Liga BBVA 2010-2011 Thread.
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Either way, it'll be interesting to see if you're right. I don't think it will happen though.
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Sigh. Another reason why La Liga is the most boring league in the world. Second to the Serie A of course.
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You can't be serious.
Have you watched Serie A the past 3 seasons or so? To call it boring is just extremely narrow-minded. And how can aleague with Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Valencia, Villarreal, Espanol and now the squadthat Malaga have be boring? I assume you don't watch much Serie A/BBVA.
Have you watched Serie A the past 3 seasons or so? To call it boring is just extremely narrow-minded. And how can aleague with Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Valencia, Villarreal, Espanol and now the squadthat Malaga have be boring? I assume you don't watch much Serie A/BBVA.
I agree with you on Serie A, it has improved a lot. But La Liga? You might as well flip a coin, one side being Madrid, the other being Barça, and that's La Liga for you, ladies and gentlemen.
But credit where it is due, Barca can do that to any team. You can form super league, still they will dominate games like they do now.
They played with no proper CB still were cruising, their midfield is amazing, Fabregas has added new dimension to their attack and Thiago has added slight directness that Iniesta does.
They played with no proper CB still were cruising, their midfield is amazing, Fabregas has added new dimension to their attack and Thiago has added slight directness that Iniesta does.
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La liga is boring TBH.
Villarreal’s President Fernando Roig
Valencia President Manuel Llorente
Sevilla’s President Jose Maria del Nido
Villarreal’s President Fernando Roig
Valencia President Manuel Llorente
Sevilla’s President Jose Maria del Nido
The fact they earn 1000% more TV money than most teams in their league, and probably twice, or maybe even more, than any other top team in Europe (And the world for that matter) kind of helps. Not taking anything away from La Masia, they have produced some amazing youngsters, but they've also been spending like crazy recently. La Liga is a league made to suit 2 teams, Madrid and Barcelona, and it's understandably having an effect on the footballing world as a whole - Madrid are second only to Barça.
Yeah but still their team is built on La Masia core. They have wasted Millions on poor transfers but they have relied on La Masia for filling up their squad.
One can argue about that TV revenue helps them to retain their stars as they pay insane wages, I agree with that.
Up to a certain extent. Looking at their current squad, about half their players came through the youth ranks, which says a lot, but it doesn't make the amount of money spent on the other half any less impressive, in all honesty.
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Well, having the two best teams in World Football in oneleague can cause that.
Either way, it is very entertaning to watch the teams, alot of them play magnificent football, and within the top 6 there are incredible games.
That's what I (And pretty much everyone on fm base) have been saying for the past 5 or 6 pages
I'm proud, to an extent, at how Atleti played.
Still think Manzano made 3-4 slip ups selection wise and his tactics were horrendous. His tactics were basically 'clear it from the back' and 'dont give Falcao the ball to feet unless it's in behind or in the box'. Reyes was terrible but I understand the selection.
Silvio and Filipe would be the 2 full backs I would want, the best way to beat Barce is attack.
I would have lined up 4-3-3 with Diego/Gabi/Suarez in the midfield and Arda/Falcao/Reyes in the front line and Perea/Dominguez at CB with Silvio/Filipe wide ideally.
I don't agree, shocking I know, that Real Madrid are the 2nd best team in the world I think they frankly get over rated. You look at their CL progress in the past 3-4 years and it's been pretty poor and their league performances especially at home have been shaky at best for the past few years. They aren't this 'unbeatable entity' they are vulnerable and most of La Liga knows that.
I do think there is a gap in La Liga...From 15th-20th. Not that much of a gap in the top 7, on their days I couldn't split Valencia/Atleti/Athletic/Sevilla/Villareal/Malaga.
Serie A...Is not boring as well if that's been debated, either is La Liga.
If you watch it week in week out and look at the re emergence of Betis with the slide of Bilbao then that's hardly a league not worth watching. From Michu to Rondon, there's alot of forward talent that goes un noticed outside the top 5.
Almeria got relegated last season, they had Diego Alves and Piatti...That's hardly a team lacking quality.
I put it like this:
Did Atleti mark a visit to the Nou Camp as a really plausible 3 points? No.
Osasuna just wrote it off completely (A few lower teams in La Liga do do that, often causing embarrassing scorelines).
But alot of teams know that the one area Barcelona are vulnerable is away from home which is where they drop the majority of their points. You take Barce to the Calderon in Madrid on a cold night I guarantee it will not be a thumping.
Also take into account this is a fresh looking Atletico team with alot of new blood being integrated.
I know I say this almost every time someone gets thumped in La Liga but, it's early days and it just shows what everyone already knows Barce are the best team in the world.
As for Madrid, on paper they may have the best individual's in the world but they play as a team of individuals alot of the time and that shows. Relying on set pieces to score alot of your goals could be seen as a positive thing but with Ozil/Kaka/Ronaldo you have to expect more.
Bielsa has been given 10 games from now to 'save his job' as well, they have set a target of 18 points...
El Loco is under pressure no 2 ways about it.
Tips for relegation: Granada, Racing, Sporting.
I think Zaragoza will be down there but they have just enough experience to stay up, just enough. Sporting have no goal scorer and that's their main problem and it would not surprise me if Barcelona activate their £2m buy back on Botia at the end of the season or even in January because he's alot better than Fontas.
Laudrup is on very thin ice at Mallorca, already gone against his directors and criticized them for selling De Guzman. A job in Germany is his eventual destination I would guess by next summer.
Betis have a great team as well they shouldn't be overlooked for Europe, Benat/Montero/Santa Cruz/JP and alot of young players out to prove a point.
This is a Betis team without Emana as well who moved in the summer which makes this start even more impressive.
I don't accept La Liga is a 2 team league, I accept 2 teams have the highest probability of winning the league but in England realistically you're looking at 3 teams in United/City/Chelsea so it's not all that different. The depth of quality in La Liga is greater than the Premier League in my opinion but the overall quality in the Premier League is better, you look at the likes of Guardado/Piatti/Alves/Adrian going down with relegated teams last year and it shows the quality of the league to an extent just as much as the under achievement of those 2 clubs.
Still think Manzano made 3-4 slip ups selection wise and his tactics were horrendous. His tactics were basically 'clear it from the back' and 'dont give Falcao the ball to feet unless it's in behind or in the box'. Reyes was terrible but I understand the selection.
Silvio and Filipe would be the 2 full backs I would want, the best way to beat Barce is attack.
I would have lined up 4-3-3 with Diego/Gabi/Suarez in the midfield and Arda/Falcao/Reyes in the front line and Perea/Dominguez at CB with Silvio/Filipe wide ideally.
I don't agree, shocking I know, that Real Madrid are the 2nd best team in the world I think they frankly get over rated. You look at their CL progress in the past 3-4 years and it's been pretty poor and their league performances especially at home have been shaky at best for the past few years. They aren't this 'unbeatable entity' they are vulnerable and most of La Liga knows that.
I do think there is a gap in La Liga...From 15th-20th. Not that much of a gap in the top 7, on their days I couldn't split Valencia/Atleti/Athletic/Sevilla/Villareal/Malaga.
Serie A...Is not boring as well if that's been debated, either is La Liga.
If you watch it week in week out and look at the re emergence of Betis with the slide of Bilbao then that's hardly a league not worth watching. From Michu to Rondon, there's alot of forward talent that goes un noticed outside the top 5.
Almeria got relegated last season, they had Diego Alves and Piatti...That's hardly a team lacking quality.
I put it like this:
Did Atleti mark a visit to the Nou Camp as a really plausible 3 points? No.
Osasuna just wrote it off completely (A few lower teams in La Liga do do that, often causing embarrassing scorelines).
But alot of teams know that the one area Barcelona are vulnerable is away from home which is where they drop the majority of their points. You take Barce to the Calderon in Madrid on a cold night I guarantee it will not be a thumping.
Also take into account this is a fresh looking Atletico team with alot of new blood being integrated.
I know I say this almost every time someone gets thumped in La Liga but, it's early days and it just shows what everyone already knows Barce are the best team in the world.
As for Madrid, on paper they may have the best individual's in the world but they play as a team of individuals alot of the time and that shows. Relying on set pieces to score alot of your goals could be seen as a positive thing but with Ozil/Kaka/Ronaldo you have to expect more.
Bielsa has been given 10 games from now to 'save his job' as well, they have set a target of 18 points...
El Loco is under pressure no 2 ways about it.
Tips for relegation: Granada, Racing, Sporting.
I think Zaragoza will be down there but they have just enough experience to stay up, just enough. Sporting have no goal scorer and that's their main problem and it would not surprise me if Barcelona activate their £2m buy back on Botia at the end of the season or even in January because he's alot better than Fontas.
Laudrup is on very thin ice at Mallorca, already gone against his directors and criticized them for selling De Guzman. A job in Germany is his eventual destination I would guess by next summer.
Betis have a great team as well they shouldn't be overlooked for Europe, Benat/Montero/Santa Cruz/JP and alot of young players out to prove a point.
This is a Betis team without Emana as well who moved in the summer which makes this start even more impressive.
I don't accept La Liga is a 2 team league, I accept 2 teams have the highest probability of winning the league but in England realistically you're looking at 3 teams in United/City/Chelsea so it's not all that different. The depth of quality in La Liga is greater than the Premier League in my opinion but the overall quality in the Premier League is better, you look at the likes of Guardado/Piatti/Alves/Adrian going down with relegated teams last year and it shows the quality of the league to an extent just as much as the under achievement of those 2 clubs.
Everyone said this about La Liga when the Galactico's and the dream team were dominating. It wont last forever and teams are capable of beating the top 2. Lyon were dominating Ligue 1 early 2000's and everyone said it was a one team league. United and Chelsea have been the only PL winners since 05 so you could argue the winner of the PL has been just as predictable. How is La Liga a joke, revenue/LFP aside? The people who watch the majority of games, from Bilbao to Osasuna, in La Liga generally don't hold the 'boring, boring' view. It's the whole package that makes La Liga exciting from the battle for the title to the battle for 17th.
The longer the money is split like this, the wider the gap, and yes, it will last forever if it keeps this way.
And in any case, its not the whole package that provides 'entertainment', but the other 18 teams, where you can see some competition, and even then, up to an extent.
To be honest if you talk like that then you're not a La Liga fan and I do respect that but if you want entertainment there is nothing better than an Atletico vs Real Madrid derby midweek under the lights.
You need to understand the situation in La Liga before you can grasp it's appeal, I've mentioned so many times when people bring the TV revenue issue up that in my opinion it will not make that big of a difference. Will it help? A little bit yes. But you need to understand the culture of clubs and presidents to see that the extra TV money 90% of it will get siphoned into property investment or local banks. The reality in La Liga is that the average unstructured debt of all the La Liga clubs is around 130m euros per club and that's a conservative estimate. The amount of clubs in voluntary administration is frankly absurd and over 80% of the second division players go without being payed for months on end.
The very fact that La Liga is still competing and the struggling clubs are still producing the youth like Adrian/Michu/Michel/Herrera should be applauded. It wont last forever, it will get worse before it gets better mainly down to FFP being sternly against bankruptcy. Something will give in the next 18 months and the LFP will need to act but right now La Liga is just as entertaining as ever.
The fight for Champions League places is as vicious as ever with Atleti/Valencia/Villareal/Sevilla/Bilbao all with the chance of getting in there, that's the most exciting pack in La Liga. You then have new, fresh, sides like Betis/Granada/Rayo bringing a new style of football to the league with energy and pace.
People who's interest in La Liga ends at watching the odd 5-0 thumping by a Madrid/Barce really don't get a look at the whole La Liga package.
Madrid got beaten by Levante and Barce held by Sociedad with Real Betis topping the table, the argument of a 2 club league has never looked so weak.
The gap between 2nd and 3rd last season was actually smaller than the previous season, you don't just watch football because of the title you watch football for the whole thing from relegation/fight for 4th/title/mid table consolidation. If you just watched football because you're only interest was in title teams you would only watch City/United/Chelsea in the BPL and ignore the rest.
Serie A is just as exciting as La Liga as well with the re emergence of Juve and the rebuild's at Roma/Inter. Neither of these leagues is a dull or predictable league, those stereotypes went out of the window with the Peseta and the Lira.
You need to understand the situation in La Liga before you can grasp it's appeal, I've mentioned so many times when people bring the TV revenue issue up that in my opinion it will not make that big of a difference. Will it help? A little bit yes. But you need to understand the culture of clubs and presidents to see that the extra TV money 90% of it will get siphoned into property investment or local banks. The reality in La Liga is that the average unstructured debt of all the La Liga clubs is around 130m euros per club and that's a conservative estimate. The amount of clubs in voluntary administration is frankly absurd and over 80% of the second division players go without being payed for months on end.
The very fact that La Liga is still competing and the struggling clubs are still producing the youth like Adrian/Michu/Michel/Herrera should be applauded. It wont last forever, it will get worse before it gets better mainly down to FFP being sternly against bankruptcy. Something will give in the next 18 months and the LFP will need to act but right now La Liga is just as entertaining as ever.
The fight for Champions League places is as vicious as ever with Atleti/Valencia/Villareal/Sevilla/Bilbao all with the chance of getting in there, that's the most exciting pack in La Liga. You then have new, fresh, sides like Betis/Granada/Rayo bringing a new style of football to the league with energy and pace.
People who's interest in La Liga ends at watching the odd 5-0 thumping by a Madrid/Barce really don't get a look at the whole La Liga package.
Madrid got beaten by Levante and Barce held by Sociedad with Real Betis topping the table, the argument of a 2 club league has never looked so weak.
The gap between 2nd and 3rd last season was actually smaller than the previous season, you don't just watch football because of the title you watch football for the whole thing from relegation/fight for 4th/title/mid table consolidation. If you just watched football because you're only interest was in title teams you would only watch City/United/Chelsea in the BPL and ignore the rest.
Serie A is just as exciting as La Liga as well with the re emergence of Juve and the rebuild's at Roma/Inter. Neither of these leagues is a dull or predictable league, those stereotypes went out of the window with the Peseta and the Lira.
Madrid beat a skint Rayo side 6-2 at home and Barce beat a badly set up Atleti side still gelling 5-0 at home.
You expected Madrid and Barce to win those games at home so I don't see the problem or the point, Rayo go to Real knowing they're going to lose but they gave it a go and Manzano got his set up completely wrong at Barcelona. Perspective needs to be put on the 2 results, when Barce go to the Calderon next year it will be a different story entirely.
If you want to judge La Liga on current form then Betis are going to run away with it and Bilbao are going to get relegated, it's early days.
You expected Madrid and Barce to win those games at home so I don't see the problem or the point, Rayo go to Real knowing they're going to lose but they gave it a go and Manzano got his set up completely wrong at Barcelona. Perspective needs to be put on the 2 results, when Barce go to the Calderon next year it will be a different story entirely.
If you want to judge La Liga on current form then Betis are going to run away with it and Bilbao are going to get relegated, it's early days.