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Got a major issue with young player valuations.


Let me give you a few examples. I was managing one team in the Championship who had 2 new promising players join the youth ranks, coach report shows players potentials of 4.5 stars. I got offered a job at a club in the Premiership so took it. My first task was to try and sign these two young players for the future.


One was valued at £120k and the other £90k - they are on £450 and £420 a week, haven't played a single game for the first team or Under 21's and only a handful of games for the U18s. I offered £2m each for each player, over the odds I thought for a unplayed, untested 16 year old, but because in a strange way, I have a soft spot for the club I used to manage, I thought I'd give them a little extra cash. Anyway, both bids were rejected. So I went back and did 'suggest terms' this time on bids of £4m each - the club came back and tried to re-negotiate the fee, one requested £70m!!!! and the other £40m!!!


Now, I'd understand if they asked up to £10m - but £70m for a kid who hasn't even played a U21 game, let alone get near the first team is ridiculous.


Armed with this, I thought I'd test it a bit further and downloaded FM Scout. Searched for Under 18s with 170-200 Potential Ability to identify some young players from other teams. Found a couple in England and a couple abroard:


Player 1 - Age 17 - Value £90k - Neogtiated transfer fee £17m
Player 2 - Age 17 - Value £300k - Negotiated transfer fee £75m! LOL
Player 3 - Age 15 - Value £65k - Negotiated transfer fee £15m
Player 4 - Age 16 - Value £100k - Negotiated transfer fee £7m


The club I am isn't of a major stature or rich. This is so unrealistic, it's ruining my attempts to sign young talent rather than pay over the odds for established players.


Not played since FM 13 and it wasn't like this then, so not sure what version this has started with.


A further test, I started a new game and used FM Scout to test again and tried again with a League 2 player who was 16, valued at £40k but again, the club demanded £14m.


Anyone else noticed this? As I said, the odd wonderkid, you'd expect to pay lots for but £20m-70m for unplayed 16 year olds is ridiculous!
 
You're not getting it. Getting quoted these large sums of money is just another way of telling you to sod off, they don't want to sell. What right do you have to just come in, offer what you deem his worth is (not his own club!) and expect them to accept?

If the player is happy and the club do not need to or want to sell, they won't.
 
I'd understand one or two, but I'm a Premier League club in the Champions League and many of these tests are for players in leagues such as League Two or Italian Serie C.

What club in the bottom tier is going to turn down £5m for a unplayed 16 year old and demand £70m? That isn't realistic.
 
charliecharlie24 said:
I'd understand one or two, but I'm a Premier League club in the Champions League and many of these tests are for players in leagues such as League Two or Italian Serie C.

What club in the bottom tier is going to turn down £5m for a unplayed 16 year old and demand £70m? That isn't realistic.
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If the player is happy and the club do not need to or want to sell, they won't.


​However, if that were to change....
 
One of the players immediately complained when a bid was turned down.

It never used to be like this in previous versions. As I said, in what world are Shrewsbury going to turn down £5m for a £100k rated player when they have financial problems and my team are in the Champions League. It's just one example of many similar.
 
If you're Shrewsbury, with a hot youngster who could be very good, would you sell?
 
charliecharlie24 said:
One of the players immediately complained when a bid was turned down.

It never used to be like this in previous versions. As I said, in what world are Shrewsbury going to turn down £5m for a £100k rated player when they have financial problems and my team are in the Champions League. It's just one example of many similar.
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They will turn down 5m if they think they can more for the player just like a human player would, I am pretty sure I read that SI had tweaked AI valuations in this years game to stop the human player having the pick of the regens. It can be frustrating but you justy have to work a bit smartwer to get the players you want now
 
WJ said:
If the player is happy and the club do not need to or want to sell, they won't.


​However, if that were to change....
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Doesn't seem to be that much of a difference. 2nd season, United, in CL, looked at Morata from Juve. £5m valuation, unhappy, asked to leave twice and was already fined by Juve for missing training. Fair enough, made an initial bid of £8m.

Negotiated to £75m.
 
I think the AI valuation doing their job perfectly. It's clearly depend on the player situation indeed. In my 1st year, I was try to approach Theo Walcott, made a bid for 15mil and rejected. On 3rd session, I signed him for 5,5mil. Clearly because Arsenal under performance.
 
Busby1975 said:
I think the AI valuation doing their job perfectly. It's clearly depend on the player situation indeed. In my 1st year, I was try to approach Theo Walcott, made a bid for 15mil and rejected. On 3rd session, I signed him for 5,5mil. Clearly because Arsenal under performance.
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I'm talking about young players, under 18's whose value are £100k. No problem with experienced players at all
 
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Value is relative, and a highly-promising youth will have little value simply because they haven't played much - if any - first team football. That doesn't mean their club views them as worth very little. They are typically viewed as the future of the club. Giving them away for just a small amount makes no sense for the selling club. Its also unrealistic. when you could do that on past versions, you could assemble a squad of certain-superstar 16-17-18 year olds for 10 or 15 million.

The 75m response is basically a way of saying "sod off", as mentioned. The 17m is a starting point. You can negotiate that down, especially if you do some work to unsettle the player. Use the media. Especially if you give a lot of clauses, you might get that as low as 6-8m, though 10-12m is more likely.

Think of it this way - if you are the smaller club and a big club comes in for your future star midfielder, are you gonna happily take 2m for that player? Really? Knowing that if hang onto them for 3 or 4 years, they would be worth 20m plus, and will also likely help you achieve things in the meantime?
 
offer to buy player for 1mil, response is 80 mil, that means, you can get that player for about 40 mil.

Offer to buy player for 1mil, response is 17 mil, that means you can get him for 9 mil, which is halfway between the two numbers.

its simple math...
 
I wanted to buy Isco, which is valued at 15m, and is unhappy because he's not playing for Real Madrid, and then they request 116m for him........
 
I really don't think there is a difference if a player is unhappy or not......no matter how much I unsettle the player, the club still don't want to lower those **** high asking prices......

And the more further you get in FM15, the more inflated the prices are..I'm used to spending £20M +++ just to get decent backup players.
 
I7IDanny said:
Doesn't seem to be that much of a difference. 2nd season, United, in CL, looked at Morata from Juve. £5m valuation, unhappy, asked to leave twice and was already fined by Juve for missing training. Fair enough, made an initial bid of £8m.

Negotiated to £75m.
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Did you follow up after the initial bid?
 
daisuke said:
I really don't think there is a difference if a player is unhappy or not......no matter how much I unsettle the player, the club still don't want to lower those **** high asking prices......

And the more further you get in FM15, the more inflated the prices are..I'm used to spending £20M +++ just to get decent backup players.
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Prices are also inflating in real life... 10 years ago do you think a player of Gareth Bale's quality would have cost £85m+??
 
This is an interesting thread, if a club doesn't want to sell they would surely just say no. I agree that a lower league team would most likely not even have to think about accepting 5million for an unproven 16 yr old. He could break his leg tomorrow and no matter how good he got could he ever be expected to be purchased for more than 5 million being that he would still be unproven at a higher level? I would however suggest loaning back for the rest of the season, I managed to get Depay for £7 million because I loaned him back for the first season. The teams seem to appreciate you being kind to them
 
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