Wilshere could miss England match

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The injuries pretty much blighted his season and internationals. Could tell he was way below par. Tbh shouldn't have played in the U21's. Once he's recovered though, will be back to normal

He's looked desperately out of sorts, that plus the fact Everton are trying to push him further up the pitch, havent helped
 
Jamie, normally we agree on most things, but i disagree on your negative views.

In the last 8-10 years, there have been two thoughts on england, largely driven by ****** pundits and the Redtop media that seem to have become the general consensus. its a) we should knock over most teams easy cos we're Ingerland, or b) England are **** we will never amount to anything, the players arent that talented etc.

Neither are true, and it drives me up the wall. We're pretty decent nation, and for some reason cant see the middle ground its either one or the other. Very few people seem to want to step back and really analyse the situation, pundits and commentators would rather thrown out lazy one liners, ( yes Adrian Chiles in talking about you, you smug little ****)

People are so obsessed with what we arent that they cant see what we are. By and large, our players are agressive, and they are fit, right from Terry to Rooney up top, and because of the nature of the English game, they like to hound the ball. We are never going to to short game maestros, and frankly we dont need to , but we play a good medium game and have a core of players who can dictate the short game. Our own identity is staring us in the face. A semi counter-attacking aggressive pressing game relying on a midfield core that can play a short game and dictate the play through the middle, yet play the medium game down the flanks utilising the strengths of our fast pacy and dangerous intelligent flanks.

We need to stop lamenting that we arent someone else and play with what we are and realise we arent that bad, the soon er we do that the sooner we can actually get somewhere

I'm not saying play like Spain/Germany but we play kick and run football in the words of Beckenbauer and he's right...

I hate to side with the Germans on this but it is true, and they used to have their style of balanced rigid play but with the players like Ozil/Podolski/Mueller they adapted to play high tempo counter attacking football. England at International level have been well below par, the problem is something fundamental and it's the way players are brought through.

I hate being pessimistic, I have faith in the youngsters but if the systems broke then they are pretty much bound to fail from the get go. I never mentioned a problem with the physical stature of our players, that's fine and is what separates the Premier League from any other league in the world. I always support English players in the club circuit especially young ones, we have a unique system that produces Walcott's/Chamberlains over Sarabia's/Jimenez's and that is brilliant. The problem is the coaching and the fundemental fact that our players get coached to essentially 'stop the opposition' from early age groups (mainly under Pearce) rather than impose our quick, high tempo game on teams...

IF England get the right coach, with the right knowledge of the Premier League style, he can install a new modern philosophy of high tempo possession football based on overlapping widemen. That is why we differ from the Spaniards, we play high tempo every week and are built perfectly for it but what we lack is the coaching to put a system in place that imposes our better attributes on the opposition.

I liken England to Italy, two countries with so much potential but fail because their 'identity' at National level is outdated and not up to date with the Modern way.

We play kick and run and they play rigid 10 behind the ball bully the opposition into submission with defending.

Wilshere could be England's answer to Totti, a player who breaks the mould in a team full of people coached into the 'mould', or Wilshere could be the start of a new identity to the English team.

Either way the coaches there at the minute need throwing out and bring in specialist staff from the BPL, maybe make Hoddle U-21 coach with a young ex player as his assistant.

So many problems that lead up to match day performances it's ludicrous.

I often wonder what 'could be' right now if Scolari got hold of the team before he took over at Chelsea, and sadly I thin k we would be in a similar position.

Pearce has failed 3 times now is it?

I just don't see the sense in keeping him around, he hasn't helped any players to a great extent and his mindset is never going to help install a national philosophy. ''Winning mentality'' can't be picked up on if the coach is such an abysmal failure.

But yeah like I said, not all bad!

England/France/Italy are in similar positions.

It's just the French FA actually acted post South Africa whereas ours tied the coach up with a multi million pound contract so screwed themselves over before the tournament.

I'll turn on the England games again post Euros 2012 don't you worry, still support the players/country just not the system/manager/FA.

Edit: ''Euros 2010''? I know, think it was a typo. Fixed now.
 
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I'm not saying play like Spain/Germany but we play kick and run football in the words of Beckenbauer and he's right...

I hate to side with the Germans on this but it is true, and they used to have their style of balanced rigid play but with the players like Ozil/Podolski/Mueller they adapted to play high tempo counter attacking football. England at International level have been well below par, the problem is something fundamental and it's the way players are brought through.

I hate being pessimistic, I have faith in the youngsters but if the systems broke then they are pretty much bound to fail from the get go. I never mentioned a problem with the physical stature of our players, that's fine and is what separates the Premier League from any other league in the world. I always support English players in the club circuit especially young ones, we have a unique system that produces Walcott's/Chamberlains over Sarabia's/Jimenez's and that is brilliant. The problem is the coaching and the fundemental fact that our players get coached to essentially 'stop the opposition' from early age groups (mainly under Pearce) rather than impose our quick, high tempo game on teams...

IF England get the right coach, with the right knowledge of the Premier League style, he can install a new modern philosophy of high tempo possession football based on overlapping widemen. That is why we differ from the Spaniards, we play high tempo every week and are built perfectly for it but what we lack is the coaching to put a system in place that imposes our better attributes on the opposition.

I liken England to Italy, two countries with so much potential but fail because their 'identity' at National level is outdated and not up to date with the Modern way.

We play kick and run and they play rigid 10 behind the ball bully the opposition into submission with defending.

Wilshere could be England's answer to Totti, a player who breaks the mould in a team full of people coached into the 'mould', or Wilshere could be the start of a new identity to the English team.

Either way the coaches there at the minute need throwing out and bring in specialist staff from the BPL, maybe make Hoddle U-21 coach with a young ex player as his assistant.

So many problems that lead up to match day performances it's ludicrous.

I often wonder what 'could be' right now if Scolari got hold of the team before he took over at Chelsea, and sadly I thin k we would be in a similar position.

Pearce has failed 3 times now is it?

I just don't see the sense in keeping him around, he hasn't helped any players to a great extent and his mindset is never going to help install a national philosophy. ''Winning mentality'' can't be picked up on if the coach is such an abysmal failure.

But yeah like I said, not all bad!

England/France/Italy are in similar positions.

It's just the French FA actually acted post South Africa whereas ours tied the coach up with a multi million pound contract so screwed themselves over before the tournament.

I'll turn on the England games again post Euros 2010 don't you worry, still support the players/country just not the system/manager/FA.

I think too many critics dont differentiate between the players and the system (FA et all) the latter is a shambles (but it is getting better)

The Capello contract issue was a farce, and the FA are *****, but i feel people needlessly write off the players.

IF England get the right coach, with the right knowledge of the Premier League style, he can install a new modern philosophy of high tempo possession football based on overlapping widemen. That is why we differ from the Spaniards, we play high tempo every week and are built perfectly for it but what we lack is the coaching to put a system in place that imposes our better attributes on the opposition.

Agree with this, and this is where i get really angry. I cannot fathom for the love of God why we dont have a good pressing defence, if ever there was a nation built for it
 
the reason people get so angry with england is because the over estimate our abilities, they listen to the media and start thinking we're a lot better than we actually are
 
the reason people get so angry with england is because the over estimate our abilities, they listen to the media and start thinking we're a lot better than we actually are

In the next 3 years, we will be the best team in the world - mark my words.




/Irony ftw.
 
We were actually ranked 4th in the world before Wednesday or something
 
I remember when Anderson signed for MUFC The Sun ran a story saying that he would be the best player in the world within 3 years...

Makes me chuckle sometimes.

The real tragedy is when you compare Twitter followers, Wayne Rooney has 1.1 million and Sneijder has almost 190k...

That's the real measure of how good a player is right there!

I don't think we over estimate our capabilities to be honest, all of our players from Cole/Terry/Ferdinand/Gerrard/Lampard have all won top honours at club/European level.

I say give the job to Hope Powell.

Irony is I actually think she would do a better job than Capello...
 
the reason people get so angry with england is because the over estimate our abilities, they listen to the media and start thinking we're a lot better than we actually are

If you look at the players on their team, you would know why the expectations are high.
 
If you look at the players on their team, you would know why the expectations are high.

OK, We have quite a good goalie, a very good defence, an alright midfield and a strong attack.
 
Congratulations on the job working for The Sun, Joss!

My big break! YES!

OK, We have quite a good goalie, a very good defence, an alright midfield and a strong attack.

Player by player, we have an excellent midfield. Wilshere, Lampard, Gerrard, Parker, Carrick, etc. - problem is just that we've been playing 4-4-2 for the last 10 years and none of our managers have been able to get the best out of players who excel at club level.
 
i'm glad its just for England in a friendly? and not him hopefuly missing an important game for us.
 
I remember when Anderson signed for MUFC The Sun ran a story saying that he would be the best player in the world within 3 years...

Makes me chuckle sometimes.

The real tragedy is when you compare Twitter followers, Wayne Rooney has 1.1 million and Sneijder has almost 190k...

That's the real measure of how good a player is right there!

I don't think we over estimate our capabilities to be honest, all of our players from Cole/Terry/Ferdinand/Gerrard/Lampard have all won top honours at club/European level.

I say give the job to Hope Powell.

Irony is I actually think she would do a better job than Capello...

The real tragedy is that it's probably an indicator of how brain dead our nation is that they feel the need to know what cereal their favourite footballer has just eaten and when they've just gotten on the team bus. Sneijder's followers would sky rocket if he moved to England. Don't get the dig at Rooney either, I'd put him on par with Sneijder, but maybe I'm deluded by bias.

Our tabloid newspapers fuel themselves by sensationalism and use next to no actual basis for what they say. Whenever we win, we've "turned a corner", "shown true class" or some other tried out cliché that wouldn't go amiss from Joss' dictionary. ;) And then after one defeat the same media, same journalist will just write a damning article to make it out like we're the worst team in the world, 80% of which will constitute of the current buzzword of the week (see: Passion, pride etc.) as if all it takes is Dave from down the pub to bellow out the national anthem and put his boot through the ball to fix our woes. It'd be okay if they had backed their opinion up, but when was the last time you saw them use a chalkboard, heat map etc. or any sort of statistical analysis? They just stick pointless arbitrary numbers to assess each players' performance and then that's it, analysis done.

They also lack any sort of perspective or context. The French are having a much worse time of it, the Italians failed to qualify from a straight forward WC group, Brazil and Argentina flopped at the Copa, yet we're the perennial underachievers of world football?
 
My big break! YES!



Player by player, we have an excellent midfield. Wilshere, Lampard, Gerrard, Parker, Carrick, etc. - problem is just that we've been playing 4-4-2 for the last 10 years and none of our managers have been able to get the best out of players who excel at club level.

Sick joke is the over the years these players have largely done their best in 3 man mids
 
I can't see how you can have a go at Pearce, considering all other nations let their best players (that can qualify) go to the U21's, where as players in this country pull out left right and centre, for ******* **** reasons.

How you can expect a team with Michael Mancienne (****) and 3 keepers with no top flight experience to win a competition is beyond me, I can't think of any of the players in our Euro's squad with any technical ability, and you look at teams like Spain and Switzerland, all their players look comfortable on the ball, and have the ability to move the ball forward, rather than run 10 yards and pass it backwards, or attempt a 60 yard pass that sails directly into Row Z. It also didn't help at the Euro's that our strikers played awful, missing chances they would have buried at club level.

At the end of the day, there is only so much a manager can do, basic footballing principles need to be drilled in at a young age, we spend way too much time on the physical aspect of the game, where we should be focusing on the technical side of the game at a young age if we want any improvement in the future. We also need to start getting a winning mentality in our youngsters, stop playing ****** wank football when they are 7/8 years old, where no one cares if they win or lose, you want to ******* lash them with a whip if they lose, make them fear losing, so when they are 20-25, they aren't just a bunch of ****** push-overs.

You could have Jose Mourinho managing them, they still wouldn't win anything.
 
I can't see how you can have a go at Pearce, considering all other nations let their best players (that can qualify) go to the U21's, where as players in this country pull out left right and centre, for ******* **** reasons.

How you can expect a team with Michael Mancienne (****) and 3 keepers with no top flight experience to win a competition is beyond me, I can't think of any of the players in our Euro's squad with any technical ability, and you look at teams like Spain and Switzerland, all their players look comfortable on the ball, and have the ability to move the ball forward, rather than run 10 yards and pass it backwards, or attempt a 60 yard pass that sails directly into Row Z. It also didn't help at the Euro's that our strikers played awful, missing chances they would have buried at club level.

At the end of the day, there is only so much a manager can do, basic footballing principles need to be drilled in at a young age, we spend way too much time on the physical aspect of the game, where we should be focusing on the technical side of the game at a young age if we want any improvement in the future. We also need to start getting a winning mentality in our youngsters, stop playing ****** wank football when they are 7/8 years old, where no one cares if they win or lose, you want to ******* lash them with a whip if they lose, make them fear losing, so when they are 20-25, they aren't just a bunch of ****** push-overs.

You could have Jose Mourinho managing them, they still wouldn't win anything.

You see, he actually used to be good, a few years ago...when he played for QPR!
 
You see, he actually used to be good, a few years ago...when he played for QPR!

Watching him these days makes me want to punch blind children.

Hard.

In the face.

and then the ****.
 
He chose to play Mancienne, I would have urged him not to...

He had a good enough setup to do well, the GK situation baffled me when our press said we could win, compare Fielding to De Gea and you have your answer on that comparison.

Rodwell's role was muddled and unclear, but he could have done well for us with Henderson/Cork in the midfield.

Agree with most of your points but the book stops with Pearce and he failed yet he gets a new contract, give the job to a young coach with new ideas or maybe Glenn Hoddle with a younger coach.

Your more pessimistic than me, but I blame the coaches at the Euro's more than I blame the players...

But Sturridge under performed and Welbeck was below his best, Sinclair no showed and god knows how bad we would have done WITH Carroll in the team.

I suspect Smalling/Jones/Henderson would have a long ball field day.

^Not knocking them, because Smalling/Jones wont do it at club level it's just international, coaching system needs overhauling and the U-21 group of coaches needs changing. Too many people are too comfy in their positions and I would get rid of the lot of them and select specialist staff from BPL academies/physio departments to take on tournaments.

Just my opinion...
 
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