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The Question: What has gone wrong for Fernando Torres at Chelsea?
The Spaniard looks like a vanity signing for Roman Abramovich and is destined to struggle unless he is deployed as a lone striker

The Question: What has gone wrong for Fernando Torres at Chelsea? | Jonathan Wilson | Football | guardian.co.uk

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Fernando Torres is proving to be an expensive problem at Chelsea. Photograph: Stefan Wermuth/Reuters

Football is not a predictable game. A team can have 20 chances and still lose to a side that musters only one. All a coach can do is manipulate the percentages as best he can in his favour. With that caveat in mind, though, a prediction – in the next decade, no side will win a major international tournament playing an orthodox 4-4-2.

When a good side play with three central midfielders, whether in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 (or either of their close cousins, 4‑2‑1‑3 and 4-1-2-3), they will almost inevitably dominate possession against a side playing only two central midfielders. The old defence of a high offside line simply is not as effective as it used to be thanks to the liberalisation of the rule.

Even if the three do not dominate possession, fielding only two central midfelders leaves a side vulnerable if one of those central players pushes forward, a problem that dogged Manchester United in European competition for much of the late 1990s (the defeats to Borussia Dortmund in 1997, Monaco in 1998 and Real Madrid in 2000; the success of 1999 might have been less fraught with a more cautious approach), and could be glimpsed again in the nervy final minutes of the last-16 victory over Marseille.

It was notable that in the first leg of the Champions League quarter-final, as soon as Chelsea switched from 4-4-2 to 4-3-3, so too did Manchester United, matching them shape-for-shape rather than offering numerical superiority in the centre. Nonetheless, Chelsea had much their best spell in that final 20 minutes. Even Fernando Torres looked sharper, drawing a superb save from Edwin van der Sar with a header back across goal, and flicking the ball on for Ramires leading to the incident in which Patrice Evra got away with a foul on the Brazilian on the 18-yard line. This raises the question of why Chelsea have switched to a 4-4-2.

The lesson of Vienna

One of the oddities of Euro 2008 was that Spain played their best football without their top scorer. David Villa got five goals in Spain's first four games, but it was after he was injured 34 minutes into the semi-final against Russia that Spain produced their best stuff. Villa was replaced by Cesc Fábregas, and the extra man in midfield – a switch from 4-1-3-2 to 4-1-4-1 – allowed Spain to pen in Russia's full-backs, Alexander Anyukov and Yuri Zhirkov, who had looked threatening in the opening stages. The change also allowed Torres to operate as a lone forward. He promptly produced his best performance of a tournament in which he had begun to draw criticism as Spain won 3-0, and topped that with his display against Germany in the final.

The lesson seemed clear: Torres is at his best operating alone. He is quick, and so adept on the counterattack, he offers enough physical presence to hold the ball up, and he is intelligent enough in his use of the ball to bring runners from deep into play. He seemed at the time the model of a modern centre-forward. That was how he was used most successfully at Liverpool, which raises the question of why, since he joined Chelsea, he has so persistently been used in a 4-4-2.

Other issues

The formation is not the only problem, clearly. Football is littered with examples of forwards – Ronaldo, Alan Shearer, Michael Owen – who have lost a fraction of pace after a major operation. It is to be hoped that Torres, now 27, is not one of them, but he is discernibly slower than he was 18 months ago. With the European Championship, the Confederations Cup and the World Cup, it is 2007 since he had a proper summer break. Others in the Spain squad, of course, have been subjected to a similarly hectic schedule (although the intensity of the Premier League probably makes those based in England more prone to fatigue), but the combination of tiredness and injury is a debilitating combination – as Andriy Shevchenko found in his days at Chelsea.

Then there is the great intangible of confidence. Coming back from his operation, Torres had a poor World Cup, which perhaps made him doubt his recovery. He needed to return to a calm, stable club where he could feel his way back in to form, but instead he went back to a Liverpool whose ownership was being decided in the courts and where a lame-duck manager was being hammered by fans and players alike. Whatever you think of the rights and wrongs of Torres leaving Anfield, the environment was not helpful to a player in need of reassurance. He was out of form but as in previous seasons, he was expected to be one of the two or three players to drag the team to respectability.

Moving to Chelsea has only increased the pressure. He has again joined a club scrabbling for form, only this time he has done so with the expectation that a £50m price-tag brings, and without any of the goodwill brought by memories of past performances. The journalist Patrick Barclay raised the suggestion last weekend that Torres may prove to be the worst transfer in the history of football and while it would be absurd to write him off this early, that could easily turn out to be the case. The current holder of that title is probably Shevchenko – 47 largely desultory appearances for Chelsea after a £30m move – which suggests lessons have not been learned.

Mourinho's ghost

Money does not bring wisdom. Centre-forwards are glamorous and exciting, and it is understandable that a man who can effectively buy what he wants should acquire too many. Shevchenko and Torres, though, have become to Abramovich what the gold taps were to Saddam Hussein. Since Mourinho's time, Chelsea's squad have been geared to play 4-1-2-3 – something that is particularly true of the midfield. With a holding player, Frank Lampard and Michael Essien have licence to get forward and provide a goal threat from deep.

There has been a slight evolution, in that Mourinho preferred his full-backs to sit relatively deep and operated with genuine wide-forwards in Arjen Robben and Damien Duff, while more modern incarnations have had Nicolas Anelka playing half-wide on the right and the muscular presence of Florent Malouda on the left with much of the width provided by the full-backs. The basic shape, though, remains the same. Luiz Felipe Scolari and Ancelotti have both attempted to change formation; one was ousted and one ended up going back to 4-1-2-3. Perhaps Avram Grant did little management in getting Chelsea to the 2008 Champions League final, but at least he had the wit not to change a shape that worked.

Torres's arrival, though, seems to have brought an edict that Ancelotti must play him and either Didier Drogba or Anelka in the biggest games. That does not suit either forward, and 4-4-2 does not suit the rest of the squad. Lampard needs a holder behind him to be able to make the forward runs that have brought him so many goals. Whether Malouda or Zhirkov plays on the left, with Ramires shuttling on the right, there is a dearth of creative spark. Ancelotti, quite rightly, attacked those players who were trying to win Saturday's game against Wigan single-handedly and called for greater "teamwork", but his real problem, surely, is that the team does not work.

Yes, Torres is clearly anxious to make an impression, score his first goal for the club and stop the clock on his barren period, but even if the whole squad are in form, it is hard to see how the present squad can play fluently in a 4-4-2 (and even if they do, they would probably be too open to win a major competition).

Perhaps the logic is that, at 32, Drogba is nearing the end of his career – although he was a later starter in professional football which may prolong his effectiveness – and Torres is seen as his long-term replacement. Even then, though, as this analysis by Miguel Delaney highlights, Chelsea may not have the players to get the best out of him. Torres is not a Drogba figure who will win high balls; he thrives on through balls and low crosses (and note how his few good moments on Saturday were related to the involvement of Yossi Benayoun). Perhaps Torres is only the first of a flock of signings, but if so it seems almost cruel to have exposed him before the support structure is in place.

If the intention is to build a new team around Torres, it seems a remarkable gamble given there is no guarantee he will fully recover the form of 18 months ago. And if the intention was for Torres to replace Drogba, of course, there should be no compulsion to play him. He could come off the bench, slowly feeling his way into the role he would occupy next season. All of which suggests that Torres is, like Shevchenko, at least in part a vanity signing by Abramovich. That is not good for the player, and it is not good for Chelsea.
 
If you don't create chances for him he can't score, as simple as that. At Liverpool he had Gerrard behind him who continuously picked him out with through balls, whereas at Chelsea he has no one. The only glimpse of a partnership was on Saturday when Yossi Benayoun came on and linked up well with him.

With the current players Chelsea have, we won't be seeing the best of Fernando Torres.
 
I reckon if Lampard forms a good partnership with Torres he will score. I also think the problem is he cannot play up front with Drogba.
 
Scoring goals is one issue but it becomes more of an issue if his performances have poor but they have not been. Chelsea are used to having Drogba upfront and they know how to feed him but with Torres they have to adapt a new way of playing so its not Torres who has to adapt its the players around him and Essien stated this yesterday in the press conference. Torres's performances have been very good even if he hasent scored any goals hence why the Chelsea fans havn't got on his back (although they wouldnt do anyway because we are not like that). I am fully convinced he will be a great signing for Chelsea but we wont see him scoring on a regular basis until next season when the team get a whole summers training to create little partnerships. But if Torres is to score goals on a regualr basis this season then it lies down to him and Benayoun. We all saw their partnership when they played for Liverpool and we had a 30minute glipse of that on Saturday and it looked deadly.

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The Question: What has gone wrong for Fernando Torres at Chelsea?
The Spaniard looks like a vanity signing for Roman Abramovich and is destined to struggle unless he is deployed as a lone striker

The Question: What has gone wrong for Fernando Torres at Chelsea? | Jonathan Wilson | Football | guardian.co.uk

fernandotorresisprovin0.jpg

Fernando Torres is proving to be an expensive problem at Chelsea. Photograph: Stefan Wermuth/Reuters

Football is not a predictable game. A team can have 20 chances and still lose to a side that musters only one. All a coach can do is manipulate the percentages as best he can in his favour. With that caveat in mind, though, a prediction – in the next decade, no side will win a major international tournament playing an orthodox 4-4-2.

When a good side play with three central midfielders, whether in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 (or either of their close cousins, 4‑2‑1‑3 and 4-1-2-3), they will almost inevitably dominate possession against a side playing only two central midfielders. The old defence of a high offside line simply is not as effective as it used to be thanks to the liberalisation of the rule.

Even if the three do not dominate possession, fielding only two central midfelders leaves a side vulnerable if one of those central players pushes forward, a problem that dogged Manchester United in European competition for much of the late 1990s (the defeats to Borussia Dortmund in 1997, Monaco in 1998 and Real Madrid in 2000; the success of 1999 might have been less fraught with a more cautious approach), and could be glimpsed again in the nervy final minutes of the last-16 victory over Marseille.

It was notable that in the first leg of the Champions League quarter-final, as soon as Chelsea switched from 4-4-2 to 4-3-3, so too did Manchester United, matching them shape-for-shape rather than offering numerical superiority in the centre. Nonetheless, Chelsea had much their best spell in that final 20 minutes. Even Fernando Torres looked sharper, drawing a superb save from Edwin van der Sar with a header back across goal, and flicking the ball on for Ramires leading to the incident in which Patrice Evra got away with a foul on the Brazilian on the 18-yard line. This raises the question of why Chelsea have switched to a 4-4-2.

The lesson of Vienna

One of the oddities of Euro 2008 was that Spain played their best football without their top scorer. David Villa got five goals in Spain's first four games, but it was after he was injured 34 minutes into the semi-final against Russia that Spain produced their best stuff. Villa was replaced by Cesc Fábregas, and the extra man in midfield – a switch from 4-1-3-2 to 4-1-4-1 – allowed Spain to pen in Russia's full-backs, Alexander Anyukov and Yuri Zhirkov, who had looked threatening in the opening stages. The change also allowed Torres to operate as a lone forward. He promptly produced his best performance of a tournament in which he had begun to draw criticism as Spain won 3-0, and topped that with his display against Germany in the final.

The lesson seemed clear: Torres is at his best operating alone. He is quick, and so adept on the counterattack, he offers enough physical presence to hold the ball up, and he is intelligent enough in his use of the ball to bring runners from deep into play. He seemed at the time the model of a modern centre-forward. That was how he was used most successfully at Liverpool, which raises the question of why, since he joined Chelsea, he has so persistently been used in a 4-4-2.

Other issues

The formation is not the only problem, clearly. Football is littered with examples of forwards – Ronaldo, Alan Shearer, Michael Owen – who have lost a fraction of pace after a major operation. It is to be hoped that Torres, now 27, is not one of them, but he is discernibly slower than he was 18 months ago. With the European Championship, the Confederations Cup and the World Cup, it is 2007 since he had a proper summer break. Others in the Spain squad, of course, have been subjected to a similarly hectic schedule (although the intensity of the Premier League probably makes those based in England more prone to fatigue), but the combination of tiredness and injury is a debilitating combination – as Andriy Shevchenko found in his days at Chelsea.

Then there is the great intangible of confidence. Coming back from his operation, Torres had a poor World Cup, which perhaps made him doubt his recovery. He needed to return to a calm, stable club where he could feel his way back in to form, but instead he went back to a Liverpool whose ownership was being decided in the courts and where a lame-duck manager was being hammered by fans and players alike. Whatever you think of the rights and wrongs of Torres leaving Anfield, the environment was not helpful to a player in need of reassurance. He was out of form but as in previous seasons, he was expected to be one of the two or three players to drag the team to respectability.

Moving to Chelsea has only increased the pressure. He has again joined a club scrabbling for form, only this time he has done so with the expectation that a £50m price-tag brings, and without any of the goodwill brought by memories of past performances. The journalist Patrick Barclay raised the suggestion last weekend that Torres may prove to be the worst transfer in the history of football and while it would be absurd to write him off this early, that could easily turn out to be the case. The current holder of that title is probably Shevchenko – 47 largely desultory appearances for Chelsea after a £30m move – which suggests lessons have not been learned.

Mourinho's ghost

Money does not bring wisdom. Centre-forwards are glamorous and exciting, and it is understandable that a man who can effectively buy what he wants should acquire too many. Shevchenko and Torres, though, have become to Abramovich what the gold taps were to Saddam Hussein. Since Mourinho's time, Chelsea's squad have been geared to play 4-1-2-3 – something that is particularly true of the midfield. With a holding player, Frank Lampard and Michael Essien have licence to get forward and provide a goal threat from deep.

There has been a slight evolution, in that Mourinho preferred his full-backs to sit relatively deep and operated with genuine wide-forwards in Arjen Robben and Damien Duff, while more modern incarnations have had Nicolas Anelka playing half-wide on the right and the muscular presence of Florent Malouda on the left with much of the width provided by the full-backs. The basic shape, though, remains the same. Luiz Felipe Scolari and Ancelotti have both attempted to change formation; one was ousted and one ended up going back to 4-1-2-3. Perhaps Avram Grant did little management in getting Chelsea to the 2008 Champions League final, but at least he had the wit not to change a shape that worked.

Torres's arrival, though, seems to have brought an edict that Ancelotti must play him and either Didier Drogba or Anelka in the biggest games. That does not suit either forward, and 4-4-2 does not suit the rest of the squad. Lampard needs a holder behind him to be able to make the forward runs that have brought him so many goals. Whether Malouda or Zhirkov plays on the left, with Ramires shuttling on the right, there is a dearth of creative spark. Ancelotti, quite rightly, attacked those players who were trying to win Saturday's game against Wigan single-handedly and called for greater "teamwork", but his real problem, surely, is that the team does not work.

Yes, Torres is clearly anxious to make an impression, score his first goal for the club and stop the clock on his barren period, but even if the whole squad are in form, it is hard to see how the present squad can play fluently in a 4-4-2 (and even if they do, they would probably be too open to win a major competition).

Perhaps the logic is that, at 32, Drogba is nearing the end of his career – although he was a later starter in professional football which may prolong his effectiveness – and Torres is seen as his long-term replacement. Even then, though, as this analysis by Miguel Delaney highlights, Chelsea may not have the players to get the best out of him. Torres is not a Drogba figure who will win high balls; he thrives on through balls and low crosses (and note how his few good moments on Saturday were related to the involvement of Yossi Benayoun). Perhaps Torres is only the first of a flock of signings, but if so it seems almost cruel to have exposed him before the support structure is in place.

If the intention is to build a new team around Torres, it seems a remarkable gamble given there is no guarantee he will fully recover the form of 18 months ago. And if the intention was for Torres to replace Drogba, of course, there should be no compulsion to play him. He could come off the bench, slowly feeling his way into the role he would occupy next season. All of which suggests that Torres is, like Shevchenko, at least in part a vanity signing by Abramovich. That is not good for the player, and it is not good for Chelsea.

This is just paper talk simple as that. Ancelotti was asked if he would welcome both Luiz and Torres into the squad and Ancelotti said yes i would love to have them both and who wouldnt. Unlike the Shevchenko case where it was publicly known that Mourinho didnt want Shevchenko.
 
I think Torres will pretty much come good. Lad needs a long overdue break over the summer. Once fully rested up, convinced he'll be back to usual goal-scoring self
 
This is just paper talk simple as that. Ancelotti was asked if he would welcome both Luiz and Torres into the squad and Ancelotti said yes i would love to have them both and who wouldnt. Unlike the Shevchenko case where it was publicly known that Mourinho didnt want Shevchenko.

It isn't paper talk at all. Wilson has specifically pointed out his reasons for why he personally thinks that Torres is a luxury signing by Abramovich, not citing from any major news source nor speculating about how Abramovich works. All he has said are facts: Torres might be a replacement for Drogba. If so, why play him with such regularity now? If not, why buy him at all for a squad that will not fit him. Wilson has said that could be in part a vanity signing for Abramovich, which he definitely could be. What you're arguing against is paper talk. What Wilson has put forward isn't.
 
I don't watch Chelsea much but I agree that their style of play just doesn't suit Torres. They're used to Drogba up top, and he's a way different type of player. And I'm not even sure if Torres would work well in a 4-3-3. Chelsea's 4-3-3 needs a physical forward with a good presence in the air. Torres isn't that type of player...he's a speedster who likes it played to him on the ground. I'm not sure if that suits Chelsea, and I think Chelsea was just a bad fit for him. He should've stayed at Liverpool, and I don't see Chelsea challenging for major titles in the next couple of years. I think they need to rebuild a bit before they catch up to ManU or even Arsenal and challenge the PL title, much less the Champions League. I said from the beginning that this transfer was a bad idea and I think it will go down as a flop. I know it's premature to say this but I just don't see him being the prolific striker at Chelsea that he was at other places.
 
At Liverpool he had 2 good seasons, his partnership with Gerrard was excellent but from last season he looked like a Championship quality player. We can all talk about the lack of creativity from Chelsea midfield, but he was as **** when played for Spain. He just can't hit a target, he has lost yard of pace (Which was his main strengths), his confidence is shot dead. I think he needs a break, a very good break from game and with preseason under his belt he might be back to his old self. (Still i dont think he can be as good as his first season with Liverpool).
 
Could it possibly be, this is radical so everyone sit down., He simply isnt as good as people think and has kinda been found out be defenders, Look at it this way he had that spell where he was un stoppable about 3 years ago now, maybe defenders have figured how to play him....
 
For me, I think his pace has gone. He said 2 or so years ago that he doesn't want to spend his whole career in England, because it's so rough and he keeps getting kicked. He still looks unhappy at the club he wanted to join.
 
For me, I think his pace has gone. He said 2 or so years ago that he doesn't want to spend his whole career in England, because it's so rough and he keeps getting kicked. He still looks unhappy at the club he wanted to join.

He didnt Join United.

Oops
 
At Liverpool he had 2 good seasons, his partnership with Gerrard was excellent but from last season he looked like a Championship quality player. We can all talk about the lack of creativity from Chelsea midfield, but he was as **** when played for Spain. He just can't hit a target, he has lost yard of pace (Which was his main strengths), his confidence is shot dead. I think he needs a break, a very good break from game and with preseason under his belt he might be back to his old self. (Still i dont think he can be as good as his first season with Liverpool).

he's carrying all the hallmarks of a player lost an fatigued, not helped by chelsea style of play. he was never the most unpredictable player, but when he was on form knowing how to stop him and actually doing it were two different things. The summer holds a turning point for him and chelsea
 
That's the other thing about Torres, I think this might be an Owenesque turn of events. His biggest asset, by far, is his pace, and he may have lost that. If he has, than he just isn't the same player any more and won't be as good.

Honestly I think he should have gone to La Liga. It'd fit his style of play better, it's less physical, and he would be faster by comparison in a slower-paced league.
 
I reckon he's had one injury too many. He's now scared that he'll get another injury if he physically extends himself, & as his game is built on making direct forward runs at pace......oh dear. He hasn't got the all round attributes of a predator like a Villa or an injury-free Owen, which don't rely on raw pace.

His confidence has gone as he knows he's not the player he was 2 years ago. Thank God the Chelski deal went through when it did.
 
he's carrying all the hallmarks of a player lost an fatigued, not helped by chelsea style of play. he was never the most unpredictable player, but when he was on form knowing how to stop him and actually doing it were two different things. The summer holds a turning point for him and chelsea

Fatigued, maybe. Still he had so much time off when he was injured. Yes even i think this summer is key for him and Chelsea. It would be better for club and player if he can get extended break away from game. Worked very well for Rooney.
 
It isn't paper talk at all. Wilson has specifically pointed out his reasons for why he personally thinks that Torres is a luxury signing by Abramovich, not citing from any major news source nor speculating about how Abramovich works. All he has said are facts: Torres might be a replacement for Drogba. If so, why play him with such regularity now? If not, why buy him at all for a squad that will not fit him. Wilson has said that could be in part a vanity signing for Abramovich, which he definitely could be. What you're arguing against is paper talk. What Wilson has put forward isn't.

The reason he is playing Torres so reguarly now is because Drogba hasent exacly been on top form this season either has he the same goes Anelka. Why not play him??

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Could it possibly be, this is radical so everyone sit down., He simply isnt as good as people think and has kinda been found out be defenders, Look at it this way he had that spell where he was un stoppable about 3 years ago now, maybe defenders have figured how to play him....

No one said this about Rooney when he went through the year drout. Torres will be back simple as that, when he is given the ball to his feet he uses it very well. Just because he isent scoring dosent mean he is not as good as everyone thinks or has been found out.

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For me, I think his pace has gone. He said 2 or so years ago that he doesn't want to spend his whole career in England, because it's so rough and he keeps getting kicked. He still looks unhappy at the club he wanted to join.

How does he look unhappy?? Seriously you really need to stop all this and im not talking just to you. From what i have seen he is enjoying himself but looks frustrated and annoyed on the pitch which is what we want him to do because atleast he is trying and wants to succeed. Chelsea genuinly are a strong physical side and maybe he feels more protected playing in a side like Chelsea than Liverpool.
 
The reason he is playing Torres so reguarly now is because Drogba hasent exacly been on top form this season either has he the same goes Anelka. Why not play him??

Because even though Drogba may not have been on top form, Torres has been on astoundingly shocking form so far this season. Also, Drogba offers far more to a team than Torres does, hence Jonathan Wilson's questioning.
 
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