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It probably was terrorists, but I just watched the opening 30 minutes of that 9/11 loose change video and it really is convincing, some of the facts they bring up like the plane going into the pentagon, it went through two walls with the same shape of hole, yet there was no damage to anything else apart from the hole and surely the wings would of caused damage to the building, so it could easily of been a missile and not the plane itself.

R.I.P to all those who died on that day though.
 
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Its so easy to distort the facts to make weak minded people believe it was a conspiracy. If you had someone you know who died in it then tell me that I am ******* delusional. Most of these videos are made to make you believe it was an inside job by people who are against a national government and yes alot of people disliked Bush and would try anything to bring him down. Yes I believe it was terrorists. One of my friends died in it.

I'm sure the NYC firefighters disagree

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
 
this was a dreadful day - that's all it wanted to say. I don't care who did it, but thousands of people died and that's what counts
 
I've had this conversation so many times with so many groups of people. My personal opinion is that it was both the terrorists and then the government. If you watch the planes crash into the buildings, they hit near the top of the building causing damage and people to jump out of windows to save themselves. There have been many eye witness accounts however that have been recorded (can't find a link but I've seen them myself) that state that when all those people around the twin towers were fleeing and running away, a bunch of government officials were seen running towards the scene with briefcases filled with what was said to be explosives.
If you watch the footage of when the buildings actually collapse, you see the smoke come from the bottom of the building and then they crash to the floor. How could the buildings collapse from the bottom if they were driven through at the top. For them to collapse at the bottom, the plane would have had to smash through nearer the bottom of the building, but that didn't happen.
In my opinion, the terrorists attacked the buildings hoping for them to fall and to kill as many people as they could, and the government "finished the job" when they saw the damage by blowing them up from the bottom in a controlled explosion as a reason to call war or something else. That's my opinion and I won't comment again on this thread so please don't point out flaws in my opinion etc as everything I've said I have seen myself and I believe is what happened and will believe it is what happened until it is confirmed otherwise.

R.I.P to anyone who died that day. It was truly undeserved and should never have happened :wub:
 
If anyone thinks the whole 9/11 was a conspiracy then they are deluded. Thousands died for **** sake. Lets just honour the memory of them.

Completely agree, none of the conspiracy theories hold up against scrutiny and the whole notion of most of them is completely offensive.

For them to collapse at the bottom, the plane would have had to smash through nearer the bottom of the building, but that didn't happen.

I take it you don't have a degree in structural engineering then?

That's my opinion and I won't comment again on this thread so please don't point out flaws in my opinion etc as everything I've said I have seen myself and I believe is what happened and will believe it is what happened until it is confirmed otherwise

That's the attitude of a conspiracy theorist all right.
 
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i think, it was done by terriost groups. and that the American Government then used it as an excuse to invade Iraq, capture suddam and but Bin Laden into Exile. but thats another matter...

end of the day i think it was for real and we should just honour everyone who lost there life that day
 
Loose change is a good watch, but some of the theories just dont stand up.

On the other hand the official story has some pretty big holes in it, like how they indentified one of the hijackers by finding his passprt in the rubble, yet the explosion was supposedly hot enough to melt steel.....

Also something like 10 of the guys identified as the hijackers are still alive and living in Syria, Jordan etc.

Im undecided yet, but unfortunately we will probably never know, so lets just honour the people who died, as has already been said.
 
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I think its a disgrace peoples opinions are being slated on this thread, who cares if someones a conspiracy theorist, respect their views
 
Maybe the most disrespectful thing of all is the families of the lost , who do not know the truth , think about them , but when I seen people dying for nothing basically it makes me sick to my stomach by having an opinion , I believe it was an inside job , as hundreds of the deceased families also believe , I am not disrespecting anything , as I said not knowing the truth about it is more disrespectful to the families than anything else may they all rest in peace.
 
This pretty much rules out that it was the Government, what do you guys have to say to this?

YouTube- Osama Bin Laden On 9/11

Your saying the Government planned on getting Al Qaeda to do a little press conference?
 
America’s top military leaders drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in US cities to trick the public into supporting a war against Cuba in the early 1960s. Approved in writing by the Pentagon Joint Chiefs, Operation Northwoods even proposed blowing up a US ship and hijacking planes as a false pretext for war. [ABC News, 5/1/01, Pentagon Documents]

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1996–2001: Federal authorities are aware for years before 9/11 that suspected terrorists with ties to Osama bin Laden are receiving flight training at schools in the US and abroad. One convicted terrorist confesses that his planned role in a terror attack was to crash a plane into CIA headquarters.

1996–2001: On multiple occasions spies give detailed reports on bin Laden's location. Each time, the CIA director or White House officials prevent bin Laden's elimination.

2000–2001: 15 of the 19 hijackers fail to fill in visa documents properly in Saudi Arabia. Only six are interviewed. All 15 should have been denied entry to the US. [Washington Post, 10/22/02, ABC, 10/23/02] Two top Republican senators say if State Department personnel had merely followed the law, 9/11 would not have happened.

2000–2001: The military conducts exercises simulating hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets causing mass casualties. One target is the World Trade Center (WTC), another the Pentagon. Yet after 9/11, over and over the White House and security officials say they’re shocked that terrorists hijacked airliners and crashed them into landmark buildings.

Jan 2001: After the Nov 2000 elections, US intelligence agencies are told to “back off” investigating the bin Ladens and Saudi royals. There have always been constraints on investigating Saudi Arabians.

Spring 2001: A series of military and governmental policy documents is released that seek to legitimize the use of US military force in the pursuit of oil and gas. One advocates presidential subterfuge and hiding the reasons for warfare “as a necessity for mobilizing public support.”

May 2001: For the third time, US security chiefs reject Sudan’s offer of thick files on bin Laden and al-Qaeda. A senior CIA source calls it “the worst single intelligence failure in the business.”

June-Aug 2001: German intelligence warns the CIA that Middle Eastern terrorists are training for hijackings and targeting American interests. Russian President Vladimir Putin alerts the US of suicide pilots training for attacks on US targets. In late July, a Taliban emissary warns the US that bin Laden is planning a huge attack on American soil. In August, Israel warns of an imminent Al Qaeda attack.

July 4-14, 2001: Bin Laden reportedly receives kidney treatment from Canadian-trained Dr. Callaway at the American Hospital in Dubai. Dr. Callaway declines to comment. During his stay, bin Laden is allegedly visited by one or two CIA agents.

July 26, 2001: Attorney General Ashcroft stops flying commercial airlines due to a threat assessment. [CBS, 7/26/01] In May 2002, Ashcroft walks out of his office rather than answer questions about it.

Aug 6, 2001: President Bush receives an intelligence briefing warning that bin Laden might be planning to hijack commercial airliners. Titled “Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US,” the briefing specifically mentions the WTC. Yet Bush later claims it “said nothing about an attack on America.”

Aug 27, 2001: An FBI supervisor tries to ensure that a hijacker doesn't "take control of a plane and fly it into the World Trade Center." [Senate Report, 10/17/02] Headquarters chastises him for notifying the CIA.

Sept 10, 2001: A number of top Pentagon brass suddenly cancel travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns. Why isn't this news spread widely?

Sept 11, 2001: Data recovery experts extract data from 32 damaged WTC computer drives. The data reveals a surge in financial transactions shortly before the attacks. Illegal transfers of over $100 million may have been made through WTC computer systems immediately before and during the 9/11 disaster.

Sept 11, 2001: Described as a bizarre coincidence, a US intelligence agency was set for an exercise on Sept 11 at 9 AM in which an aircraft would crash into one of its buildings near Washington, DC.

Sept 11, 2001: Hours after the attacks, a "shadow government" is formed. Key congressional leaders say they didn’t know this government-in-waiting had been established.

Sept 11, 2001: Six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners make a tape recording describing the events within hours of the attacks. The tape is never turned over to the FBI. It is later illegally destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it.

Sept 13-19, 2001: Bin Laden's family is taken under FBI supervision to a secret assembly point. They leave the country by private plane when airports reopen days after the attacks.

Sept 15-16, 2001: Several of the 9/11 hijackers, including lead hijacker Mohamed Atta, may have had training at secure US military installations.

Sept 20, 2001: Several 9/11 hijackers later mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report turn up alive. "Five of the alleged hijackers have emerged, alive, innocent and astonished to see their names and photographs appearing on satellite television...The hijackers were using stolen identities."

Dec 2001-Feb 2002: The US engineers the rise to power of two former Unocal Oil employees: Hamid Karzai, the interim president of Afghanistan, and Zalmay Khalizad, the US envoy. The big American bases created in the Afghan war are identical to the route of the projected oil pipeline.

May 17, 2002: Dan Rather says that he and other journalists haven't been properly investigating since 9/11. He graphically describes the pressures to conform that built up after the attacks.

May 23, 2002: President Bush says he is opposed to establishing an independent commission to probe 9/11. Vice President Cheney earlier opposed any public hearings on 9/11.

May 30, 2002: FBI Agent Wright formally accuses the FBI of deliberately curtailing investigations that might have prevented 9/11. He is threatened with retribution if he talks to Congress about this.

July 22, 2004: The 9/11 Commission Report is published. It fails to mention that a year before the attacks a secret Pentagon project had identified four 9/11 hijackers, including leader Mohamed Atta. The Commission spokesperson initially states members were not informed of this, but later acknowledges they were.

2004 - 2005: A growing number of top government officials and public leaders express disbelief in the official story of 9/11. 100 prominent leaders and 40 9/11 family members sign a statement calling for an unbiased inquiry into evidence suggesting high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the attacks to occur.

Aug 9, 2006: A book by 9/11 Commission chairmen Kean and Hamilton outlines repeated deceptions by the Pentagon and FAA, including the timelines of Flights 77 and 93. CNN News: "The fact that the government would ... perpetuate the lie suggests that we need a full investigation of what is going on."

2006-2009: Over 50 former senior government officials and more than 100 highly respected professors publicly criticize The 9/11 Commission Report as highly flawed, and call for a new, independent investigation.
 
so u think it was fake? :/ if it was fake then how did loads of people lose their lives on a FAKE VIDEO? tbh i think you should respect the people's families and close this thread tbh
 
so u think it was fake? :/ if it was fake then how did loads of people lose their lives on a FAKE VIDEO? tbh i think you should respect the people's families and close this thread tbh

Its a debate, and its interesting. It shouldn't be closed mate.

We all know this was tragic, It was terrible, and I speak on behalf of everyone on this website in saying that we hope the families are okay and that the people within 9/11 and 7/7 did not deserve to die. Rest in peace.
 
so u think it was fake? :/ if it was fake then how did loads of people lose their lives on a FAKE VIDEO? tbh i think you should respect the people's families and close this thread tbh

Are you retarded? I know people died mate, thats ******* obvious. However, some people believe (with quite a lot of pretty convincing evidence) that the official story given by the government is not entirely true. Im open to suggestion as i cant bring myself to believe some of the things the Bush administration said about the event, ie 'oh we identified this hijacker by finding his passprt in the twin towers rubble'

Its called a conspiracy theory, plenty of them exist, they arent disrepectful in any way at all.
 
Are you retarded? I know people died mate, thats ******* obvious. However, some people believe (with quite a lot of pretty convincing evidence) that the official story given by the government is not entirely true. Im open to suggestion as i cant bring myself to believe some of the things the Bush administration said about the event, ie 'oh we identified this hijacker by finding his passprt in the twin towers rubble'

Its called a conspiracy theory, plenty of them exist, they arent disrepectful in any way at all.


oh im really a ****** lol i dribble every day.

anyway and its not disrespectful but sort of if you know wat i mean lol
 
I think you are always going to get conspiracies like these, whenever these dreadful events happen. It's great that we can have these debates but we must remember that nearly 3000 people died.

A dreadful thing but in my opinion there was no conspiracy, it was real.
 
Was 9/11 really terrorists? or george bush's plan? Because i've read around the internet and some people say that George Bush planned it and that the two planes where military planes with no windows. But i was about 6 when it happened u think
 
the government didn't know anything about it, and it wasn't a convenient excuse to start an Oil War.
 
Is 9/11 why the yanks are in afghanistan and iraq "helping" the iraqies and afghans or are they trying to look for oil supplies secretly?(just something that popped into my head) Didn't actually get taught about this stuff in school so know very little about it. But i feel this looks so rehearsed and like Bush's trying to hide something:

YouTube- CNN - Ex-President George W. Bush's Post 9/11 Speech
 
i think it was a conspiricy by the goverment and i send my hearts out to all the families that realatives were involved in such a mindless publicity act
 
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