Dawkins :Wub:
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours"
Do you Believe In God
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Dawkins :Wub:
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours"
Right, and we eventually got rid of Communism, for the better of the most of Eastern Europe. Through that analogy, basically what you're saying is that the world would be improved if we abolished all religion.
As for the "bit of a ****" comment, really to me it matters not what I call him. Why should I listen to you just because you have an imaginary friend?
Also, Joel wins. At everything.
Nice and constructive as usual from you, the sad thing is this posts is one of your better.
And communism is dying out. We saw it didn't work, and the vast majority of country's wiped it out. The only country's that have it in place are those that choose to use it to control the people.. wait a second, there's similarities here!
But, religion causes deaths. So we must embrace it and cherish it. Communism causes deaths so we oust it and condemn it. Explain the difference to me.
Also, explain to me why God made his creation out of a huge heap of imperfections that I listed on the last page.
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Right, and we eventually got rid of Communism, for the better of the most of Eastern Europe. Through that analogy, basically what you're saying is that the world would be improved if we abolished all religion.
As for the "bit of a ****" comment, really to me it matters not what I call him. Why should I listen to you just because you have an imaginary friend?
Also, Joel wins. At everything.
But the thing is mate, Wars still have over political gains, USA invading Iraq for Oil, and citing 9/11 as a reason, when plans where in place before then.... Getting rid of religion may stop some wars, but to think it would be benificial is awful, Some of you have lived sheltered lives, but religion have aved a lot of people from bad places, I have had friends who religion has helped them turn away from life of Crime, Drugs and god nows what.
I just think it is disrepectful to call him a bit of a ****... Ofc it is up to you, just thought better of you.
Joel is pretty cool, i agree, he supports Utd after all.
Maths is also the the language through which the laws of nature expresses itself. If God created nature, he must have made the mathematics as they are. Maths proves the impossibility of believing in the right God, why would God's own law discredit his existence?
If you want to wipe out religion, you will lose... You can't wipe out something like religion, it brings more then jsut death to the world.
I can't explain gods work, as i said before, I pray for an answer tonight, and live in hope he tells me one day, just for you.
Faith is a glass pillar, forged over thousands of years, such mastery has been put into its creation that it refracts light in beautiful ways, making it appear solid, but in reality it is paper thin, the smallest force; logic, reason, could easily destroy it.
But people fear that the glass pillar that lifts them so high, may break, so they build concrete walls of illogic, blindness (darkness may conceal, but light blinds forever) and thoughtlessness to protect this core of their existence.
They become sheep.
Logic and reason are marble pillars, beautiful, solid, and while they may be cold and hard, they will support any weight and hold up to even the strongest of forces.
But people fear that the glass pillar that lifts them so high, may break, so they build concrete walls of illogic, blindness (darkness may conceal, but light blinds forever) and thoughtlessness to protect this core of their existence.
They become sheep.
Logic and reason are marble pillars, beautiful, solid, and while they may be cold and hard, they will support any weight and hold up to even the strongest of forces.
thats what you get, when you get some ignorant, closed minded and disrespectful people together... opps( did i just describe half the fm-base community)
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to give us a choice..... beileve or not, it is all upto you, you should be happy he gave you that choice.
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No, from what I gathered you thought the only reason he died was he needed to die to absolve you. I'm trying to disprove that he died for your sins - he died because the Jews wanted him dead, and the Romans agreed, as Judea was horribly unstable and the Romans weren't keen on rebellion. That's why he got killed, not because the Romans thought it would be nice for him to die for you.
I have a morale conscience. Even LaVeyan satanism disagrees with killing. Stalin had no atheist reason to kill, he wanted power and wanted religion out as it was considered an enemy of his, as they wouldn't cooperate. Whereas Hitler, what he actually was (he was certainly raised Roman Catholic) in a but unsure, but he wanted a national church with him at its head to better control the masses.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Ald5f_nao"]YouTube - Richard Dawkins vs Bill O'Reilly[/ame]
Listen, I'm not disputing that we would have wars without religion - that would be foolish - but I'm suggesting there would be far less, and people would be far more rational and sensible. Sure, religion has done some good things, but maybe if as a society we focused more on getting rid of those bad things rather than religion we'd be better off, hm?
Look at it my way: he doesn't exist. I can't be disrespectful to something that doesn't exist. Still, it's a useful guage of who I'm talking to, and always provokes SOME response.
time for some edward current
http://www.youtube.com/user/EdwardCurrent#p/a/8DF8CC5D7E2A5011/0/urlTBBKTO68
http://www.youtube.com/user/EdwardCurrent#p/a/8DF8CC5D7E2A5011/2/P47OC439x88
checkmate atheists
http://www.youtube.com/user/EdwardCurrent#p/a/8DF8CC5D7E2A5011/0/urlTBBKTO68
http://www.youtube.com/user/EdwardCurrent#p/a/8DF8CC5D7E2A5011/2/P47OC439x88
checkmate atheists
If we concentrated on Drugs, Gangs and Voilence, certainly i wouldnt of lost so many friends, and so many people would still be alive. Religion has caused War, but so has everything, do we get rid of everything that causes War, cause there wont be much left.
Look at it my way: He exists, He is my lord, He is the one i love, and i try to show respect to non Beileves, then someone, who you thought better off, called him a ****.
Wow that sounds very much like something you would read from a social descrimination book.
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time for some edward current
http://www.youtube.com/user/EdwardCurrent#p/a/8DF8CC5D7E2A5011/0/urlTBBKTO68
http://www.youtube.com/user/EdwardCurrent#p/a/8DF8CC5D7E2A5011/2/P47OC439x88
checkmate atheists
this isnt a competition, well i never viewed it that way....
No......you believe he exists, evidence suggests its very unlikely he does not exist, you need to acknowledge that weather you choose to believe or not.
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also you didnt watch the videos
I said, Look at it my way, in the same mould Godcubed said it the other way. It isnt a hard concept, in my mind he exists, Hence why my Way.
EDIT: Sound doesnt work on my laptop, So cant view them, but there be some scientist trying to discredit religion, Like there hasnt been enough of them
Never been a war over Marmite. I'm being sarcastic, of course, but my point remains. There's never been a war over how much you DON'T believe in God, for example.
Fair enough, and I apologise. As I say though, at least it tells me you're not an extremist. An extremist would've threatened me with death by now...
of course racism would exist without religion... are you that deliuded that you cannot see people attacking other people because of the colour of their skin or are you only going by the fact that i said muslim terrorists?
preaching would be fogotten along with religion.. hence forth not a silly reply...
arranged marrages are wrong anyway... why should your parents choose who you marry? shouldnt you have the choice? (in some religions at least the parents choose)
did i say "paeodphillia would go with religion"? no i said that it would stop the stories of CATHLIC priests fiddling with kids...
so the crusades, the war on afganistan and iraq were not caused by religion? "MUSLIM TERRORITS attacked the world trade centre this morning"... notice the word MUSLIM in that statment? that sounds like religion to me...
why have you started to swear? are you that frustrated because religion is under the microscope here, that your resorting to vulgur language in order to try and make your point?