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so im playing as tottenham
lloris GK
walker (FB attack) alderweireld (bpd defend) vertongen (BPD defend) rose (FB attack)
dembele (dlp defend) bentaleb - wtf FM - (AP support)
mane (winger) eriksen (AP attack) son/chadli (winger support)
Kane (TM attack)

instructions (normally) look for over lap play, out of defence, more creative freedom, fluid, play wider

my form LLLWLLWLL fired, ive destroyed my mouse, i played fm 13 and really enjoyed it, is the literally the worst possible way you could play as spurs? what a joke
 
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also can i say that i got dominated vs bottom of the table west brom despite taking my staffs advice and changing tactics slightly. REATINING POSSESION!!! but getting about 40% of the possesion, i didnt relaise how bad spurs are at keeping the ball, very realistic. is there soemthing im missing here, only won the prems in like 4 years out of 10 on fm 13
 
also 2 missed penalties for harry kane in a row, ive also had a few games where ive had the better of the play more shots more clear cut chances better passing and still lost, i also got fired from my plymouth job with even worse results and possibly better play
 
also can i say that i got dominated vs bottom of the table west brom despite taking my staffs advice and changing tactics slightly. REATINING POSSESION!!! but getting about 40% of the possesion, i didnt relaise how bad spurs are at keeping the ball, very realistic. is there soemthing im missing here, only won the prems in like 4 years out of 10 on fm 13
You got dominated because of poor tactics. That's all. You have no goal threat apart from Kane. How is he going to do anything when he's always fighting 3, 4 or 5 players to even get to the ball?

You have 3 playmakers. Who are they providing?

Also, Retain Possession isn't a magic button. It doesn't give you an automatic +10-15% possession just because you're clever enough to press it. You need to know what it does and why you're selecting it. If anything, you reduced passing options, so you increased punts to the Target Man.

There's a stickied thread. There are guides in there to read and also, if you're struggling, follow the advice in there and provide information.
 
Having a Target Man and nothing up to support him seems like an awful idea...I wouldn't know much about tactics (generally I find a formation that works and shoehorn any team into it) but 3 playmakers seems like a terrible idea too...In my mind that means you've 3 players going to pick up the ball especially 2 Advanced Playmakers...They're bound to be getting in eachother's way?
 
but ive tried to play dembele as a BBM and having a DLP next to him it still dosent work, AP and DLP worked better (especially for bentaleb again good one FM). Also i would of thought playing wider having two good wingers and a target man with eriksen behind would work IRL. btw its not the comnceding goals thats killing me im just not scoring. do i need to chage kane to a advanced striker or something. im sorry i think the tactics would work IRL. i mean mane son/chadli and eriksen (who is on attack) should surely help out. we are playing wide so whats so bad about having a tm on attack
 
i have to agree though two APs was a bad idea, probably one you get at about 4am. ive reinstalled the game and buried the mouse btw (RIP little buddy)
 
but ive tried to play dembele as a BBM and having a DLP next to him it still dosent work, AP and DLP worked better (especially for bentaleb again good one FM). Also i would of thought playing wider having two good wingers and a target man with eriksen behind would work IRL. btw its not the comnceding goals thats killing me im just not scoring. do i need to chage kane to a advanced striker or something. im sorry i think the tactics would work IRL. i mean mane son/chadli and eriksen (who is on attack) should surely help out. we are playing wide so whats so bad about having a tm on attack
Having the AP at CM is a bad idea. So is having a BBM there, considering you have both fullbacks also attacking. You need 2 holding midfielders. You have 1. There are 4 players ahead of them attacking already with 2 attacking fullbacks, why do you need more? All you're doing is compressing play while also making yourself open to counters and that's a bad idea.

The tactics would never in a million years work IRL. Kane isn't Superman. He has to compete against 4 or 5 defenders for balls. Who's helping him? Who are the other goal threats? Who is Eriksen supplying?
 
so what would you recommend the same formation but say dembele as a dlp and maybe dier as a BWM as a (DM)???? have eriksen set on support and kane as a complete forward instead of target man and set the wingers to attack or something.

btw kane is superman dont forget that :P
 
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so what would you recommend the same formation but say dembele as a dlp and maybe dier as a BWM as a (DM)???? have eriksen set on support and kane as a complete forward instead of target man and set the wingers to attack or something.

btw kane is superman dont forget that :P
A BWM isn't a holding role. He closes down and leaves his position far too much to be one.
 
ahh ok, well thanks for all the advice. the strategy guides are extremely helpful as well. i guess ill try again, see if i can make it to december this time lol
 
so what would you recommend the same formation but say dembele as a dlp and maybe dier as a BWM as a (DM)???? have eriksen set on support and kane as a complete forward instead of target man and set the wingers to attack or something.

btw kane is superman dont forget that :P

Were Kane Superman, wouldn't Tottenham have won the league? ( Sorry just had to get that one out)

To echo WJ, if you commit your fullbacks forward, you need to have players to stay back and cover. Your cover, based on the 4-2-3-1 can only come from your two CMs. Holding players in the CM are generally roles with defend duties except the BWM. Both full backs up, both CMs hold; One fullback up, CM on his side hold is a simplified way of viewing. It's not a hard rule, but it hints at the idea of balancing the roles and positions of players in the team.

For your front four, the 3-1 of the formation, you only have one goal threat in Kane and players who will generally stay outside the box. Wingers stay wide, and the AMC depending on your mentality is either passing the ball around or forcing the issue to set up your only goal threat to score. Plus your goal threat is told to not be mobile and wait for the ball to get to him. So you have three attackers staying outside and trying to force the ball to Kane. Two fullbacks running into the space your wingers use and trying to force the ball to Kane, two CMs that are not balancing out the rest of your overly ambitious force the ball to Kane plan and two centrebacks who are given the freedom to force ball to Kane. So unless Kane can win a knockdown and run unto said knowckdown and beat a player or two along the way and still manage to be in a position where he has a great angle to shoot and still beat the keeper with his shot, won't be scoring. Someone else in that 3-1 has to be a goal threat as well.
 
ahh ok, well thanks for all the advice. the strategy guides are extremely helpful as well. i guess ill try again, see if i can make it to december this time lol
I guess my questions aren't going to be answered then. I just hope they did make you think about the tactic and what you're doing.
 
yeah i was just assuming the tactic i was using in fm 13 and when i play fifa (lol) would work. I guess i was also confusing the roles, i was thinking a TM was more like a poacher a BBM was more like a supportive DLP. My thinking was that i could just use posession with play makers and technical defenders to play out of defence, play short and be expressive. i basically just jumped in and completely funked it up.
 
ok ive now gone with

FB attack BPD defend BPD defend Fb attack

DLP (defend) DLP (support)



Inside forward (attack) AP (support) winger (attack)

DLF (attack)

look for overlap, play wider, flexible shape

nearly through the pre season and it seems to be far better, thanks all
 
That may be fine (although I don't understand the need for Look for Overlap or the BPD's) as long as the opposition is giving you space to attack into.
 
it seems that if you just change one dlp to anything else youre screwed when you play 4-2-3-1. had a strong start (DDWW) then lost to west bromalona and bayern young boys i think because i shaped up with a back 6 of

FB attack BPD defend BPD defend FB automatic

DLP defend RPM support

im not looking for an overlap anymore, played a semi rotated squad for young boys, but 2-0 and 3-0 really?

surely thats not THAT bad of a tactical shape, also my team hardly created anything. front 4....

winger/IF (support) AP(attack) winger (support)

AF (attack)
 
You see now why I ask the questions?

What Mentality? Throughout the thread you don't mention this, but this is extremely important. Why don't you?

Again, who are the playmakers providing for? Again, it just seems like you're looking to the ST to find space on his own and score.

If not, who's helping him to get into some sort of space to score?

You have 2 wingers and 2 cross-happy fullbacks, making it clear that you want to cross. Who are they going to target? Who's in the box when they do cross?
 
oh sorry, ive been on standard mentality on all games other than one away at man united, where i was on the counter.
my plan wasnt to cross neccesarily but to try and build up use the width and fashion chances through posession. hence i thought a roaming playmaker might work with more defensive covering, thats also why i thought BPDs where a good idea. ive been changing roles basically every game so what im giving you is just an overview of the save as is at the mo
 
oh sorry, ive been on standard mentality on all games other than one away at man united, where i was on the counter.
my plan wasnt to cross neccesarily but to try and build up use the width and fashion chances through posession. hence i thought a roaming playmaker might work with more defensive covering, thats also why i thought BPDs where a good idea. ive been changing roles basically every game so what im giving you is just an overview of the save as is at the mo

The aim is to play possession and work the ball for players to finish. Thinking with possession in mind, the roles you have:


it seems that if you just change one dlp to anything else youre screwed when you play 4-2-3-1. had a strong start (DDWW) then lost to west bromalona and bayern young boys i think because i shaped up with a back 6 of

FB attack BPD defend BPD defend FB automatic

DLP defend RPM support

im not looking for an overlap anymore, played a semi rotated squad for young boys, but 2-0 and 3-0 really?

surely thats not THAT bad of a tactical shape, also my team hardly created anything. front 4....

winger/IF (support) AP(attack) winger (support)

AF (attack)

aren't really cut out for possession minus the abundance of playmakers; which may be an issue as he RPM and AP seem (I've never actually tried playing with both together, so I could be wrong) to want to play in the same space - hence limiting the area you can work the ball around.

Take the time to read the description of each role and ask how does it help with your objective of possession. Most of your roles still do what they had done before of not being a goal threat and lumping the ball to Kane who, while now is more mobile, will still have to collect the pass, beat a player or two, line up a shot, and score.

Everyone is given the freedom to play killer passes or the freedom to cross, except your striker. The striker is given the freedom to push up and look for space, but he is still the only one looking to be a threat in the box. So you are both blunt in possession and blunt in attack.

You're not screwed because you changed the DLP to something else, you're screwed because you ask defenders to move up to either attack or support the attack and tell a player who would have been covering for that player to do the same.

You've changed some roles around, but you're still pretty much playing the same way as before.

Who is going to keep the ball for you and recycle it with simple passes as the team preps for another attack? Who is going to ensure that as you push players up that he balances the team by staying back? Who is going to score for you? Who is going to provide? How are they going to provide? Who are they providing to?

Generally, the answers to each question involves more than one player, but for most you have one player trying to provide that answer.
 
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