I fail to see how Barton should of been sent of by been grabbed by the neck and thrown to the floor oO)
Also, how can the ref seriously be to blame for a poor performance by Arsenal in the second half ?
Wilshere fumes at ref after draw
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I fail to see how Barton should of been sent of by been grabbed by the neck and thrown to the floor oO)
Also, how can the ref seriously be to blame for a poor performance by Arsenal in the second half ?
In a non-biased view the final score should have been 5-4 to arsenal. The second newcastle pen was an incorrect decision. The goal which newcastle scored but was ruled offside was also an incorrect decision. The goal which Van Persie scored but was ruled offside was wrong, and Nolan should have been sent off if the referee stayed consistent with his decisions.
Jack Wilshere did have a point. It happens in every game and with every referee.
Jack Wilshere did have a point. It happens in every game and with every referee.
Just ignoring his actual point, then...
His challenge was poor IMO, but we can go on forever about whether it was a red card, yellow card or nothing at all - Every time I make a point, I'm called bias, but when Dunc makes a point, he's absolutely right and not at all bias...
The ref can be blamed because he gave several strange decisions, and made several key errors including a penalty which shouldn't have been given, and a yellow card for Nolan when it should have been red. HOWEVER, as I've said SO many times - NC have to be praised for their comeback, and Arsenal have themselves to blame.
I have already answered this
But the excessive force he went in with deseved a red momentum in in every tackle thats not an excuse for the tackle
The ref had a hand in the comeback mixed with arsenal poor response to going a man down and newcastle's fighting spirit
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LOL This thread = arsenal fans opinions vs the world ^^)
We can argue about Barton all day, the same way we argued about De Jong's tackle on Ben Arfa (which I also thought was a good tackle btw).. At the end of the day, Barton won the ball cleanly and momentum took him into Diaby. You can't stop momentum so it can't really be a foul.
He hardly puts him in a headlock and shoves him to the ground. He puts his arm around his neck and Chezney falls to the floor like his legs have just melted. Never a red card. Also, he didn't shove Diaby. He pushed him away from in the same way Sagna was pushing him away from Barton, but Diaby then shoves him back with both hands looking for a fight.
1st penalty was a penalty, clumsy tackle and there was contact. Not alot, but enough. 2nd penalty I have no idea what it was for. Maybe because Rosicky jumped and pushed Williamson, but it was never a penalty but as Dunc said, Best's goal was a mile onside and it was ruled out.
RVP's goal was offside and was correctly ruled out, so I don't see what the problem is. To me they both got a decision in favour, and one against them.
It was a good hard challenge, he played the ball so he should not be sent off, on the other hand Joss i agree Nolan should of been sent off as he did the same as Diaby , but no way Barton should of gone.
Maybe it's because everything I am saying, is being said by everyone else, where as what you are saying, is only being repeated by other Arsenal fans.
Or maybe, it's because I am awesome, and you are not.
Either way, both our views are going to be bias because we support the opposing teams on this subject. While I would argue my case for the goalkeeper, I would still be unwilling to argue a case that Bartons challenge was worthy of a Red, or even a yellow, if it was made by an Arsenal player
I can see why you are aggrieved by the second penalty, but not the first, when it was a blatant foul, if you are clumsy in the box your likely to give away a penalty.
Indeed the linesman had a shocking game, I don't think anyone is disputing that, but at the end of the day, it was just a cracking game of football. After all the abuse I was getting from Arsenal fans on my Facebook after you went 4-0 up a swell, apologies for me not feeling sorry for you throwing away a 4-0 lead, when after weighing up both halfs, a draw was a fair result.
Nice consistency there mate
It's funny how Arsenal players, managers and quite a few fans react to when their team lose or draw, if this happened to Liverpool I would have been giving my stick to my players for not even turning up in the second half not to the referee for no reason, or to players like Barton, who by the way was sensational again yesterday.
Arsenal would have won the game if they weren't so cocky, but then again they are still young.. Well they were young.. About five years ago but sshh, nobody needs to know that.
I still refuse to watch the match so can't comment on linos, refs and such things but what I can't get my head around is how so called 'title contenders' have managed to squander a four goal lead. No matter if We've only got ten men. Lets just say I don't envy the Arsenal players in the dressing room after.
Nice consistency there mate
It's funny how Arsenal players, managers and quite a few fans react to when their team lose or draw, if this happened to Liverpool I would have been giving my stick to my players for not even turning up in the second half not to the referee for no reason, or to players like Barton, who by the way was sensational again yesterday.
Arsenal would have won the game if they weren't so cocky, but then again they are still young.. Well they were young.. About five years ago but sshh, nobody needs to know that.
Let's not talk about Liverpool please
The ref had a shocker, Arsenal had a shocker end of
The majority of United fans said the ref had a shocker but that we didn't deserve to get anything from the game. If you read through, all the United fans who actually watched the game know that we didn't deserve anything from that and were well beaten.
just shut your mouth Wilshere, this is the kind of thing that and getting arrested that will make you public enemy number 1. If anything Newcastle had a rightful goal dis-allowed, and i would focus on your own problems like letting a 4goal lead slip before blaiming other people.
Because the Arsenal fans are saying it changed the game etc etc.
We're not. We're saying that we should have lost regardless of the decisions, whereas Arsenal's fans are saying that if the ref had done this differently you still would have won.
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Apparently it did.