[Barcelona][Tested With Athletic Bilbao] La Masia Philosophy

[Crane]

@arikubis nice work mate;
but if you can use the modern mode will be great.

Makes no difference, the tactic would be that heavily edited that any chances to a players role or shouts or anything would be useless.

The only thing that would be the difference is the cosmetics.

 

[arikubis]

no goals with this tactics ! But no lose...

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First, how about the match preparation, is it fluid already?
2. have you put your MCR into playmaker box? because from you images your players only released few passes, and i havent encounter something like that even if im heavily pressed by the opps
3. If your xavi and iniesta role players do not have try killers ball often ppm, so make them learned it, but remember the passing, creativity, and imagination stats must be higher than 15 if its not they would just wasting possession. While they learn, tweak your xavi and iniesta role, try through ball to often

 

[dickdastardly]

I worked on this with the new tactical system. The results have been good, but I am not getting the passing #'s I got when using your tactic directly. One major change I made was moving Messi forward and putting him in the trequarista role. He just dominates out there by himself.

 

[arikubis]

@arikubis nice work mate;
but if you can use the modern mode will be great.

yes mate this is a habit, because when i played fm for first time with cm 01/02 up to fm2008 or 2009 if im not wrong, there were no modern mode, so yeah im just getting used to classic mode

 

[8GoUrCuFf8]

Yes i put my MCR into playmaker box !

Sorry but i don't understand the point 3 ! I'm French !

"Try killers ball often" is similar that the individual instruction "take the ball often" ? Or "Run by far" ? (French translator)

 

[dickdastardly]

I think if you move to the new system, you'll have problems going back. Much more control in the new setup. I started playing around the same time you did, it does take getting used to

 

[8GoUrCuFf8]

First, how about the match preparation, is it fluid already?

I put the preparation on Workload in average ! Good ?

 

[arikubis]

Yes i put my MCR into playmaker box !

Sorry but i don't understand the point 3 ! I'm French !

"Try killers ball often" is similar that the individual instruction "take the ball often" ? Or "Run by far" ? (French translator)

well, we lost in translation then i think the translation is Passes en profondeur trop souvent.Is that right? copain bonne chance. i think in the future i have to learn french LOL (H)

I think if you move to the new system, you'll have problems going back. Much more control in the new setup. I started playing around the same time you did, it does take getting used to

yes mate when you are already comfort with one thing, its hard to try a new one LOL

 

[arikubis]

Although you can use this tactic as a plug n play tactic, but i highly recommended you to learn how your opps play, and tweak in game according to ur opps. to get the best out of your team and to have a successful season. Even if it is in modern mode shouts would no be effective because i have tweaked so many aspects of the instructions, so we have to do it manually

Some useful tips;
1. Watch your game in extended for the first 15 minutes, learn how your opponents play wheter they stay deep, press high. Or even in extreme way like mourinho did to barcelona, Intense and very high pressing like when Real played Barcelona in Super Copa or defend very very deep like when Inter vs Barcelona in CL semifinal
2. Then there are 3 aspect of team instruction that i usually tweak; Tempo, Time Wasting, and Width

Tempo
3 clicks : - using this for the first 15 minutes of the game, just to keep my players control the tempo and learn how the opps play
- usually used this also for the last 15 minutes to recharge my players fitness level and wasted time by keep moving the
ball, only used this when i have won by big margin
4 clicks : - standard tempo
6 clicks : - used this when desperately in need of goal
10 clicks: - used this when opps press me high
14 clicks: - used this when opps press me like crazy (the easy evidence is defenders passes rate become so poor)

but i have also maintain the time wasting, because it is very related

Time wasting
0 clicks: used this desperately in need of goal
1 clicks: used this when i need a goal before half time
2 clicks: used this in the first 15 minutes (standard setting)
3 clicks: used this when the opps play a bit wide (usually with 6 clicks tempo)
7 clicks: used this in the last 15 minutes after winning by big margin

Nb:
1). I usually try to keep the differences of tempo and time wasting by 2 clicks, for example if i used 3 clicks tempo then i used 1 click time wasting and so on
2) when the opps press you like crazy, and you still want to keep the possesion, when you have reached 8 clicks of tempo or higher try to make the time wasting in the same value as your tempo. But i prefer to make the time wasting lower, because i think there is no need to wasting time or hold the ball when your opps press you like crazy. Like these two goals

[video=youtube;YrojiKPkHKk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrojiKPkHKk[/video]

[video=youtube;nkslS-iL8M8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkslS-iL8M8[/video]

3). When your opps play in extreme way you can also try to increase your width up to 2 clicks from the standard setting wheter they play very very deep or very very high. the difference is when the opps play very high i suggest you to play with high/quick tempo. when your opps play very very deep i suggest you to play with slower tempo from the standard tempo setting

This is not a must to do tweaks. you can also try to create your own tweaks. cheers

 

[arikubis]

I put the preparation on Workload in average ! Good ?

Well honestly it takes time for other teams to get used to it, because yeah as we know the only team that play like this IRL is Barcelona, arsenal a bit and maybe Man City, or Bayern Munich. Real Madrid also can use this tactic in real life but i bet they dont want to, it is like throwing ur face into enemy's sh*t.
In terms of FM when i tried this with athletic and liverpool it takes time before they get used to it. try to put teamwork with very high workload in your match preparation

 

[arikubis]

Some updates from Liverpool Campaign


[video=youtube;h6B2DnKKwb4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6B2DnKKwb4[/video]

Patiently build up play from the goalie up to front from left side of the pitch and the result is a beautiful poacher style goal from Suarez


[video=youtube;ySEfo3p-zj4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySEfo3p-zj4[/video]

This is what happened if the opponents play very high, resulting a quick,swift pass and move to make a goal for my team. I think this situation is similiar to Barcelona when facing Real Madrid in Super Copa as shown by a video in my previous post


[video=youtube;1icz0iW1MCA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1icz0iW1MCA[/video]

A typical Barcelona goal, made from 18 passes cut through the heart of Chelsea defence, and the finishing from Maxi Rodriguez as the False 10 was sweet

 

[as2ucop]

what do you mean by clicks? can you show me how?

 

[AgentVinz]

Hi mate I'm interested in trying ur tactic because of the solid defence, and lots of passes. Thinking of trying it with Arsenal because they have the player requirements.
1. Villa role: Walcott / Gervingho, Iniesta role: Ramsey/Van Persie/ Arshavin/ Rosicky, Messi role: Van Persie/Gervinho/ Arshavin , Pedro role : Walcott/Gervinho/Benayoun, Xavi role : Arteta/ Ramsey
2. How do you think about the roles above? Will it suit well to them? And I'm thinking of moving Alves role to left because I think Andre Santos will suit it. So my right back will be more defending ( Sagna) do you think it will ruin the tactic?
3. I will have to retrain lots of player for the front four, although most of them already have 'competent' in AMC (RvP, Gervinho, Ramsey) . If they haven't be 'accomplish' in AMC will they play badly?
4. I'm thinking of untick the playmaker so that we will play the pass forward more rather than playing in the mid, and increasing through balls to sometimes for the player with 'rarely' through ball, so we will create more chances. What do u think?

 

[8GoUrCuFf8]

well, we lost in translation then i think the translation is Passes en profondeur trop souvent.Is that right? copain bonne chance. i think in the future i have to learn french LOL (H)

Yes that's right ! Thanks

 

[arikubis]

what do you mean by clicks? can you show me how?

what do i mean by clicks is for example if you go to Tactic -> Team Instruction -> See Width Column, then there is a bar with a slider in it -> each time you move it to right or to left is what i mean by click -> you can either move the bar/slider by click on the right or the left side of the bar/slider or you can just drag it -> I usually click it to move it -> each time you click on the right side of the bar/slider it value (+)1 click -> each time you click on the left side of the bar/slider it value (-)1 click

its hard for me to explain that because English is not my mother languange, sorry for that mate

Hi mate I'm interested in trying ur tactic because of the solid defence, and lots of passes. Thinking of trying it with Arsenal because they have the player requirements.
1. Villa role: Walcott / Gervingho, Iniesta role: Ramsey/Van Persie/ Arshavin/ Rosicky, Messi role: Van Persie/Gervinho/ Arshavin , Pedro role : Walcott/Gervinho/Benayoun, Xavi role : Arteta/ Ramsey
2. How do you think about the roles above? Will it suit well to them? And I'm thinking of moving Alves role to left because I think Andre Santos will suit it. So my right back will be more defending ( Sagna) do you think it will ruin the tactic?
3. I will have to retrain lots of player for the front four, although most of them already have 'competent' in AMC (RvP, Gervinho, Ramsey) . If they haven't be 'accomplish' in AMC will they play badly?
4. I'm thinking of untick the playmaker so that we will play the pass forward more rather than playing in the mid, and increasing through balls to sometimes for the player with 'rarely' through ball, so we will create more chances. What do u think?

Okay will try to answer ur question, and thx for the comments;
1. Yes all the players you mentioned above can play those positions, because arsenal almost shared the same philosophy with barca

2. Alves role to left? Never tried it before. The reason why i put dani alves role in the right side is to cover xavi role, to offering a help for an option pass to flank. But there is nothing wrong with trying, isnt it? honestly i once tried to put dani alves role, but i have to "flip" the tactic which mean i moved all the roles to the other side for example MCR to MCL, WBR to WBL, STL to STR, DMCL to DMCR and so on. I did this because my Messi role is right footed and i want to try if i moved his position to position where he can cut inside. But only tried this once. But yes if you want to try, just try it mate.

3. No, i think the wont play badly. I used Fernando Llronte in Messi role, usually people wont used a towering player such as Llronte in that position. But you know what he's been great in that position bangs many goals and released plenty of assists also, and i do believe RvP is much better that Llronte isnt it? The most important thing here for Messi role is how can he exploit spaces, which mean the player in this role must have good of the ball movement stat.
Lets imagine something here mate, this is Pep Guardiola's idea. If you see a team keep the ball in 1/2-3/4 of the pitch and not allowed the opps to play football for long time, and assuming you see that match as one of the spectator, that night will you know who is the forward or the attacking midfielder? or who will providing the width the wide forwards or the full backs? i bet thats hard mate, especially when they constantly move up and down to pick the ball. Thats what also happened with the opponents on the pitch. So thats why Pep Guardiola deployed most of midfielders in his tactic and without a real strikers, because when you have keep the ball for long time there is no need for a "fixed" players for each position, the most important thing is how to see spaces and create spaces

4. Okay if you think that is good for your team, just try it mate, no worry for trying something that we believe isnt it? Also the idea to keep the ball in mid is to make your opponents tire because they have to chase the ball

here is a good article to read mate Goal.com

 

[8GoUrCuFf8]

With the tactic V2 I take lot of goals because it is so dangerous to play offside with a not aligned defense!

I just removed play offside and I take fewer goals...!

I also changed the tempo on 14 cliks instead of 4 cliks !

The team works much better, I'll post again later more results ! I just took a beating against the Barça :s

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[arikubis]

With the tactic V2 I take lot of goals because it is so dangerous to play offside with a not aligned defense!

I just removed play offside and I take fewer goals...!

I also changed the tempo on 14 cliks instead of 4 cliks !

The team works much better, I'll post again later more results ! I just took a beating against the Barça :s

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well done mate, what team are you using now? really glad to see someone involved in the development of this tactic

 

[8GoUrCuFf8]

well done mate, what team are you using now? really glad to see someone involved in the development of this tactic

I play with Real Sociedad! So the changes what I made ​​may be valid only for small teams!

I try to bring my knowledge to this tactic because I was waiting for someone to make a tactic like that !

And like you, I want this tactic is perfect

 

[arikubis]

I play with Real Sociedad! So the changes what I made ​​may be valid only for small teams!

I try to bring my knowledge to this tactic because I was waiting for someone to make a tactic like that !

And like you, I want this tactic is perfect

yes, its nice if we could share our ideas and exchange it to others.And yeah, the reason why quick tempo works is because your opponents play very high against you because they consider you as a small team so thats why they play high against you, if the opponents play very very deep quick tempo will be useless, the ball will constantly taken by the opponents because they park a plane in front of their goal, so when play against team that defend very deep its better to play slow tempo, looking for the spaces to open. I think that's the idea, wheter you play as a small team or a big team. So how's the results mate?

 

[8GoUrCuFf8]

yes, its nice if we could share our ideas and exchange it to others. So how's the results mate?

I just finished a game! The result is very good! Control of the match too ! Against a team as offensively army...

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