Football Manager 14.2.0 Update

[Vanjagl]

Why the **** did SI release a patch that decreased the fluidity of a tactic? If they made significant changes to the match engine, compensate us for it by making sure the fluidity of our tactics doesn't randomly change after we install the tactic and can't defend nor score with it in the middle of the ******* season.

I'm sure I read somewhere that AIs will always have max fluidity. This is a ******* joke for us, we've got to struggle to get the ****** tactics right and then fluid in the first place, and then SI ******* ruin our hard work, which for many of us has consisted of hours of work for no gain, just because they can't be arsed putting something in the update to make sure the users are not unfairly punished.

Well, I've learnt my lesson. Only download updates when I've finished my season. **** you SI. **** you.

Awww, my 'I found the way to exploit match engine' tactic doesn't work anymore. Boo hoo.

 

[Newcastledownunder]

You do realised you have completely overreacted to something you read, that, is in fact completely wrong?

Do you even know why it changed?

http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/foot...otball-manager-14-2-0-update.html#post1948521

Oh and it happens to the AI as well, it always has done. The AI never always has max fluidity.

I know that there was a bug, and I understand why it needed to be gotten rid of, I just got annoyed that I lost the cup final that I was in on my Hibs save because of a defensive error that very well could have been caused by my tactic's fluidity halving unexpectedly. A small change I could understand, almost complete unfamiliarity in my tactic's ways of closing down, passing and tempo seems unfair, and I don't understand what caused such a dramatic difference.

As for the rest of my post, it was mostly an overreaction. And appologies about the AI thing, I read a post on a different forum from somebody who I presumed to be a programmer for SI who said that the AI has full working of the tactical system and knows how to implement the perfect tactic for their situation or something, and current ability of the manager was what effected how much of the tactical decision that was made correctly.

EDIT: It was never a match engine exploit. I just liked that tactic, it was an adaptation of the tiki taka tactic, and results are normal now that fluidity is back up to normal, but the update could very well have cost me a cup.

DOUBLE EDIT: That post I made was stupid, wrote in the heat of the moment, and does not reflect my overall opinion. I got annoyed at what I perceived to be an unavoidable consequence of the patch, of tactics (all, not just one) losing fluidity for seemingly no reason.

 

[Mike.]

I know that there was a bug, and I understand why it needed to be gotten rid of, I just got annoyed that I lost the cup final that I was in on my Hibs save because of a defensive error that very well could have been caused by my tactic's fluidity halving unexpectedly. A small change I could understand, almost complete unfamiliarity in my tactic's ways of closing down, passing and tempo seems unfair, and I don't understand what caused such a dramatic difference.

As for the rest of my post, it was mostly an overreaction. And appologies about the AI thing, I read a post on a different forum from somebody who I presumed to be a programmer for SI who said that the AI has full working of the tactical system and knows how to implement the perfect tactic for their situation or something, and current ability of the manager was what effected how much of the tactical decision that was made correctly.

EDIT: It was never a match engine exploit. I just liked that tactic, it was an adaptation of the tiki taka tactic, and results are normal now that fluidity is back up to normal, but the update could very well have cost me a cup.

DOUBLE EDIT: That post I made was stupid, wrote in the heat of the moment, and does not reflect my overall opinion. I got annoyed at what I perceived to be an unavoidable consequence of the patch, of tactics (all, not just one) losing fluidity for seemingly no reason.

Not every bug fix can be painless. We've gotten so used to many of them being painless that we get annoyed at the few that might knock us back, or even require a new save.

 

[Joey Numbaz]

Stuart Warren

Sports InteractiveJoin Date8th August 2002Posts3,964

RE: the tactical familiarity; this is due to fixes to the calculations for the tactical training. With some old games switching tactics around may cause an initial drop due to the new way the tactics are calculated into training, but it should be fine and develop correctly after that. It was actually bugged before, but wasn't visible.

This won't affect all continued saves, and won't affect new saves created in 14.2.0 at all. Hope that lends some clarity.​

Riz Remes

Sports InteractiveJoin Date16th March 2001LocationHelsinki, FinlandPosts5,323

Like I posted in the bug thread, we fixed some issues with how the different tactical settings are tracked in the tactical training. Naturally this means that in old saves where the tactical settings were differentiated a bit differently, the familiarity can take an initial dip when you switch tactics around after the update.

This will not affect new games and in old saves the familiarity will be regained over time again.​

This has not been my experience. I have one tactic that I don't change. On the save game it is initial fine, but right before the first match I lose all familiarity with passing style and closing down.

 

[Mike.]

This has not been my experience. I have one tactic that I don't change. On the save game it is initial fine, but right before the first match I lose all familiarity with passing style and closing down.

It's the same effect, its the rebalancing that causes the change. Doesn't happen to everyone mind.

 

[TheBigBadWolf]

Did they change the match graphics as well? Seems different, but I didn't see anywhere saying they had, so either I'm blind or delusional.

 

[Scotty98TR]

Well, I've learnt my lesson. Only download updates when I've finished my season. **** you SI. **** you.

I learnt after the last match. Since this update has release, I have just left my computer on and FM running in the background, so I can atleast finish my season

 

[SVB]

Did they change the match graphics as well? Seems different, but I didn't see anywhere saying they had, so either I'm blind or delusional.

Yeah they have done something to the graphics but we will probably get told they haven't ! I think it looks worse especially with what they've done to the names above the players

 

[TheBigBadWolf]

Yeah they have done something to the graphics but we will probably get told they haven't ! I think it looks worse especially with what they've done to the names above the players

Ye it looks lower quality as well. Quite strange.

 

[Mike.]

Yeah they have done something to the graphics but we will probably get told they haven't ! I think it looks worse especially with what they've done to the names above the players

Well that would be because they haven't done anything to the graphics, apart from change player name fonts, and increase the visual angle in 2d view for high balls iirc. You deciding to ignore what they say and and believing a different outcome doesn't make it true.

 

[Kareem306]

Has anyone found a fix to why the game keeps fricking crashing since the new update

 

[r1niceboy]

Nine starters injured, and eleven draws from sixteen games. The defending is better, right up until a free kick or corner is conceded, and the graphics seem to be a sharp as a sponge. Apart from that it's still not that engaging a game.

 

[Algenstein]

didnt concede all season from the corner....now every game twice....it is ****!

 

[SVB]

Well that would be because they haven't done anything to the graphics, apart from change player name fonts, and increase the visual angle in 2d view for high balls iirc. You deciding to ignore what they say and and believing a different outcome doesn't make it true.

What you on about " me deciding to ignore what they say and believing a different outcome doesn't make it true " all I've said is the graphics have slightly changed and I'm not the 1st person to notice this!! Seems to me with that comment you go around looking for debates with users

 

[ricobru17]

My 2D Classic is all wrong, do you guys know how to fiz it? Thanks.View attachment 442824

 

[GodCubed]

What you on about " me deciding to ignore what they say and believing a different outcome doesn't make it true " all I've said is the graphics have slightly changed and I'm not the 1st person to notice this!! Seems to me with that comment you go around looking for debates with users

Meh, everyone used to believe the world was flat too. Doesn't mean they were right. Just because other people have said it doesn't make it true.

 

[SVB]

Meh, everyone used to believe the world was flat too. Doesn't mean they were right. Just because other people have said it doesn't make it true.

Wondered how long it would take for the infantry to arrive !! With that comment you don't realise how stupid you have made yourself sound!!

i pointed out something I and others have noticed

and what do I get SNIDEY remarks because you have nothing better to do

 

[Tezzz]

Ooooo an update! Hardly played since the last update. Every time you have to change your tactics to beat the match engine as they change it so often.

Guys, don't try argue with anyone who works for SI or any of their forum friends. They'll always say you're wrong, despite you explaining your experiences with the update.

 

[GodCubed]

Wondered how long it would take for the infantry to arrive !! With that comment you don't realise how stupid you have made yourself sound!!

Still not as stupid as someone who can't punctuate properly, I'd suggest.

Simple fact of the matter is the graphics haven't been changed other than fonts and a minor 2D graphical viewpoint adjustment. You can shout about it as much as you want and sling around insults to your heart's content, but it won't change the that fact.

 

[SVB]

Still not as stupid as someone who can't punctuate properly, I'd suggest.

Simple fact of the matter is the graphics haven't been changed other than fonts and a minor 2D graphical viewpoint adjustment. You can shout about it as much as you want and sling around insults to your heart's content, but it won't change the that fact.

someone who can't punctuate properly

How sad

where does it tell us on the update about the fonts being changed