An Indian church? I don't think Western religions have much place for karma. Except New Age, and they don't have churches. (Sorry, I study religion and just couldn't let it go)
What to do if you just can't win
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An Indian church? I don't think Western religions have much place for karma. Except New Age, and they don't have churches. (Sorry, I study religion and just couldn't let it go)
Best. Post. Ever.
Doesn't happen in real life as much as it does in the game. How many times do Barcelona play 90 minutes without getting 3 shots in? Happened a lot to me.
As said. confirmation bias.
The game literally does not work that way. What you are talking about would be called rubber band AI, common in a lot of game as a short cut to actually creating any quality AI. (Call of duty uses such a tactic) FM doesn't use rubber band AI. Not trying to be harsh, but its really that simple. What are you are actually describing is a mixture of bad luck, footballing play (yes goals get chalked off, its in FM that officials make mistakes, has been for about 5 years,) and bugs in various degrees.
The game cant use rubber band AI because it cannot tell the difference between user and AI.
Not best post ever. With all due respect to him, its incorrect.
One of our mods is literally tearing teams apart as Barcelona (Redrup). You both have the same game, if he can score at will and you are struggling as you say, then you are more than likely doing something wrong.
Best example ever: Need For Speed Underground 1 and 2. Going top speed in a straight line with the fastest car in the game, yet the other car manages to shrink your lead down from 10s to 1s in no time at all
Anyway, I agree: if you're getting your behind handed to you by the game, you're just doing something wrong. It's what I tell myself whenever stuff like that happens to me. And then I make some adjustments and things improve (though not always as quickly as I would like).I don't get what I'm doing wrong. It's the best team in the world and all I did was create a tactic with the TC without tweaking sliders apart from long shots and they're struggling against teams they'd usually rip apart.
And I know the post isn't the best ever, it was just really funny when I read it. The best post ever would have to be one of Matox's.
create a thread using these guidelines http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/football-manager-2013-discussion/108429-help-threads.html so we can see what you are doing. There is actually a brilliant barca set up. but before i post the link, i'd rather try and see why you are going wrong so you can avoid it in future.
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Update - I finally got to grips with this game and it IS possible to win consistently!
Team: Southampton
Season 1 board target: avoid relegation
Season 1 final standing: 10th
Team:
------------ Boruc ------------
-- Clyne, Marriapa, Okore, Fox --
--------- Schneiderlin ---------
Yttergard Jensen - Davis ------
Ramirez ------------ J.Rodriguez
----------- L.Traore -----------
Signed Marriappa/Okore as CBs for good prices, Yttergard Jensen for around £1.5m, and Lacina Traore in the January window for £4m (now worth £6.5m). Sold Lallana/Puncheon/Lambert to generate funds.
Against any team that is technically or 'on paper' superior I play 4-1-2-2-1 (4-5-1 wingers), counter attack tactics. Edit the defensive line depending on the strength of the opponents' forward line - i.e. deep line versus attackers that are faster than my CBs, push up/offside trap versus teams with slower target men (squeeze their team). Use Gaston Ramirez and Jay Rodriguez pace to counter attack.
Against a team that I should be beating, or if I just fancy having a go, switch Schneiderlin to CM alongside Davis and move Yttergard Jensen to AMC as a playmaker, and switch tactic to attacking.
This has been very successful for me in my first season, and I was in fact 5th until March when injuries lead to a loss of form and losing 5/6 matches to drop to mid table.
However, as many people have noted the results can vary. I beat Man City at home playing counter attack, then beat Norwich away 4-1, then hosted Man United and got battered 6-1. I also got beat 6-1 at Etihad and 5-0 home to Arsenal. You just have to accept this and keep persevering.
To cure my run of bad form I spoke individually to players to tell them to buck their ideas up, and praised anyone who was playing well (Lacina Traore signed from Anji in January and hit 7 goals in 12 games).
This is my third attempt at FM13 (previously sacked by Zaragoza and gave up on PSG) and I'd say the key factors are:
- keep players happy, manage expectations in team talks and praise wherever possible
- be tactically consistent but adjust to suit your opponent
- sign/pick players based on statistical suitability to a particular role or position - more crucial than ever
Bugs are still prominent for me - goals are scored from ridiculous angles and goalkeepers are utterly horrendous, but this happens for both sides so it's frustrating but doesn't seem to advantage the AI teams more than human.
Team: Southampton
Season 1 board target: avoid relegation
Season 1 final standing: 10th
Team:
------------ Boruc ------------
-- Clyne, Marriapa, Okore, Fox --
--------- Schneiderlin ---------
Yttergard Jensen - Davis ------
Ramirez ------------ J.Rodriguez
----------- L.Traore -----------
Signed Marriappa/Okore as CBs for good prices, Yttergard Jensen for around £1.5m, and Lacina Traore in the January window for £4m (now worth £6.5m). Sold Lallana/Puncheon/Lambert to generate funds.
Against any team that is technically or 'on paper' superior I play 4-1-2-2-1 (4-5-1 wingers), counter attack tactics. Edit the defensive line depending on the strength of the opponents' forward line - i.e. deep line versus attackers that are faster than my CBs, push up/offside trap versus teams with slower target men (squeeze their team). Use Gaston Ramirez and Jay Rodriguez pace to counter attack.
Against a team that I should be beating, or if I just fancy having a go, switch Schneiderlin to CM alongside Davis and move Yttergard Jensen to AMC as a playmaker, and switch tactic to attacking.
This has been very successful for me in my first season, and I was in fact 5th until March when injuries lead to a loss of form and losing 5/6 matches to drop to mid table.
However, as many people have noted the results can vary. I beat Man City at home playing counter attack, then beat Norwich away 4-1, then hosted Man United and got battered 6-1. I also got beat 6-1 at Etihad and 5-0 home to Arsenal. You just have to accept this and keep persevering.
To cure my run of bad form I spoke individually to players to tell them to buck their ideas up, and praised anyone who was playing well (Lacina Traore signed from Anji in January and hit 7 goals in 12 games).
This is my third attempt at FM13 (previously sacked by Zaragoza and gave up on PSG) and I'd say the key factors are:
- keep players happy, manage expectations in team talks and praise wherever possible
- be tactically consistent but adjust to suit your opponent
- sign/pick players based on statistical suitability to a particular role or position - more crucial than ever
Bugs are still prominent for me - goals are scored from ridiculous angles and goalkeepers are utterly horrendous, but this happens for both sides so it's frustrating but doesn't seem to advantage the AI teams more than human.
Maybe that's how it's worded, my comments were based on my playing experience of the BETA. I bought a hastily assembled squad of mercenaries with QPR, slapped them in a 4-2-4 formation and won game after game without little/no input from my end.
Ok, so dude explain why without changing anything i won 30 in a row, and gone from 22 to 1 on BSP this afternoon, my goalkeeper started to defende three consecutive shoots in the penalty area? I notice sometimes that the game simply decide this day you lose, and nothing you do work, you hit the woodwork 23 times in a game...And sometimes, worse, you can't win because the game wants, if you are losing i recomend save and quit, and then go back, maybe the game changed of ideia, and you get more lucky.
I just told you, you bought a bunch of new players, you played badly for a while, and after enough time when they settled in, your side started to play better.
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Save and quit... I think that is called cheating and takes all the fun out of the game.
There's nothing wrong with saving and quitting now and then. Just as you restart a level in Battlefield if you make a mistake and are shot you learn from that mistake and try a different approach, if you make a mistake in the team talk and send your team out with the wrong mentality it can cost you the game before the whistle has even blown.
I try to analyse the opposition and adjust tactics slightly, sometimes I get it completely wrong and the game goes horribly, I watch the game and notice maybe the oppositions wingers are tearing me apart or my defensive line is way too high and I get hit on the break 3 times. There's no shame in quitting and trying the match again with a different tactic. I found it helped me immensely to learn how to counter certain tactics and players because you can watch the same match play out very differently with the right tweak to counter a specific threat.
It's much harder to learn this when the game is over and you have a completely different kind of opposition next so you have no chance to see how you could've countered that kind of football. With so many options and so many variables to each game, if you don't learn quickly how to adjust to certain styles and tactics, the damage could already be done and you're out of the job before you even know what is going on. Which is why I think many people struggle and think the game is rigged to make them lose simply because they have no opportunity to learn from their mistakes.
It's not about the points, if I lose 5-0 to Chelsea at home and reload then lose 2-0 with a different tactic but a better performance I still learned something from the game but I haven't gained any real advantage. I think reloading with moderation is a perfectly valid way of seeing the effects of each tactical tweak and how to motivate players for certain situations until you have enough experience to try it without reloading come what may.
I try to analyse the opposition and adjust tactics slightly, sometimes I get it completely wrong and the game goes horribly, I watch the game and notice maybe the oppositions wingers are tearing me apart or my defensive line is way too high and I get hit on the break 3 times. There's no shame in quitting and trying the match again with a different tactic. I found it helped me immensely to learn how to counter certain tactics and players because you can watch the same match play out very differently with the right tweak to counter a specific threat.
It's much harder to learn this when the game is over and you have a completely different kind of opposition next so you have no chance to see how you could've countered that kind of football. With so many options and so many variables to each game, if you don't learn quickly how to adjust to certain styles and tactics, the damage could already be done and you're out of the job before you even know what is going on. Which is why I think many people struggle and think the game is rigged to make them lose simply because they have no opportunity to learn from their mistakes.
It's not about the points, if I lose 5-0 to Chelsea at home and reload then lose 2-0 with a different tactic but a better performance I still learned something from the game but I haven't gained any real advantage. I think reloading with moderation is a perfectly valid way of seeing the effects of each tactical tweak and how to motivate players for certain situations until you have enough experience to try it without reloading come what may.
I'm having some real trouble getting results with whoever I manage. I've used a bunch of different teams and tactics, including ones I've downloaded from here, but generally get hammered most of the time.
I'm managing Crystal Palace at the moment (quiet, you!), and despite dominating possession in most games and having double figure shots every game, I'm losing by 3 or 4 goals all the time. So frustrating, and at this point enough to make me stop playing.
I'm managing Crystal Palace at the moment (quiet, you!), and despite dominating possession in most games and having double figure shots every game, I'm losing by 3 or 4 goals all the time. So frustrating, and at this point enough to make me stop playing.
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If you're losing by 3 or 4 every game then it's obviously a defensive problem! You need to look at how goals are scored against you and do something to counter it.
As a lot of people have noticed a lot of goals come from crosses, so try and stop the crosses! Close down wide players and full-backs, show them onto their weaker foot. In general, target the opposition's creative players. Combine this with a standard 4-4-2 and shouts aimed at keeping possession.
I have worked on this approach in my latest save and it has been quite successful, so far! 15 clean sheets in 30 matches isn't bad!
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If you can't win:
Either replay the game until you win
Jig about with tactics/formations and look at the individual training of each player plus feedback from coaches (x should train to knock ball past opponent/dive into tackles/hug the touchline etc.)
Shout, swear and curse
Take up praying
or...
Admit defeat and don't play any more.
Either replay the game until you win
Jig about with tactics/formations and look at the individual training of each player plus feedback from coaches (x should train to knock ball past opponent/dive into tackles/hug the touchline etc.)
Shout, swear and curse
Take up praying
or...
Admit defeat and don't play any more.