Kallemannen & ChristianEriksen - Ultimate 4231

AllanT said:
Lol ofc its a tweak. Although its not completely different from the original, i have actually changed quite a lot more than what you are trying to imply there. I haven't just changed 1 or 2 Player instructions, it's a lot more than you are making out. I doubt the original would go through 2 full seasons unbeaten in the league like my tweak did.
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As said, a tactic testing league has to prove this

Secondly, I can see in your style of writing that you are trying to claim yourself a superior tactican than me.

Well dude, heres the hard thing, and that is to make a tactical system, tweaks can be made in infinty and improve the tactic, making a well playing plug and play is the hard thing and you have done no such thing just a simple tweak so stop boasting.

Ive seen lots of people like you claiming they are some kind of tactical genius cause they made a few changes or 2.
Come back and try to boast when you have posted your own plug n play tactic here on FM Base, not just a tweak

After all its the Internet and its not a real life discussion but the vibes I get from your writing is that you are acting like an extreme uptight arrogant C

After all I made you spend hours in front of your computer with my tactical system.

All you have done is to change som PI
like "close down more", dribble more on AMC and shoot less on some offensive players
and cause of this, you claim yourself to be some kind of tactical genius

well just how arrogant isnt that

Just look at the last sentence you said there.. ******* **** mate..
Funny how you dismiss my tactic like that, it has after all made you spend hours in front of your computer
 
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kallemannen said:
As said, a tactic testing league has to prove this

Secondly, I can see in your style of writing that you are trying to claim yourself a superior tactican than me.

Well dude, heres the hard thing, and that is to make a tactical system, tweaks can be made in infinty and improve the tactic, making a well playing plug and play is the hard thing and you have done no such thing just a simple tweak so stop boasting.

Ive seen lots of people like you claiming they are some kind of tactical genius cause they made a few changes or 2.
Come back and try to boast when you have posted your own plug n play tactic here on FM Base, not just a tweak

After all its the Internet and its not a real life discussion but the vibes I get from your writing is that you are acting like an extreme uptight arrogant C

After all I made you spend hours in front of your computer with my tactical system.

All you have done is to change som PI
like "close down more", dribble more on AMC and shoot less on some offensive players
and cause of this, you claim yourself to be some kind of tactical genius

well just how arrogant isnt that

Just look at the last sentence you said there.. ******* **** mate..
Funny how you dismiss my tactic like that, it has after all made you spend hours in front of your computer
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What the ****? i dunno why you've got your knickers in a twist m8 but you've totally read me wrong. I have made no claims to be a "super tactician", i made tweaks to the original of the collab that you and Christian have done and you seem to have gotten the hump when someone asked for it to be put on the OP yesterday.

Tbh i find it quite disappointing that your being like this over a computer game, when anyone else would have just said "well done" because its worked so well for a lot of people or something like that. Ive not been gloating about this either, just posting screenshots like anyone else would. Im sorry if thats how you have read any posts i have made but thats not how they were intended.

The reason i doubted that the original would go through 2 full seasons in the league unbeaten, was because when i played it, it didnt go through 1 season unbeaten, which was why i made the changes i did because i liked the tactic. Simple as that and tbh i dont come on this forum to get someone throw abuse at me and make me out to be some total ****. I come on here to talk about football manager 2015 tactics.

Also, in regards to putting this tweak through a tactic testing league, you will have to use the original for that. I dont really care if the tweaks i have made go through a tactic testing league or not as i dont feel it will gain anything. I'd rather people just talk about it on here and discuss trying to improve it.
 
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well I didn't expect this when i asked for tactic to be put in OP.

so back to tactic. I put in Allan's tweek some different set pieces. they are not mine but from here. http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/share-download-fm-15-tactics/292326-v0lliz-433-v15-3-1-a.html

I will put some results in end of season so we can see is it better with them.

unfortunatly I dont have great team and I don't have good throw in taker (biggest score is 11) so I can't really test throw in's so much (they say if you have long flat bullet throws every throw in is like corner is like goal)
 
ColinCalderwood said:
Allan, how does your tweak work with weaker teams?


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I'll be totally honest, im enjoying my save with Lyon loads atm and the thought of starting a fresh save isnt something ive really thought about tbh.

Altho i have fielded a full team of under 19's (0-1.5 stars) on a fair few occasions which is probably about as close as ive got i guess to a team as weak as your looking for. So i'd say it would probably do ok but i cant really give you the accurate answer your looking for im afraid.

Only thing i can say is try it out and see how it goes and let everyone on here know with a few ss's.
 
Pogrebnik said:
well I didn't expect this when i asked for tactic to be put in OP.

so back to tactic. I put in Allan's tweek some different set pieces. they are not mine but from here. http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/share-download-fm-15-tactics/292326-v0lliz-433-v15-3-1-a.html

I will put some results in end of season so we can see is it better with them.

unfortunatly I dont have great team and I don't have good throw in taker (biggest score is 11) so I can't really test throw in's so much (they say if you have long flat bullet throws every throw in is like corner is like goal)
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Yes, there hasn't been enough goals from corners as ive had with other tactics so i'm looking forward to seeing how you do with this :)
 
AllanT said:
What the ****? i dunno why you've got your knickers in a twist m8 but you've totally read me wrong. I have made no claims to be a "super tactician", i made tweaks to the original of the collab that you and Christian have done and you seem to have gotten the hump when someone asked for it to be put on the OP yesterday.

Tbh i find it quite disappointing that your being like this over a computer game, when anyone else would have just said "well done" because its worked so well for a lot of people or something like that. Ive not been gloating about this either, just posting screenshots like anyone else would. Im sorry if thats how you have read any posts i have made but thats not how they were intended.

The reason i doubted that the original would go through 2 full seasons in the league unbeaten, was because when i played it, it didnt go through 1 season unbeaten, which was why i made the changes i did because i liked the tactic. Simple as that and tbh i dont come on this forum to get someone throw abuse at me and make me out to be some total ****. I come on here to talk about football manager 2015 tactics.

Also, in regards to putting this tweak through a tactic testing league, you will have to use the original for that. I dont really care if the tweaks i have made go through a tactic testing league or not as i dont feel it will gain anything. I'd rather people just talk about it on here and discuss trying to improve it.
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The thing with the testing league is that its the only proper way to test 2 different tactics.
And this "unbeaten" thing, just drop it christ.. Im gonna make a chelsea test save now and I can swear I will not go the season unbeaten.

With my tactic, I broke chelseas defensive BPL record and scored 48 Premier league goals with Lukaku in one season.
Probably I lost a match when I played my entire B squad, but who cares?

Your "tweak" is no superior thing, you want to know why?
Cuase its the same ****** tactic! You havent changed anything. All you have don is added a few PI´s
That barley change anything

And we have the variable of the player, there is more to it than the tactic, the league you play in and so
Im sure some people would do better with the original, and some with your little added PI´s
What can be said is you havent changed anything mate

Its so little that you cant even call it a change
It might look as "much" to you but trust me, it isnt, you havent changed the tactical system and how the tactic plays
A tactical system is like a clockwork, gears going into eachother forming a working system, this you havent touched

And for the record, anyone can do that, a tactic can be improved by a monkey into infinity
The hard thing is making the entire tactical system, that can be "plug and play"
and by that a tactic that can play well against any form/team/manager.
Thats the hard thing

not making a few tweak, for example, I "tweaked" TFFS Executioner into some kind of 4-2-3-1 that played really well and yeah, probably I was unbeaten too, should I go into his thread and post it like "humph, I bet you couldnt go unbeaten with the original, look at me the master"

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But: As you said I might have gotten you wrong
its the internet so It is what it is. But I could read a strong arrogance/taking extreme pride in your "work" and claiming yourself to be better.

But that doesnt have to be the case so, Ill back of a bit its just a game as u say
 
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kallemannen said:
And this "unbeaten" thing, just drop it christ. Im gonna make a chelsea test save now and I can swear I will not go the season unbeaten.

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But: As you said I might have gotten you wrong
its the internet so It is what it is. But I could read a strong arrogance/taking extreme pride in your "work" and claiming yourself to be better.
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Yeah you have got me wrong, very wrong.

I've mentioned about going unbeaten so people can appreciate what you can get from this tactic if you use it right. I dont really care who is better than who. Thats of no concern to me. All that matters on this thread is this tactic, the results people have gotten from it and what can be done to improve it. I am merely making people aware of the results i have had with this like any person would on any tactics thread here.

But yes i am proud that ive made this go unbeaten for so long and i hope others have the same success with it that i have but at no point have i claimed to be better than anyone so i really dont see the need to abuse me on open forums over it.

One thing ive taken from any tactic Christian Erikson has worked on, is that they are never plug and play. You have to manage the games to get the results, which is what i have done with this and im sure a lot of people on here that have followed what Christian has worked on will know that and do the same.

Back to the thread...

Anyone ever come across this guy before?

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Never heard of him before but seems to do both DM and Regista roles very well. Only downer is he the "Tackle harder" setting with his high aggression stat can make him get into hot water on occasions lol
 
Also, its about the players too and PI´s are also about fine tuning it for your own players.
For example "dribble more" on the AMC like you changed, might suit your team if you have an excellent dribbler
and it might be bad for someone with a poor dribbler etc.

Just saying what you have made is what everyone should make to a tactic to fine tune it for their players
you havent changed or touched the tactical system at all.

And this whole unbeaten thing is a lot about luck and how well your players fit the tactic and so on, says nothing about which tactic is better and so on, depends more on you as a manager, your rotation and in game changes.
As said only a tactic testing league (and even that wouldnt be 100 % accurate) could prove a difference between your "changes" and the original.

You have no reason to come out with arrogant comments like:

Lol ofc its a tweak.
I doubt the original would go through 2 full seasons unbeaten in the league like my tweak did.

Sorry but if that doesnt smell like old classic brittish arrogance then I dont know what does...
You obviously got offended by that, and put yourself in some kind of defence position, that just proves my point, you do think you made something great (which u didnt) and got offended

What you also have to realise is that, as said you can tweak tactics to infinity.
But there are always new tactics out there, new patches, and of course, new FM games that comes every year.

Every tactic runs the risk of being ruined after each patch.
Thats why there is always a time limit that you spend with your tactic once you made something good

You apparently got a bit offended when I didnt want to call your "tweak" a tweak.
Thats what started this whole thing, your edgy answer to that I wrote.
But mate, it still isnt. You havent made a tweak. You have just made what everyone else does and SHOULD do to a tactic
Fine tune it for your own team.
What we present here in this thread is a tactical system that people can use, and then its up to you to adjust it to your team

There is no saying that a tweak is better or not than the original, cause it depends on the team you are using!
You are still using the tactical system presented in the thread, it plays the same with some adjusments to your team.

But I have seen SOOO many people like this, so many.
They change an instruction or 2 and think they are some kind of tactical genius and get offended when u tell them they are not
Absolute FM classic
 
Kallemannen all the talking about Allan's "tweak" takes place in your thread, I don't thinhek he claimed that his a tactical genious... he just changed 1-2 things that he believes that improve the tactic.

This is not a tactical genious competition, this is a forum to help each other...

If you can't accept that someone can improve your tactic, don't share it.
If you share it in order to get likes and good comments only, don't share it.
If you share it in order people to call you tactical genious, don't share it.

Nobody said that Allan's tweak is a new tactic...it's your tactic with some changes...

I think the arrogant here is you, because you feel that you don't get the cretdit you deserve...
 
Disasterman said:
Kallemannen all the talking about Allan's "tweak" takes place in your thread, I don't thinhek he claimed that his a tactical genious... he just changed 1-2 things that he believes that improve the tactic.

This is not a tactical genious competition, this is a forum to help each other...

If you can't accept that someone can improve your tactic, don't share it.
If you share it in order to get likes and good comments only, don't share it.
If you share it in order people to call you tactical genious, don't share it.

Nobody said that Allan's tweak is a new tactic...it's your tactic with some changes...

I think the arrogant here is you, because you feel that you don't get the cretdit you deserve...
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Well you are wrong here but somewhat close still:
What annoys me is not what you have written but it might be connected.

The annoying thing is the wrong/naive view people have on tactics.
They dont seem to understand how important the players are in your team. how important YOU are and the ingame changes you make, how you play as manager.
I have for example also used a 4-4-2 when I play that I made, at not only this formation, in order to chase when being a goal down for example.


Everyone should adapt and change the tactic for their team.
Thats what PI´s are for. Got a great dribbler? Yeah, then make him dribble more and so on.

You fine tune the tactic for yourself.

What my point is:

There is just no way you "change" a tactic, like plugnplay/universal for the better with a few PI´s changes, since thats all individual for the players u got in your team and how/what in game changes u make while playing.
therefore, it cant really be called a "tweak" or "another improved tactic".

Cause the reason I share is to give a nice tactical system to other fans of 4-2-3-1
And to help others play FM good, and if people have such a naive view of tactics, then its not going to help them perform in game with the tactic, since that is obviously what they want since they want to use other peoples plug n play tactics.

So its the view people have on tactics that annoys me.. clear?

It started with people wanting this tweak at the front page, I mean why?
Just take the original tactic, its the same system, and then fine tune it your self for your team, with PIs, and maybe even roles.
If you got for example Spurs and Lamela in your team, and inverting the tactic or using him as an Inside Foward instead och a winger would be better, due to his left foot and attacking qualities, changing some PI´s to suit your players.

That what FM players MUST do.
And allan has done so for his team, great. there is no reason to say his small adaption to his Fulham side is supposed to be posted and replace our tacitc in the front page

Secondly, I interpreted Allan as arrogant, although he might not have meant that at all
Since it actually is not very accurate to judge what people mean behind their words, over the internet.
 
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kallemannen said:
Well you are wrong here but somewhat close still:
What annoys me is not what you have written but it might be connected.

The annoying thing is the wrong/naive view people have on tactics.
They dont seem to understand how important the players are in your team. how important YOU are and the ingame changes you make, how you play as manager.
I have for example also used a 4-4-2 when I play that I made, at not only this formation, in order to chase when being a goal down for example.


Everyone should adapt and change the tactic for their team.
Thats what PI´s are for. Got a great dribbler? Yeah, then make him dribble more and so on.

You fine tune the tactic for yourself.

What my point is:

There is just no way you "change" a tactic, like plugnplay/universal for the better with a few PI´s changes, since thats all individual for the players u got in your team and how/what in game changes u make while playing.
therefore, it cant really be called a "tweak" or "another improved tactic".

Cause the reason I share is to give a nice tactical system to other fans of 4-2-3-1
And to help others play FM good, and if people have such a naive view of tactics, then its not going to help them perform in game with the tactic, since that is obviously what they want since they want to use other peoples plug n play tactics.

So its the view people have on tactics that annoys me.. clear?

It started with people wanting this tweak at the front page, I mean why?
Just take the original tactic, its the same system, and then fine tune it your self for your team, with PIs, and maybe even roles.
If you got for example Spurs and Lamela in your team, and inverting the tactic or using him as an Inside Foward instead och a winger would be better, due to his left foot and attacking qualities, changing some PI´s to suit your players.

That what FM players MUST do.
And allan has done so for his team, great. there is no reason to say his small adaption to his Fulham side is supposed to be posted and replace our tacitc in the front page

Secondly, I interpreted Allan as arrogant, although he might not have meant that at all
Since it actually is not very accurate to judge what people mean behind their words, over the internet.
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I think with 2 simple team instructions you can completely change a tactic, rythm and passing for example, or pressing.
Also some tactics that we call "plug and play" are easier to be played from the majority of the teams. For example I guess a tactic with wingers will be succesful for more people than a tactic with Inside Forwards because the amount of wingers in FM is larger than the IF. But all these are not so important...

I didn't want to offened you, I just believe this argument doesn't really help anyone and I don't think Allan made somthing wrong.

That's all from me
Peace!

Edit: Now I've read that you wrote with some PI's and Imentioned TI's, ignore the first part
 
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Alright
Its so **** difficult for me to explain what I truly mean in english..

But to sum it up its mostly how people who dont create tactics themself view tactics, FM and the whole process.
A lot of them dont understand the work and the process to create a powerful plug and play tactic, and in general how FM and tactics work
 
kallemannen said:
Alright
Its so **** difficult for me to explain what I truly mean in english..

But to sum it up its mostly how people who dont create tactics themself view tactics, FM and the whole process.
A lot of them dont understand the work and the process to create a powerful plug and play tactic, and in general how FM and tactics work
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not only that

there is alot of so called experienced FM players who didnt learned how to properly play this game.

playing this type of game more then 14-15 years and I know what I am talking about.

In my opinion even average menagers with worst club in division can reach top 6 in every major leauge.

there is alot of FM players who dont even watching their games


how the **** you can improve tacticaly your team when you are not watching the game.





sorry but this I see all of the time
 
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Kallemannen

A few things

(1) I am not claiming that i am a tactical genius or better than anyone on this forum

(2) In my opinion, i feel i have improved the original tactic, this is based on my own results and other peoples feedback and results. This is not because i think am an FM god or anything like what you are claiming i think i am.

(3) i dont play my "tweak" as plug and play.

(4) Can we get back on topic please b4 this gets out of hand ? :)
 
AllanT please upload it again.Becuase original one never worked amazing for me.Just usual.
 
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