Fm13 Possession tactic discussion thread by Raikan007

[fj2650]

Thanks man! gonna try it!

 

[Tooj]

So, Raikan. I am trying a possesion tactic with Arsenal. Been having about 600 passes per game etc. Most of these passes are on the oppositions half and i am quite pleased with this. The problem is however that my central defenders cannot seem to get more than 60% completion rate when it comes to passes. All the other players are having about 90%. Is there a way i can fix this. View attachment 280611 This is the instructions i use for both of my CDs. They always seem to punt the ball forwards even when i have set the instructions to as short as possible.

I quite like the look of this formation. Do you mind uploading it for me?

 

[seanhrfc]

Tried creating a possession tactic using QPR on the demo. Managed to get some success but it was incredibly frustrating because my GK and CBs destroyed the flow by hoofing! I have downloaded the full version, will try again and let you know if I am successful. My basic outline was the following.

GK -D
CB - D
CB - D
Anchor - D
WBR - A
WBL - A
DLP (in MC) - S
AP (in MC) - S
IF (in AML) - S
AMRC - A
Poacher

Using manual settings on most. Was getting 85%+ PCR for all mid/att but less than 50% PCR for GK / CBs. Creating 4/5 CCCs, and not too bad defensively, apart from a 5-0 thrashing by Man Utd!

 

[simenr113]

I quite like the look of this formation. Do you mind uploading it for me?

I will perhaps upload it in the future. Not atm as i haven't got it working yet. Will alert you if i manage it.

 

[ALeagueReformer]

So glad to see you continue this thread Raikan! If you remember my Palermo posts from last year, you can see you inspired me to take my own little journey into tweaking FM tactics.

A few questions I have. I see you have implemented in your latest build some of the ideas from tactikzz 2012 possession tactic, namely the back three and the 2 banks of 3 in midfield. How have you found it to work? I implemented some of his formations into one of mine and found I was "breaking the game" with my play-maker, but not creating too many CCC's and having issues with solidarity playing as a smaller team against a bigger team. Like cricket score issues.

Have you kept your tempo and mentality higher? Rigidity? The tactic I am honing now (still playing FM2012 sadly) is still being tweaked at from when I first started playing with your original and adding some of his stuff in there. The formation is a more traditional 2-3-2-3, with defensive wing-backs, but I don't get the same ridiculous pass rate with my play-maker as I used to although the overall security of the team is better for lower league teams. So my major thing is, getting your play-maker in the middle are you still getting the spastic pass rate? If so how? What are his settings? I want to move my play-maker into the middle and leave my DM as more of a supporting outlet along with my wing-backs. Once I am happy with mine I would love for you to take a look at it. Currently I am running a test with it in the A-League as Brisbane, outplaying teams with twice the players I have in the ACL. Really proud of how it's coming along. I found decreasing creative freedom and increasing the tempo really helped with the CCC's without sacrificing possession. Still averaging 85%+ against the likes of Al-Hilal.

I could answer all these things by just downloading your latest build, but I won't have access to my own PC for another couple of weeks.

Just quickly for those interested in learning more about possession tactics I would suggest reading the aforementioned tactikzz articles here as well as playing with the ideas presented for yourself: 3-4-3 Possession Discussion #3 – Possession Break | Football Manager Tactical Newspaper

 

[Headshothunter]

Hello Raikan and everybody else in here!
I am struggling with my Arsenal team, to make them play great and find the right tactic, maybe you want to take a look at my team, teaminstructions and my traninggames?!

Team: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3941/teamseason1213.png

Teaminstructions: http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/3034/teaminstrucitonsseason1.png

Traininggames:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5927/dundeevsarsenal.png

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4972/leedsvsarsenal.png

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2236/arsenalvsrealmadrid.png

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/646/iraklisvsarsenal.png

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1230/arsenalvsfcporto.png


My CB are set to total defense, and i also told my backs to be more defensiv. Want more possession, conceed less goals and create more chances. And by the way i seem to conceed more goals through corner and freekick situationens, something you can help with?

 

[tikitactics]

Hey all, my first post in here so please be kind!

As my username suggests, I'm a lover of "tiki-taka", and have tried to make my teams play this way on FM; my targets being to have >70% possession, and create >2 CCs per game, while clocking up a very high pass count (>650 passes).

This worked great in FM12 and, after following advice from a "possession break" tactic, I was successful in beating teams with around 80% possession on a consistent basis, letting in very few goals and achieving more than 700 passes in each game, even against quality opposition.

Now, I'm no noob (indeed, I'm currently in 2026 on FM12), but I just can't seem to get things working in FM13...Moving my tactics across, my players let in sloppy goals for no good reason, my players seem to be too keen to play a killer ball, and my GK consistently boots the ball up the pitch despite being instructed to go for a simple ball to the unmarked defence. As a result, my possession is down, the play is far too open with both sides having a multitude of shots, while my defence is about as useful as an already melted chocolate tea-pot...

Anyone else having the same problems? Is it ME related? Please help

 

[FM_Jack]

I have the same problems as the guy above, also my midfielders take a ridiculous amount of long shots, when there instructed to 'Rarely' take them.

 

[Poobington]

I have the same problems as the guy above, also my midfielders take a ridiculous amount of long shots, when there instructed to 'Rarely' take them.

What PPMs do they have? I find these can practically override any instructions you give to your players.

 

[FM_Jack]

What PPMs do they have? I find these can practically override any instructions you give to your players.

I'm using Barcelona, i don't think any of there players would have that PPM

 

[Gump]

Hello Raikan and everybody else in here!
I am struggling with my Arsenal team, to make them play great and find the right tactic, maybe you want to take a look at my team, teaminstructions and my traninggames?!

Team: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3941/teamseason1213.png

Teaminstructions: http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/3034/teaminstrucitonsseason1.png

Traininggames:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5927/dundeevsarsenal.png

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4972/leedsvsarsenal.png

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2236/arsenalvsrealmadrid.png

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/646/iraklisvsarsenal.png

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1230/arsenalvsfcporto.png


My CB are set to total defense, and i also told my backs to be more defensiv. Want more possession, conceed less goals and create more chances. And by the way i seem to conceed more goals through corner and freekick situationens, something you can help with?

Seems to me that you're playing with way too fast tempo and ur passing is set to More Direct, which means they will look for more straightforward passes.

My suggestion is, try these:

- Since you're Arsenal, I'd slap in Fluid instead of Balanced since your players are able to play in a fluid system.
- Slap in More Expressive Creative Freedom.
- Slap in More Roaming instead of default.
- Raise your D-line in order to push the team up, meaning you will press hard which will force opposition players into mistakes. Play also offside with High D-line.
- Lower your Tempo to Normal or Slow.
- Make your more attacking players Move Into Channels so they can receive a pass. You can also make some players swap position (e.g. AML & AMR)
- Use Hold up ball sparingly, I'd place this to FB's and both CM's.
- Run from Deep sometimes/often, depending from the position and how you want the player to act. Run from Ball to rarely/sometimes to force passing.
- Make your players put through balls often so you create chances.
- Tweak Time Wasting between Rarely/Sometimes.
- Dont think this is necessary in FM13 since its easier to rack up passes but you can always lower your attacking players mentalities to Normal, so they will not be so attacking.
- Ive also found that if you dont allow your AML & AMR players to roam from their position, you're pressing will work better as then they will stick near to their man (FB's) and there aint no space to pass to FB's.

This is pretty much from Raikan's first post in this thread .

 

[L7Suarez]

Hey. I am in need of some tips to get me in the right direction. I'm trying to build a posession tactic, but my keeper and defenders doesnt want to cooperate. Way to often i see them playing long balls that i end op losing, instead of building the play up from the defencive line. i am playing a 4-2-3-1 (4-3-3) formation with Nuri Sahin and Lucas Leiva as the 2 CM's. And as DLP and the other as ball winning midfielder, with some tweaks ofc. Their mentality have been set to default, with the team mentality set to Control, as I have been having some trouble defending with my defencive settings from FM12. (I still have problems with that, but that will be the next thing to work on)

Any help and tips are recived with gratitude.

 

[Gump]

Hey. I am in need of some tips to get me in the right direction. I'm trying to build a posession tactic, but my keeper and defenders doesnt want to cooperate. Way to often i see them playing long balls that i end op losing, instead of building the play up from the defencive line. i am playing a 4-2-3-1 (4-3-3) formation with Nuri Sahin and Lucas Leiva as the 2 CM's. And as DLP and the other as ball winning midfielder, with some tweaks ofc. Their mentality have been set to default, with the team mentality set to Control, as I have been having some trouble defending with my defencive settings from FM12. (I still have problems with that, but that will be the next thing to work on)

Any help and tips are recived with gratitude.

Set GK Distribution to Defender Collect and then pick one of your defenders. But what Ive seen, this aint fixed properly yet as it was haunting BETA as a bug. I still see Gk's doing those long balls though they wont do them that often anymore as they tended to in BETA.

Look for Raikan's first post and my previous message, there's loads of tips available.

 

[L7Suarez]

I am using defender collect, so that's not the issue. Forgot to mention that. I've read Raikans post more than 10 times, but none of the tips i find there seems to get rid of the problem.

 

[Gump]

I am using defender collect, so that's not the issue. Forgot to mention that. I've read Raikans post more than 10 times, but none of the tips i find there seems to get rid of the problem.

Possession based tactics take also time so the team gets fluid with the system and stuff. Player Preferred Moves also have an impact on things.

 

[Zaffarano]

Possession based tactics take also time so the team gets fluid with the system and stuff. Player Preferred Moves also have an impact on things.

Ditto, it will take at least 20-25 games for the tactic to gel with the players.

 

[tikitactics]

The fact that others are having the same problems as me (refer to my post on the last page) seems to indicate that it's match engine related...

Any idea when the next patch might be out? I'm just sticking to FM12 for now because it's a ridiculous situation at the moment

 

[Gump]

The fact that others are having the same problems as me (refer to my post on the last page) seems to indicate that it's match engine related...

Any idea when the next patch might be out? I'm just sticking to FM12 for now because it's a ridiculous situation at the moment

Ye well I gotta agree either making tactics came way harder or then theres definately something wrong with ME. My defenders are totally out of sorts at times, especially fullbacks tend to be doing something else compared to what ive set them to do.

 

[FM_Jack]

Well after reading the full thread on peoples ideas, and really helpful tips i started to develop a possession tactic of my own. But i didn't want a possession tactic that just got me 70-80% possession. I wanted a tactic like most people here. A tactic that got me this and played amazing football at the same time. So i decided to build A 3-7-0 i only tested for a few games and the results where pretty good IMO. I tested with Arsenal and straight away i could see the amazing football game in and game out. I haven't fully watched the tactic in detail (For a full match) i watch on (Key). I mean this would happen once or twice a game but this was really good to watch. The players would either.
String together 10-15 passes around the opposing teams penalty area and then that killer ball that would leave the opposing team helpless.
Or maybe 5-10 quick short passes that would flow together really nicely.
What i ask from you raikan?

What are the best instructions to players, to. Get higher possession away? and higher possession in general and against bigger teams.

If you or anyone else could point me in the right direction would be great thank you.

 

[FM_Jack]

Here's some screenshots.


This is the first time i have ever got to 100 passes, with my RWB also Busquests got over 100 passes.

The full match stats.