The side for one is far less disjointed than before. Certainly played with a better shape. There is a foundation that can be built upon. If you cant see the difference between this Euros and the World cup, then I'm not sure you pay enough attention.
Defended far better against France and Italy than we did agains Germany. Now its about making our shape more proactive, while bringing through players.
Like who? Rooney can't be blamed, Roy decided to take him and he knew that Rooney would probably not be fully match fit, not to mention he hardly had any supply. Gerrard and Parker were overrun in midfield so they were absolutely shattered when it came to attacking finally.
So you put no blame on the players and all on Roy? Bollocks. Rooney can be blamed, he stopped tracking him. If he was shattered, why didnt he drop into the hole and stay goal side, after all its his natural position. Rooney is intelligent enough to do this, he does it for United.
We were better than at the last World Cup, but lets be fair, we could not of been much worse, conceding goals from a goal kick, struggling against a group consisting of USA, Algeria and Slovenia.
Yeh we did defend well, although did we? Despite having so many men behind the ball and using the 'stand-off' approach, you could argue Italy winning 4-0 would not of flattered them.
Roy is the 'manager' it is his job to realise Rooney was not doing his job, he had no courage to take him off though, just continued letting Pirlo run the show. Rooney should of been subbed but instead he subbed Welbeck, which tells me Roy was either too scared to sub Rooney or he did not notice that Pirlo was running the show. (I presume the latter).
Roy is the 'manager' it is his job to realise Rooney was not doing his job, he had no courage to take him off though, just continued letting Pirlo run the show. Rooney should of been subbed but instead he subbed Welbeck, which tells me Roy was either too scared to sub Rooney or he did not notice that Pirlo was running the show. (I presume the latter).
Not sure what your point in, we were much better, in a tougher group. That is a big step forwards, no matter how much you try and put that down
That Italy side would have shredded us in 2010, and we would have conceded. Likewise France, they didnt get a single chance inside our box. Nasri's goal was a speculative long range shot, which Hart should have saved.
It is like for like though, men behind the ball and defending well is all good and great. But you sacrifice the attacking side of play, therefore constantly giving the opposition more of the ball and inviting pressure.
zzeezzy your argument against Hodsgon is filled with many assumptions. Not to mention your judging him so soon. He had two weeks to prepare for the tournament. He had to contend with injuries, players not stepping up and controversies. Yet he managed to get us to a Quarter-final berth where we lost to a very good side in Italy who have had more time to gel under their coach and have just as good or better squad than us
Your other points against Hodsgon such as he is too pragmatic a coach and will never get us playing proactive football is a assumption. Give him a technically proficient, young, energetic and well-gelled squad. If he continues to play defensive football then I will gladly join you in insulting him but for now... we have to wait and see
Also your argument that Hodgson is tactically inept is nonsense
zzeezzy your argument against Hodsgon is filled with many assumptions. Not to mention your judging him so soon. He had two weeks to prepare for the tournament. He had to contend with injuries, players not stepping up and controversies. Yet he managed to get us to a Quarter-final berth where we lost to a very good side in Italy who have had more time to gel under their coach and have just as good or better squad than us
Your other points against Hodsgon such as he is too pragmatic a coach and will never get us playing proactive football is a assumption. Give him a technically proficient, young, energetic and well-gelled squad. If he continues to play defensive football then I will gladly join you in insulting him but for now... we have to wait and see
Also your argument that Hodgson is tactically inept is nonsense
I assume you are referring to the Pirlo-Rooney situation, how is it nonsense? We were getting overrun in midfield, Pirlo was running the show, Rooney was not doing his job (we presume Roy told him to mark Pirlo) and did not solve this by subbing Rooney, which to me shows a lack of courage and we were just letting Italy dictate the game.
And you expected him to find the right balance in 4 games, with just two weeks of practice? Be real.
So why dont you blame Rooney for not doing his job?
He caused half of the problem this Euro's himself though, why do you have to be so defensive over Hodgson, he made mistakes.
He caused half of the problem this Euro's himself though, why do you have to be so defensive over Hodgson, he made mistakes.
Whether I blame Rooney or not is irrelevant, Hodgson should of subbed him because he was not marking Pirlo, it was the main problem throughout the game.
Im not, I've actually been critical of some of his thoughts, while understand his need to take that approach. I'm just pointing out the massive holes in your argument. No side is going to find a perfect balance in 4 games. He could have gone attack first, or defence first. He chose the latter.
Of course he made some mistakes, hes had little time. The players also made mistakes. However you seem to blame only him, and not the players, you dont seem to understand the basic premise that there was little time to work together, nor the basic idea of giving a manager time. You have used a rushed tournament of 4 games to hang him.Your bias is so patently obvious.
He made mistakes but your being way too harsh on him. Especially when you consider the circumstances in which he was brought in and the fact that he achieved what was a respectable and fair finish for England in the tournament going out on the lottery of a penalty shooutout
I suppose when England was winning then everything was great and you were praising Hodgson. Then we lost and your back to deriding and insulting him
Im not, I've actually been critical of some of his thoughts, while understand his need to take that approach. I'm just pointing out the massive holes in your argument. No side is going to find a perfect balance in 4 games. He could have gone attack first, or defence first. He chose the latter.
Of course he made some mistakes, hes had little time. The players also made mistakes. However you seem to blame only him, and not the players, you dont seem to understand the basic premise that there was little time to work together, nor the basic idea of giving a manager time. You have used a rushed tournament of 4 games to hang him.Your bias is so patently obvious.