what the ****

[Khalaf]

This has been a great read, good advice there love it thank you all.

 

[oscarpink]

ok so update time, I spent most of my pre season making a good "control" formation. we won the first game vs leicster with a good performance (only 1-0 but it all seemed pretty convincing). i then went for the same tactic against crystal palace. went 1-0 up 2-1 down and eventually after a bit of 2nd half in game tweaking fought back to 4-3.

then southhampton came next. and i thought id use my standard mentality formation. i was 1-0 up at half time seemingly playing quite well and then they made second half changes and they just destroyed us in the second half, 3-1 FT.

then i tried to take the game to man united away (shoulve of gone on the counter) and got fairly demolished 3-0.

then home to west ******** brom. this time ive gone for control. the first 25 minutes i seem to be doing excactly that. but no i loose a header high up the field and then loose another header in central midfield, and then seemingly james mclane has hit a through ball on the turn which has perfectly split my defense and redmond has perfectly timed a run between my CBS, thats ok though weve still got most of the game to go theyve just got lucky on the break. so then for a while i have the better of the play again, getting some meaningful oppurtunities but my players just refuse to take them, no need to panic and change any settings though, it all seems under control. and then a free kick gets conceded quite deep on the wing. the ball comes in and........ hugo lloris comes for the ball and completely misses and ollson is at the back post for a tap in, 2-0 after 50 minutes. will my team do anyth.... nope 2-0 FT.

then at home vs standard liege go for control, win 3-1. joy of joys finally a good win again.

now a difficult game away vs liverpool. i think my standard setup should do. i think ill go structured so i have a solid shape on defense and players ready to attack when we have the ball. And to paraphrase the game went some thing like this chance for us chance for them chance for us chance for them chance for us, benteke scores (repeat x3). FT 3-0

ok so now a harsh draw in the capital one cup, chelsea at home. ill think ill rotate my squad considering its just a capital 1 cup 3rd round game and theres a bit of fixture congestion, sure its against rivals but theyll be doing the same right? nope there gunna be playing there full strength starting line up hazard, willian, costa etc. alright lets see if the "standard" formation will work this time. i got the first breakthrough, njie managed to score about a quater of an hour in, then pedro scores at about 65 mins. so we go to extra time. i have a (comparitively) fresh squad and weve played just as well as them, im gunna turn the tempo up. wow it seems to be working, just need someone to bury a chance, we have all the momentum, chelsea are looking leggy, they cant seem to create much at all, were surely gunna score, surely..... surely? oh i see that pedro has been play in down the wing its ok though hes isloated and no one is there to.... watch.... him score?
that was denfinately worth 120 minutes of football wasnt it. im sure my squad are gunna be feeling great in 4 days to play newcastle

 

[oscarpink]

screw the formation and tactics for a second match facts vs bottom of the table newcastle at home

shots 19-10
on target7-5
clear cut chances 5- 1

score, 1-1 obviously guess ill be getting fired again, what a broken game

 

[WJ]

screw the formation and tactics for a second match facts vs bottom of the table newcastle at home

shots 19-10
on target7-5
clear cut chances 5- 1

score, 1-1 obviously guess ill be getting fired again, what a broken game

Yes, that clearly shows the game is broken. Let's use 3 lines of stats. What does the rest matter and **** context, right?

You're going to either accept that you have a lot to learn or just play something else/find a different way of playing FM.

 

[oscarpink]

lloris gk

dier (fb attack) vertonghen (cd cover) alderweireld (cd defend) rose (fb attack)

bentaleb (dlp defend) dembele (dlp defend)

lamela (if attack) erikson (ap supply) son (if attack)

kane (cf attack)

mentality control, shape flexible, instructions - retain posession, higher tempo

obviously not a good enough team tactic i should proabably just commit suicide

 

[WJ]

The team is fine, apart from them being only 10 players against 11.

The problem isn't the team though.

 

[oscarpink]

so what excactly is wrong with that tactic

 

[WJ]

so what excactly is wrong with that tactic

Instead of a childish rant, come up with something constructive, as has been asked for multiple times. Honestly, there is no point investing time into helping you if you're just going to throw your toys out of the pram every day. It's a waste of time that could be better spent helping others who actually want help, will listen and will provide information.

Why that tactic? Why those specific roles for those players? Why those duties? Why the 2 TIs? How did you expect it all to work? Did it work like you thought you instructed them to play?

Who's scoring here? If he doesn't, who else? Who's going to provide them? How? Any other ways to supply balls to finish?

Presumably you watched the matches and there were a few. What did you see what was wrong? Did you see anything? Did you make changes? Do you change anything when ahead/behind?

 

[oscarpink]

well i watched the game on comprehensive, like i have all of them. and my team just played better thats the only way of putting it, well until the final third. i watched the game on comprehensive as i have been all of them. its like my players just straight up refuse to score some of these clear cut oppurtunities. They are sooooo bad at taking them. so many games i seem to have as many or more shots on target/clear cut chances and i just loose. And just to add some context DONT WASTE POSESSION. how is my team doing so consitently bad with more/as many shots on goal from closer on average. i mean 3 open play penalties missed, none scored so many oppurtunites missed and also terrible decision making. i saw someone making a run a couple games ago ( i cant remember who, proabably kane) and the holding midfieler who could of made a very easy 20m pass that would of split the defense cleared it, under no pressure, booted it up the field for a goal kick in the middle of the park. but yet a player as average as james mclean can hit a perfect 40 yard through ball on the turn to perfectly set up a goal. that why im annoyed at this game

 

[WJ]

So you're not going to answer the questions then?

 

[oscarpink]

well ive been changing things most games, normally just specific instructions based on what im seeing . i dont have changes i make when im ahead/behind for instance.I didnt in the newcastle match because the build up was all looking fine. we where getting in and around the area with the ball and created soo much more than them, i didnt feel the want to change it. but look how bad the finishing is this is just one example. i hope that gives you some context to those stats. nearly all where form in and around the area (say within 25m) but just 7 on target form 19 and just 1 goal from all that play including 5 clear cut chances.

but genreally yes thats the best i can see to make them play. i choose retain possession to stop my players from just making over zealous passes and wasteful longshots so i could use the movement of my front four (which i belive shapes up much better now). and then a higher tempo to try and force a hole in there defense. and creating space for one of the IFs or stiker

 

[WJ]

but look how bad the finishing is this is just one example. i hope that gives you some context to those stats. nearly all where form in and around the area (say within 25m) but just 7 on target form 19 and just 1 goal from all that play including 5 clear cut chances.

You did read what I posted, right? There's NO context to that. It doesn't prove anything.

Do you read what people post? We post question and we don't get answers. We post advice and general ideas and get no response.

All the stats you posted show is that you were ****. That the shots were of poor quality. There is nothing else to it. We all know that some CCCs aren't CCCs. The game doesn't calculate them properly. It doesn't show where the shots were taken from, under how much pressure the players were, how difficult it was to hit or how rushed it was.

It shows nothing. ZERO context. ADD some context.

I still (after asking twice) have no idea why you chose the tactical setup how did.

Let me ask a basic, basic question. Do you think that tactic and roles chosen suits the players and brings the best out of each of them?

 

[oscarpink]

im sorry but I take offence to that you take no advice bullshit. i clearly have i.e. why do you think i changed my cbs from bpd to cd and my cms to dlp defend and changed the front 4 to not leave my st so isolated and instruscted my fbs to attack, i thought at least you could see that ive progressed tactically, but no apparently im just blindly ignoring you

and ive given you information as well, ive tried to give you alot

my back 6 is shaping up like you guys where suggesting in those posts i didnt read but with vertongen as a cover (cb) to try and help stop people playing counter attacking defense splitting passes, considering im on control.
i have eriksen in the hole making short passes to create chances for the front and to help retain possession. i have the two IFs to create multiple goal scoring threats (rather than just having supportive wingers and an isloated striker) and a complete foward (im not sure why really, just seemed good for attacking balance) i think all the roles suit the players and the formation well, yeah

 

[oscarpink]

And also i did provide you with statisitcs and written context. which you basically agreed with
"All the stats you posted show is that you were ****. That the shots were of poor quality"

 

[oscarpink]

View attachment 145853is this better?

 

[oscarpink]

oh and sorry for not answering all youre questions is pretty hard to know which ones are to be answered, which are food for thought rhetorics and which are condescending basic, basic questions (that arent actually that basic to someone who needs TACTICAL help)

but ive made an effort of trying to answer most of them that needed an answer. And then i get told off by you for not answering it all INSTANTLY, like then i was trying to tell you why i was using the PI's like you asked and then immediately your like what about the roles and duties, AS IM TYPING/THINKING.
it seems like you carry far too much pride in being good at a fake managment game

 

[Tyton]

Too many playmakers. Use one, two tops.

Don't use Dembele as DLP, he can't pass for ****.

Wingers are conflicting with FB/A because they're both try to run down the line and get in each other space. Either use Inside forward on the wing or FB/W.

If your goal is to mantain posession first of all, "more creative freedom" doesnt' work. That works if you're Barcelona and have players that can actually pull it off. "Be more discipilned" should help a lot. Also, "dribble less", so they look for a pass rather than run around.

 

[oscarpink]

ahh ok, cheers tyton. ill try those tips out.

 

[WJ]

im sorry but I take offence to that you take no advice bullshit. i clearly have i.e. why do you think i changed my cbs from bpd to cd and my cms to dlp defend and changed the front 4 to not leave my st so isolated and instruscted my fbs to attack, i thought at least you could see that ive progressed tactically, but no apparently im just blindly ignoring you

and ive given you information as well, ive tried to give you alot

my back 6 is shaping up like you guys where suggesting in those posts i didnt read but with vertongen as a cover (cb) to try and help stop people playing counter attacking defense splitting passes, considering im on control.
i have eriksen in the hole making short passes to create chances for the front and to help retain possession. i have the two IFs to create multiple goal scoring threats (rather than just having supportive wingers and an isloated striker) and a complete foward (im not sure why really, just seemed good for attacking balance) i think all the roles suit the players and the formation well, yeah

That last paragraph was actually not too bad. We're asking questions that (preferably) should be answered. It's important to see why you choose/change something so that we can understand the thinking behind it and then correct that, if needed. If you're just making changes without saying anything, there's no indication that you actually learned anything.

You can take offence all you want, but you're not answering the questions asked. I said there's no context to your 3 lines. There isn't.

I wrote this:

It doesn't show where the shots were taken from, under how much pressure the players were, how difficult it was to hit or how rushed it was.

Your screenshot answers the first, so it is a start. What about the other 3? The 3 you left out are crucial.

oh and sorry for not answering all youre questions is pretty hard to know which ones are to be answered, which are food for thought rhetorics and which are condescending basic, basic questions (that arent actually that basic to someone who needs TACTICAL help)

but ive made an effort of trying to answer most of them that needed an answer. And then i get told off by you for not answering it all INSTANTLY, like then i was trying to tell you why i was using the PI's like you asked and then immediately your like what about the roles and duties, AS IM TYPING/THINKING.
it seems like you carry far too much pride in being good at a fake managment game

The basic question was a yes/no answer. If you wanted, you could have also added why you said yes/no.

All the questions are supposed to make you think or at least go watch a match back (or the next match) to look for the answers. Again, it's to see that you're thinking about what you're implementing.

I started a quick test save last night so I have some genuine feedback for you concerning the tactic you put out and also what I'd do if I were managing the team. I didn't quite finish, but beat Man Utd 1-0 while leading in all of the stats and also smashed West Ham 5-1. Wanted to see how I do against a team sitting back, but something else came up.

 

[CaptiveBridge]

When I'm not drunk at a bar ille give a proper response, but I ask most questions expecting them to be answered. We're not trying to be condescending in any way. It's just that without seeing your screen as you play, the best we can do is to ask for more info. We both could give you a 4-2-3-1 that works for a season or two, but plugging a tactic is not the same as understanding the match engine and the philosophies behind what you see. The latter is where we would want you to be.



Your thinking is seemingly getting to cope with the match engine, but without answers we can't really say for sure.



For instance, I'd love to know why you changed your mentality in one of the matches? I'd also ask whether in choosing IF(a) roles for both wide players if you started noticing something off with your AMC.



Are you still focusing on possession? Your TIs don't really seem in tune with that.