level of playing field even wider, for the best supported clubs like United/Liverpool in USA for example then the attendances would be through the roof. But then what about the smaller teams, would they attract big attendances like that... highly doubt it... most fans overseas would probably not even know who Huddersfield was. (no offence).
I just hate the whole ethos and idea behind it to be honest, I'll never be convinced or even want to be a part of it.
I think you missed my point my friend. Match-day fans are not required for the clubs in PL to turn a profit. Whether they are needed for the atmosphere, spectacle and TV audience is a different argument and one we would both agree on.
Financially though, they are not needed for the clubs to make money.
Watching ESPN last night, they had the guy who is heading the organisation in the states, he made some interesting points. Didn't fully convince me though, but apparently, La Liga are keen for it to happen and 'most' of the major clubs are as well. He didn't specify which ones, but contractually I guess they can't until it is signed and confirmed.
The essence of what he was saying though was "La Liga are looking at the Premier League and seeing the success, they are open to new ideas to help them achieve the same success" - for 'success' read 'money' but the PL is by far the richest league, due to the corporate approach, which, if you remember was why it was set up in the first place - clubs wanting more control over TV and marketing rights so broke away from the Football League. UEFA, seeing this happen, also put in place the Champions League to head-off the talk about a break-away European Competition which was pretty close to happening at the time.
I can see the Community Shield or somesuch being used as a marketing tool to hawk around the world, but who knows in this day and age.
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It was a move always coming the Italian super cup used to be in China in Decemeber. Just look at US sports NFL, MLB and the NBA will all have games in London in their next season. The Jacksonville Jaguars fans lose 1 of 8 home games to London every season. All sports leagues are trying to capture fans in new areas and after you've seen five friendlies the sixth one really begins to lose it's appeal especially at the cost. The thing I don't get with the La Liga deal is having only one game per season makes it unfair on the two teams involved especially the one that loses a home game as they will have to deal with travel and at least six hours of time difference when they are back to Spain. Unless it is the last game before the winter break whoever faces the two teams who have played in the US next will have a huge advantage over them and if it is tight at the top or bottom can imagine **** will be raised if someone is forced to play away.
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How on earth is that not a red? It wasnt even given as a free kick!
How on earth is that not a red? It wasnt even given as a free kick!
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The ref was following the ball so wasn’t looking at where it happened.
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Thats the point though isnt it, growing the brand, sat with well known as a one off. The next time level a vs b. etc. Depending on where the games are held, for the spainish league the american market, Mexican+ nationalities make up 11% of the population.
Teams are adopted for all sorts of reasons worldwide. My Dad did, guy at work got me into it, i was at a game to see Valencia when Girona battled for 90 mins and nicked it in overtime etc etc.. They came to our school/college to train and gave a few lads a trial?
Depends if the FA is wise enough to stagger the money based on rep up, instead of down etc. Its a decent idea unless its used as a cash grab for bigger teams and not actually a market push for the whole league.
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The PL product is fine as it is. There’s not many more profitable business’ anywhere the World over.
Taking a sports league from one Country to another is just inherently wrong and flys against everything a sports team should be about. I love the NFL. Absolutely hate the Wembley/ Mexico games. I get it. That’s not a Worldwide sport per se so they’re trying to grow the product. But it’s still not right and not fair on the club losing a home game. But the World wide game doesn’t need that at all.
Benefits nobody outside of the TV watcher and the continued greed of the clubs.
Taking a sports league from one Country to another is just inherently wrong and flys against everything a sports team should be about. I love the NFL. Absolutely hate the Wembley/ Mexico games. I get it. That’s not a Worldwide sport per se so they’re trying to grow the product. But it’s still not right and not fair on the club losing a home game. But the World wide game doesn’t need that at all.
Benefits nobody outside of the TV watcher and the continued greed of the clubs.
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Tough baptism for Fulham and boy WHU are gonna have to start gelling and quick. Saints look awful!