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dilakh2 said:
Any other country and the likes of having Trent in their side dictating play from fullback would be building their side around him and using his ability. We have Gareth the yes man who wants trippier and co-running the show. You couldn't make this **** up lol.
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I mean even if Trent had a bit of a off season and not his former selfe to last season. You still have amazing FB there who can change the game when needed. All squads get extra spots to take with them this year because of Covidd and you still cant fit Trent into it... Lets face it, even Big Sam would not be that....
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
I still love the scandalous myth perpetuated by ignorant, clickbait pundits, and swallowed by simple fans at large who can’t watch him for themselves, that Trent can’t defend.

Thats one of the most hilarious, on-going things in football.
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Stephen Drennan on Twitter: "I read a lot of daft **** about Trent on here. Most of it is just entirely subjective nonsense about him not being better than a certain player because he isn't a good defender. It's a vague, nebulous statement which means it can't really be measured thus it is only [Thread 1/x]" / Twitter
 
What works for Liverpool doesn't necessarily work for England; Trent works best in a team that expects to dominate most games from start to finish, which England is not. So I can see why Southgate would prefer Trippier, although I'd still take Trent as an offensive option to bring from the bench.
 
Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson, Sam Johnstone & Jordan Pickford.
Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold, Ben Chilwell, Conor Coady, Reece James, Harry Maguire, Tyrone Mings, Luke Shaw, John Stones, Kieran Trippier & Kyle Walker.
Midfielders: Jude Bellingham, Jordan Henderson, Mason Mount, Kalvin Phillips & Declan Rice.
Attackers: Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Phil Foden, Jack Grealish, Harry Kane (C), Marcus Rashford, Bukayo Saka, Jadon Sancho & Raheem Sterling.
 
woolly said:
Would have preferred to have seen those players carrying injuries to be dropped to be honest, having 'injured' players in a squad in past competitions has exactly helped... Yes I understand players want to play and the manager wants the 'best' players in his squad but players need to consider that a knock now can have longer term effects on the rest of their career.
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Managers should be more brave regarding players being injured
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
Well that was *****. Having just watched the replay. Expect nothing less under Southgate tbh
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This has to be his last tournament right?

Even if England somehow fluke another quarter/ semi run, they can't go onto 2022 with a clueless, failed club manager surely?

That would just be another great English generation waisted.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
English neanderthals booing the knee.

Reason #9,046 to not have any interest in the National side.
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It's almost as if to kneel while wearing the coat of arms has a certain meaning and everybody knew it's going to get booed the moment fans are allowed back on the grounds. I know for a fact our players were more than happy to join the English team in protest when we played at Wembley, but like, stand on your head against racism, do the moonwalk against racism, but kneeling isn't gonna happen, not when they are wearing the colors.

There was a year to figure out another way to protest that's more agreeable, inclusive, gets all the teams and fans involved in a real showcase of football community uniting against racism. Instead they've spent a year mindlessly parroting some American theatrics and now everybody acts surprised when they discovered it was never very popular.
 
Tyton said:
It's almost as if to kneel while wearing the coat of arms has a certain meaning and everybody knew it's going to get booed the moment fans are allowed back on the grounds. I know for a fact our players were more than happy to join the English team in protest when we played at Wembley, but like, stand on your head against racism, do the moonwalk against racism, but kneeling isn't gonna happen, not when they are wearing the colors.

There was a year to figure out another way to protest that's more agreeable, inclusive, gets all the teams and fans involved in a real showcase of football community uniting against racism. Instead they've spent a year mindlessly parroting some American theatrics and now everybody acts surprised when they discovered it was never very popular.
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I think you are giving the idiots who boo the kneeling a bit too much credit. You think they will understand the nuances of anything related to this issue. Not a chance. You only had to see what happened at Burnley during project restart back in the summer.
 
Tyton said:
It's almost as if to kneel while wearing the coat of arms has a certain meaning and everybody knew it's going to get booed the moment fans are allowed back on the grounds. I know for a fact our players were more than happy to join the English team in protest when we played at Wembley, but like, stand on your head against racism, do the moonwalk against racism, but kneeling isn't gonna happen, not when they are wearing the colors.

There was a year to figure out another way to protest that's more agreeable, inclusive, gets all the teams and fans involved in a real showcase of football community uniting against racism. Instead they've spent a year mindlessly parroting some American theatrics and now everybody acts surprised when they discovered it was never very popular.
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It’s precisely the fact it’s ‘never very popular’ with racists that that short, simple, yet wholly powerful gesture that intolerance is unacceptable, is as needed now as it ever was.

For when it comes to anyone booing the players using the platform they’ve been afforded for good, its ONLY those with racial prejudice doing that who don’t like people standing up, or in this case, kneeling down, to their Evil mindset.
 
woolly said:
You kind of know it's starting to wear a bit thin when even a well known black footballer (Zaha) refused to take a knee, preferring to 'stand tall' instead. Nothing is gained anymore by doing it, the point has been made and it's time to move on.
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He's quite entitled to his views. As are the majority of his peers who feel the need to continue there collective stance.

But 1 player's view doesn't detract from the vast majority view.

If the point had been made, there wouldn't need to be a reason to carry it on. The fact English fans booed there own team before a ball was even kicked yesterday , patently shows it hasn't been and there certainly IS a need to carry it on.

Sorry mate, I take complete exception to the line 'it's time to move on.' There's NO time limit on standing up to racism.
 
dilakh2 said:
I think you are giving the idiots who boo the kneeling a bit too much credit. You think they will understand the nuances of anything related to this issue. Not a chance. You only had to see what happened at Burnley during project restart back in the summer.
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Sure, but that works both ways. Unless you're telling me Pickford is this deep philosophical thinker who understands all the nuance when he's kneeling.

Truth is it was a powerful symbol at first, but after a year it's become weird, especially when you're hosting a foreign team. Whether the guests stand or kneel they end up making some sort of statement, and I guarantee you a player coming from Romania has even less idea about all the "nuance" involved.
 
Tyton said:
Sure, but that works both ways. Unless you're telling me Pickford is this deep philosophical thinker who understands all the nuance when he's kneeling.

Truth is it was a powerful symbol at first, but after a year it's become weird, especially when you're hosting a foreign team. Whether the guests stand or kneel they end up making some sort of statement, and I guarantee you a player coming from Romania has even less idea about all the "nuance" involved.
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I get where you're coming from but the way I see it is that if someone asks a question or perhaps a kid asks "oh hey why are they kneeling" it gives a great chance to educate them, whether that be somebody standing tall or taking a knee a question will be asked and it gives a great opportunity to educate someone. The neanderthals as scouse put it more kindly than I would believe me as someone who has had to deal with the kind of ****** all my life do not care if someone is kneeling or standing. At the end of the day its all about education and something that is so complex as racism that is a societal issue cannot be eradicated simply but if we can educate people one by one then that's all you can ask for.
 
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