Kenny Dalglish leaves Liverpool manager's post

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And all in all it was a really **** poor season.

2 cup finals and only 2 places behind Chelsea. Could have been a worse season to be honest, considering the squad they have and the fact Liverpool strikers obviously think hitting the bar/post counts as a goal, as well as players like Downing doing his up most to finish the season without a positive statistic to his name.
 
2 cup finals and only 2 places behind Chelsea. Could have been a worse season to be honest, considering the squad they have and the fact Liverpool strikers obviously think hitting the bar/post counts as a goal, as well as players like Downing doing his up most to finish the season without a positive statistic to his name.

I agree it could have been much worse but to quote Arry "the league is your bread and butter". I don't think much of finishing 2 places behind Chelsea because this was our worst finish for 10 years. On hitting the woodwork you could either call that unlucky or poor finishing?
 
Worrying about the sacking is the least of the clubs issues right now. Dont have a CEO to give the club direction, dont have a director of football, the managing director is about to get fired. The club is entirely rudderless in a summer where everything needs to go right if they want to get back into the top 4. Oh and the owners tried to flog the club.
 
Walking in a Kenny Wonderlaaaaaand
 
Why would a young, ambitious manager like AVB want to go to Liverpool? Genuine question because I can't see what they can offer him. Their first squad is very mediocre (no offence but you have to be realistic) and they've wasted a huge deal of money on very average players that he will either have to sell (which will be embarrassing) or include purely because of their fees. Anyone taking over will have to accept that they need to finish in the top 4 in a league that includes: Chelsea, United, City, Arsenal, to a lesser extent Spurs, as well as clubs like Everton and Newcastle that have a decent chance of nabbing 4th if anyone slips up.


Villas Boas on the other hand, still looks like a quality manager in the making, plays pretty football and came out of the whole Chelsea episode relatively unscathed because of the fickle nature of their board and dressing room.


So, what can Liverpool offer him?


He cam out unscathed in the media though. Pretty sure other clubs will be looking at the way he handled the squad particularly his more controversial decisions of banishing Alex/Anelka

To be fair though there are not many bigger clubs than Liverpool who will offer AVB a job at the moment. Inter Milan might although their in a much worse state than Liverpool. Same goes for Roma. I am thinking that if AVB is promised a decent war chest as well as the freedom to mould the squad as he likes he will join
 
May be I'm wrong there. Was relying on someone else's numbers, so if I am, apologies as I've not doublechecked.

Not sure to be honest. Rafa would be brilliant. But also ludicrously divisive. And I doubt he'd fit too well with what they want in terms of image. Klopp would be my ideal choice, but he's not going to come. Deschamps was another name being mentioned when Hodgson got sacked but I'm not overly keen. If we're going young and British, Swansea's manager, at a push, might be worth a punt - mainly because he's got huge brass ones. If you want someone who's been there, done it, got the t-shirt and got a point to prove, Capello - but he'd be short-term, Chelsea want him and he'd cost a fortune. Ragnick (sp?) and Bielsa I like. But they're both flawed in their own ways.

Without a structure there, without any idea of what the plan is (if one exists), hard to say. Some of em are better at building a club than others. Some of them are better at getting short-term results than others. What are we doing? What do we want?

Yeah, I really don't think there's much difference in the spending.. Bruce definitely spent the most though.

Do you really think we should go back to Rafa? Don't get me wrong, I love the man, but, shouldn't we be moving forward? Not only that, but there would be a **** of a lot of pressure on him to get CL football.

Klopp is my choice, but he's unrealistic. He's enjoyed a great couple of years at Dortmund and I doubt he wants to leave the squad he's put together. Deschamps, no thanks. For me, Rodgers doesn't rank any higher than Lambert or Martinez.. Although he has worked with Mourinho, maybe there is something "special" about him?

Capello doesn't sound like the sort of man FSG want, but, I mean, they're pretty clueless anyway so it's a possibility. Begs the question, though, why sack Dalglish for Capello? Really don't think that would go down well. Like you say, Rangnick and Bielsa are both flawed in their own way.. Not the worse guys we could go for but I just cannot see it happening.

You didn't mention AVB? Who is the bookies favourites and apparently has already spoken to the owners. Do you not want him? We could do worse, although, he's definitely a gamble after his time at Chelsea. I heard that there could be a contract in his severance package that meant he couldn't manage a PL team so soon after leaving Chelsea, could just be a rumour, though.

Can't help but feel this sort of thing wouldn't have happened under different owners. IMO, Fenway are just lucky that the owners that preceded them were complete ********.. There are a lot of fans losing patience and I've even seen some people calling for campaigns to get them out.
 
Honest opinion? He's had more money to spend than Bruce and Jewell and had worse results. Comparing apples to apples there. Interesting manager. No thank you, good luck at Villa all the same.

For a manager to turn a team around that had previously lost 8 games on the bounce and had been sitting bottom since September, to then go on and beat Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United, Newcastle, should have beaten Chelsea and for the most part of it comfortably. We were in a deeper hole than Liverpool, facing relegation. If he can do that with less than average players (in most peoples eyes), then what could he do with a squad like Liverpool's?

Honestly, I don't know why I'm gloating about him because I don't even want him to go.. XD
 
For a manager to turn a team around that had previously lost 8 games on the bounce and had been sitting bottom since September, to then go on and beat Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United, Newcastle, should have beaten Chelsea and for the most part of it comfortably. We were in a deeper hole than Liverpool, facing relegation. If he can do that with less than average players (in most peoples eyes), then what could he do with a squad like Liverpool's?

Honestly, I don't know why I'm gloating about him because I don't even want him to go.. XD


The problem is that his side was **** for 3/4 of the season. Its commendable the way he turned it around but then again RDM did the same with Chelsea and some might argue he had the tougher job. Yet I doubt anyone would want RDM for the Pool job. Even though he is young and dynamic like Martinez
 
The problem is that his side was **** for 3/4 of the season. Its commendable the way he turned it around but then again RDM did the same with Chelsea and some might argue he had the tougher job. Yet I doubt anyone would want RDM for the Pool job. Even though he is young and dynamic like Martinez

RDM didn't turn anything around in regards to the league, though.
 
RDM didn't turn anything around in regards to the league, though.


Not really his fault, we were fighting on three fronts with a gruelling fixture list and eventually he gave up on the league and put all our eggs in the CL Finals basket because we had too much ground to cover and our squad was too thin to continue our push for a top 4 spot
 
Not really his fault, we were fighting on three fronts with a gruelling fixture list and eventually he gave up on the league and put all our eggs in the CL Finals basket because we had too much ground to cover and our squad was too thin to continue our push for a top 4 spot

I'm not saying he didn't do a bad job.. Just that, he hardly "turned things around" in terms of league performance, which, if anything, got worse.
 
I'm not saying he didn't do a bad job.. Just that, he hardly "turned things around" in terms of league performance, which, if anything, got worse.


I agree with you but he did turn around the FA Cup and CL runs pretty spectacularly
 
The problem is that his side was **** for 3/4 of the season. Its commendable the way he turned it around but then again RDM did the same with Chelsea and some might argue he had the tougher job. Yet I doubt anyone would want RDM for the Pool job. Even though he is young and dynamic like Martinez

Well they only lost 3 in 15, so it's more like 1/2 a season. Wigan have a turnover of a little over £40m and debts at almost £100m (IIRC, Mike. posted the accounts somewhere), he doesn't have a pot to **** in and arguably the worst squad in the league, and still keeps them up time and time again while adhering to his footballing principles. One could argue that while it's his fault that their early form was poor, it takes tactical ingenuity to spot the flaws to turn them around and get a poor squad playing as one of the form teams of the league. Beausejour has also been one of the most astute and underrated signings of the season.

Not saying he's the perfect choice, there's plenty of young managers who have better credentials than keeping Wigan up, but I think it's unfair to be so dismissive over him.
 
Well they only lost 3 in 15, so it's more like 1/2 a season. Wigan have a turnover of a little over £40m and debts at almost £100m (IIRC, Mike. posted the accounts somewhere), he doesn't have a pot to **** in and arguably the worst squad in the league, and still keeps them up time and time again while adhering to his footballing principles. One could argue that while it's his fault that their early form was poor, it takes tactical ingenuity to spot the flaws to turn them around and get a poor squad playing as one of the form teams of the league. Beausejour has also been one of the most astute and underrated signings of the season.

Not saying he's the perfect choice, there's plenty of young managers who have better credentials than keeping Wigan up, but I think it's unfair to be so dismissive over him.

I am not being dismissive of him at all even if I did sound that way... I just think that Liverpool should look towards other managers before him. I am curious to see what Martinez can do at a club like Villa though where he might have some money to spend and a good young squad
 
Wigan before Martinez: 06-10th 07-17th 08-14th and 09-11th.
And with Martinez: 16th 15th and 15th.

This is why I was skeptical
 
For a manager to turn a team around that had previously lost 8 games on the bounce and had been sitting bottom since September, to then go on and beat Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United, Newcastle, should have beaten Chelsea and for the most part of it comfortably. We were in a deeper hole than Liverpool, facing relegation. If he can do that with less than average players (in most peoples eyes), then what could he do with a squad like Liverpool's?

Honestly, I don't know why I'm gloating about him because I don't even want him to go.. XD

Alcaraz summed it up for me mate. I think he's a really interesting and intelligent manager. But whenever I compare apples to apples, he's never quite matched up to the glossy teflon image the broadsheets like to give of him. His teams always have huge defensive problems. This season he realised what it was, switched systems, caught everyone on the hop and got his team out of trouble again. What does he do next season when his cunning ploy will have been analysed in depth to be countered? He's astute, intelligent, seems like a nice bloke and obviously doing what he's meant to do with Wigan's limited budget. I still think he'd need a lot of support from an exceptional defensive coach to manage a team where it's 4th spot or you're sacked. And even then it would be a huge gamble.
 
Alcaraz summed it up for me mate. I think he's a really interesting and intelligent manager. But whenever I compare apples to apples, he's never quite matched up to the glossy teflon image the broadsheets like to give of him. His teams always have huge defensive problems. This season he realised what it was, switched systems, caught everyone on the hop and got his team out of trouble again. What does he do next season when his cunning ploy will have been analysed in depth to be countered? He's astute, intelligent, seems like a nice bloke and obviously doing what he's meant to do with Wigan's limited budget. I still think he'd need a lot of support from an exceptional defensive coach to manage a team where it's 4th spot or you're sacked. And even then it would be a huge gamble.

Martinez has done exceptionally well with his limited budget and has his team playing good football. His tactics is obviously going to be much better suited for a squad like Liverpool than Wigan but even then its a huge gamble considering the defensive problems his team faces.

Not to mention they finish with negative goal differences every season and rely on late surging runs of form to see them through relegation battles after being **** for 3/4 of the season. No doubt Martinez is a intelligent manager but as you pointed out, it would be a massive gamble

Also if people are so keen on Martinez then why not mention Di Matteo... Di Matteo has also engineered a spectacular turn-around and he had to beat teams like Barcelona, Liverpool, Benefica not to mention that amazing game where he erased Napoli's 3-1 advantage. Not to mention he came in at a time when Chelsea were experiencing their worst season and had no opportunity to bring his players in unlike Martinez.

But again I doubt any Liverpool fan wants RDM for the job despite the fact that he shares many of the same qualities as Martinez. He too is young, dynamic, tactically astute and did well with West Brom before being sacked for no good reason.
 
Felt sorry for Kenny. But he had Money and spent it and the form was shocking.

I don't think Martinez should come in as Manager. Be another Roy Hodgson?
 
But it wasn't the correct the decision. So, he was just stating the truth.

I was always a critic of Kenny, and I said I didn't think he was the right man for the job, but I still think he should have been given time to prove himself, one bad season, that's it and he got sacked. It wasn't fair, nor was it the right decision.

Nobody is above the club, but he deserved another year, minimum.

Did Hodgson not deserve the same amount of time then? He was never given a fair crack at Liverpool because all the fans wanted Kenny as manager. Now look at whats happened, whose to say it won't happen again if a new manager comes in and doesn't do great to start off with? They'll all be clamouring for Kenny to come back and save them again.

It was never the right choice to appoint him in the first place. If I was a Liverpool fan I'd like to see Benitez back at the helm or AVB. None of the other managers really stand out for me, and like people have said, Benitez was good under **** owners, what could he do with good owners?
 
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